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The instituion of marriage originated in Heaven, not in the goverment. But,Government only recongnizes it, Therefore the government can't change the definition.

Oh my FUCKING God Ummmmm...nellie, I reallllllllly hope you're hot as hell to make up for your lack of common sense, amongst other things...

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Originally posted by Epicurus Oh my FUCKING God Ummmmm...nellie, I reallllllllly hope you're hot as hell to make up for your lack of common sense, amongst other things...

I don't have a lack of common sense. So,you might want to back up your accusations.

Further more, in that article. Where does it say anything about sexual preference? It doesn't.

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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 I don't have a lack of common sense. So,you might want to back up your accusations. Further more, in that article. Where does it say anything about sexual preference? It doesn't.

It's backed up by this thread

and this one

also this one

oh not to mention this one

and here

this one too

Seriously, I think it's time for a pic... we need to know if this is worth it.

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I don't have a lack of common sense. So,you might want to back up your accusations.

Ya ok...I'll just let you keep on talking...that's MORE than enough proof

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Further more, in that article. Where does it say anything about sexual preference? It doesn't.

Ya I know, and that's what I said here in my previous post:

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It does not explicitly say without any limitation to sexual orientation. Thus, this article can be interpreted as NOT giving positive rights of marriage to people on grounds of sexual orientation, and used to discriminate against them.

Thus, my comment (about common sense) COULDN'T have been made regarding the abscence (or not) of sexual orientation, since I also mentioned that (as seen above by my quote), and MUST have referred to something else Try telling people that marriages originated in heaven, and see what happens

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Originally posted by DigiNut It's backed up by this thread and this one also this one oh not to mention this one and here this one too Seriously, I think it's time for a pic... we need to know if this is worth it.

Those links still don't prove it. You may think so,but they don't.

Picture of what?

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Picture of what?

We want to know whether you're FREAKIN' hot or not, and I emphasize FREAKIN', to know whether putting up with your "marriages originated in heaven" comments are worth it

I would post one, but it wouldn't load. Because, I use geocities,and it's a pain in the butt sometimes. That,and I'm sure you'd have something to say to my picture, and I'm sure it won't be very nice.

But,the fact of the matter is,if you disagree with what I believe, Go ahead. I don't deny you of that,that's your opinion.
Just don't make accusations.

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That,and I'm sure you'd have something to say to my picture, and I'm sure it won't be very nice.

Really, how sure are you but seriously, your looks are your looks, and I wouldn't comment about that

BUT, regarding other matters:

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Just don't make accusations.

I know the truth hurts ...but, worry not, I'm sure God will punish me by banishing me to hell where I shall fry for a lifetime

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Originally posted by Epicurus Oh my FUCKING God Ummmmm...nellie, I reallllllllly hope you're hot as hell to make up for your lack of common sense, amongst other things...

I agree. She better be hot.

if some guy fell in "love" with his dog, should he be allowed to legally marry it?

to me, allowing homosexual marriage is a disgrace to marriage.

if the homos want it for legal purposes, atleast call it something else and dont try to get married in my church

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if some guy fell in "love" with his dog, should he be allowed to legally marry it?

I love it when people make these EXTREMELY misguided and completely off-base analogies and then think they've made their point
You do realize you're comparing another human being to a dog right?

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Originally posted by rainbow_marble if some guy fell in "love" with his dog, should he be allowed to legally marry it? to me, allowing homosexual marriage is a disgrace to marriage. if the homos want it for legal purposes, atleast call it something else and dont try to get married in my church

Homosexuality is between two consenting adults from the same species. Its sad how you compare it to beastiality.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Homosexuality is between two consenting adults from the same species. Its sad how you compare it to beastiality.

So is incest.

But the question still remains:

WhoaNellie1487:
R U HOT?!??!11lolhi2u??

Oh and PICS OR STFU!

(Sorry, I just had to)

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Originally posted by DigiNut So is incest. But the question still remains: WhoaNellie1487: R U HOT?!??!11lolhi2u?? Oh and PICS OR STFU! (Sorry, I just had to)

I think incest is disgusting, becuase society and my family has condititioned me to think this way. But even if two adults were consenting (being brother and sister) its okay with me as long as they arent hurting each other.

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So is incest.

Ya, and who said it should be banned

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But the question still remains: WhoaNellie1487: R U HOT?!??!11lolhi2u?? Oh and PICS OR STFU! (Sorry, I just had to)

Let's just all decree that Nellie is hot and believe it on faith.

Well if you guys don't have a problem with things like incest, polygamy, etc., then I guess there's not much I can argue with you about. I think it sort of defeats the purpose but that's just my opinion, and as long as you're logically consistent then I'll respect that.

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Originally posted by Epicurus Let's just all decree that Nellie is hot and believe it on faith.

My faith is not strong enough, please forgive me... I must see living proof of Nellie otherwise I might resort to making craven images!

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Well if you guys don't have a problem with things like incest, polygamy, etc., then I guess there's not much I can argue with you about. I think it sort of defeats the purpose but that's just my opinion, and as long as you're logically consistent then I'll respect that.

We never said we don't have a problem with it (in fact Cyrus explicitly stated that he thought it was disgusting)...i do too...HOWEVER, that does not give me the right to believe that it should be banned (by government) if it is being performed by two consenting adults who are not hurting anyone (within reasonable assumptions) in the process.

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My faith is not strong enough, please forgive me... I must see living proof of Nellie otherwise I might resort to making craven images!

But Digi, if you believe, then it shall be

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Originally posted by Epicurus We never said we don't have a problem with it (in fact Cyrus explicitly stated that he thought it was disgusting)...i do too...HOWEVER, that does not give me the right to believe that it should be banned (by government) if it is being performed by two consenting adults who are not hurting anyone (within reasonable assumptions) in the process.

That's what I meant.

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But Digi, if you believe, then it shall be

I cannot... please, Nellie, you must give me a sign! My faith in your hotness has been shaken and I don't know what to believe anymore

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I cannot... please, Nellie, you must give me a sign! My faith in your hotness has been shaken and I don't know what to believe anymore

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Originally posted by DigiNut Well if you guys don't have a problem with things like incest, polygamy, etc., then I guess there's not much I can argue with you about. I think it sort of defeats the purpose but that's just my opinion, and as long as you're logically consistent then I'll respect that.

Ah good, finally another chance to finish our argument.

I've actually decided that whilst incest may personally disgust me, as long as there are no children produced (due to deformities and so on), then there really isn't anything wrong with it.

I don't have an issue with polygamy, and as far as I'm concerned it's idiotic to have laws that either ban or don't accommodate it in the first place. Again, my views on the state getting out of marriage aside, since marriage's primary focus currently isn't on bringing up a family, why deny gays the ability (or as some would say, the right) to marry?

To play the devils advocate though, one could argue that polygamous marriage and incest have elements of choice involved, as homosexuality seem to be genetic and/or biological. I don't subscribe to that argument, but I have seen it used to say that homosexual marriage should be allowed, whilst polygamy should not.

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Originally posted by Tranceporter99 im all for CIVIL UNIONs, but dont call it Marriage. Marriage is a completly diffrent institution.

Care to elaborate on that?

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Originally posted by PhloTron The article states clearly "to found a family"...which easiliy implies that this is for child bearing purposes which is done between a man and a woman. In 1948, marriage was between men and women...and last time I checked a guy porking another guy...doesn't create kids...and thus, not a family.

Right, running with that logic, infertile couples, people with no intention of having children, or older people should be denied the right to marry? Are you asserting that marriage is there to bring up a family and that alone? If you are, then you're really redefining marriage as we know it, as many people seem to view it as a commitment to someone they love. What about couples who have a family outside of marriage? Should we deny people the right to do that?

You're also dead wrong when you claim that gays can't have a family. Many gay couples can, and do have kids. IVF, surrogate mothers and/or fathers, adoption, fostering and so on. I personally know a gay couple bringing up kids. It happens. So, since you seem to be putting forward the view that marriage is there to assist couples bring up a family, why deny it to gays who have, or plan to have a family?

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If the issue is over government benefits then civil unions should get those same benefits as "married" couples. Marriage is a religious privilege...one in which my beliefs are for a man and a woman to participate in.

That's also blatantly untrue. You seem to be confusing religious marriage with civil marriage. Religious institutions are perfectly able to deny gays the 'right' to marriage. Nobody is disputing that. What we are disputing, however, is the government denying gays the right to marriage. Religious institutions can do whatever the hell they like.

Here's a teaser for you. As an atheist, should I be denied the right to marriage, even though I plan to have a family in the future? Am I somehow unfit to get married because I don't hold any religious beliefs? If so, then I suggest you go and tear up the US constitution and the bill of rights. Hey, why should those non-Christians have any rights? This is a theocracy!

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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 The instituion of marriage originated in Heaven, not in the goverment. But,Government only recongnizes it, Therefore the government can't change the definition.

Right. So non-Christians shouldn't be allowed to marry then. The US is a theocracy after all! Read your own constitution and/or bill of rights before putting your foot in it like that.

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Originally posted by rainbow_marble if some guy fell in "love" with his dog, should he be allowed to legally marry it?

Is a dog a human being? Can a dog linguistically communicate? Can a dog bear children? Can a dog consent to marriage? Hell, can a dog do anything remotely 'human like'?

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to me, allowing homosexual marriage is a disgrace to marriage.

Fair enough, that's your prerogative. Still, the question remains. Why deny it to others who don't share your views?

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if the homos want it for legal purposes, atleast call it something else and dont try to get married in my church

Why call it something else? If it's the exact same thing, what's the point?

Again, the church thing is fine, as we're discussing civil marriage and not religious marriage. Believe it or not, there is a difference.

ayoye...!!!
voir quil y a du monde qui veulent que les crooken tapss se marient?
2 gars? voir...
2 filles? voir...
ca se peut pas...

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Originally posted by Bronze ayoye...!!! voir quil y a du monde qui veulent que les crooken tapss se marient? 2 gars? voir... 2 filles? voir... ca se peut pas...

What the hell?

i just want to say that i don't want homosexual

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Originally posted by Bronze i just want to say that i don't want homosexual

Then say it in English for heaven's sake. And why exactly don't 'you want homosexual', whatever that means.

parce que c'est des crooken tapss
you know comme un gros coyo

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