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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen hahaha, dude, you just admited to being a fucking idiot, everyone knows that, every single news source you just quoted is highly liberal. Not sure about your local news though, but judging from how stupid you and your countrymen are I bet that they are liberal also. CNN, BBC, Guardian, and NPR are all regarded as extremely libral biased news here. I can't even argue with someone with such little exposure to history, polyscience, and media.

Are you saying if a liberal came up to you and said that smoking is bad for you, you would not believe it?

What a loser Fuzzy green is.. the moron realized how stupid his posts were (which reflects the amountof brain cells he actually has) and then edited them

Fuzzy... your american ass can get angry all it wants.. but those Iraqi's dont give a shite... they will kill your soldiers who are occupying their nation until they win. If you want to do something about it... go there and protect their sorry asses.

By the way Fuzzzy.. breaking News: about a dozen marines beleived dead in Iraq during an insurgency.

What a nice place Iraq is becoming. Thank those "liberators"

HAHAHHAHAHHAHA

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen Sorry all you liberal media brainwashed europeans, but your logic is all messed up, how can a MILITARY F16 dropping bombs trying to defend a people by striking enemy leadership be equated to a bunch of thugs that send childern and retards in to poor Jewish neighborhoods and busses to blow up innocent civilians? I don't see Jewish people dragging burned Palestinian bodies through the streets and hanging them from bridges. I don't see chrisitans doing that either. How many Americans have flown airplanes into your Islamic skyscrapers? I hope that we get America out of Iraq, we need to first get revenge against those that killed Americans, then leave and let the Iraqis kill themselves just like they always have.

While I see what your point might be, I believe that your logic is too simple. America should have never been in Iraq if the weapons that posed a threat to our nation (or its interest) was not conclusively there, as for the Israeli-Palestinian-Middle East equation, that is a repetitive circle in which both sides feel they are right and the other is wrong. Land, Land, Land sums up that conflict and until both sides are willing to give up a lot to get back something the conflict will carry on with bloodshed. There is no trust, respect or hope for peace left on the part of either side so the future is bleak.

P.S. 12 American soldiers were just reported killed in Iraqi fighting as I type this paragraph. Dead for what might I ask certainly not WMDs.

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Originally posted by NYCTrancefan While I see what your point might be, I believe that your logic is too simple. America should have never been in Iraq if the weapons that posed a threat to our nation (or its interest) was not conclusively there, as for the Israeli-Palestinian-Middle East equation, that is a repetitive circle in which both sides feel they are right and the other is wrong. Land, Land, Land sums up that conflict and until both sides are willing to give up a lot to get back something the conflict will carry on with bloodshed. There is no trust, respect or hope for peace left on the part of either side so the future is bleak. P.S. 12 American soldiers were just reported killed in Iraqi fighting as I type this paragraph. Dead for what might I ask certainly not WMDs.

Well, I've changed my position on Iraq, I think America should get the hell out of there, I think the Bush administration was wrong in thinking that they could liberate a people that are not capable of liberation or freedom. I'm tired of wasting my hard earned tax money on those stupid people, I'm tired of it going to their education, healthcare, and police forces. I would rather cut off all aid and pull the army out. Let them sort out their own country.

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen Well, I've changed my position on Iraq, I think America should get the hell out of there, I think the Bush administration was wrong in thinking that they could liberate a people that are not capable of liberation or freedom. I'm tired of wasting my hard earned tax money on those stupid people, I'm tired of it going to their education, healthcare, and police forces. I would rather cut off all aid and pull the army out. Let them sort out their own country.

Sadly this current president has gone down the road of no return. While our Social Security and Medicare systems cannot be properly provided for in the near future, millions upon millions of dollars are being spent in a place where no American is welcomed. All of a sudden U.S. troops are dying for Iraqi freedom, would you I know I wouldn't. I am disgusted and sickened to here this war still being defended by the current administration. Regrettably, George Bush's ticket out of office will be written in the blood of U.S. troops. Mark my words.

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Originally posted by occrider Is it just me or has post quality been dipping as of late? I swear, the back and forth rhetoric everywhere is exhausting ... makes me want to play xbox. There should be rules or something whereby you have to at least post a source or analyze something, anything ... I don't care, give me good arguments for why your shoes have comfort and style. Or maybe even incorporate some humor in the rhetoric so there's at least some entertainment value. It's starting to feel like one giant chatroom.

I wholeheartedly agree. I will analyze one thing, and then continue on once I finish a few things.

I, for one, am sick and tired of everyone basing the legitimacy of arguments on where you happen to be living at the time. Granted, Most countries view Americans as stupid, (and not that I'm defending them) but we have quite a few posters here who live in America that have seriously quality posts. One prime example would be OccRider. Also, do not classify how an individual thinks based on their fippin' flag. Many people here are morons, and happen to be posting pathetic attempts at an argument. Doesn't mean you should attack their heritage or where they might be living as of late. Ffs, grow up and use a better insult if you're attempting to flame.

One more thing. If you don't stop posting in another language, I will be forced to cuss you all out in Polish. This is obviously a forum where the majority of the posters speak in English. Keep it to that, or force yourself to read multitudnous amounts of Polish.

That is all.

On the actual thread, I will comment when I have more time.

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Originally posted by anuneventrade I wholeheartedly agree. I will analyze one thing, and then continue on once I finish a few things. I, for one, am sick and tired of everyone basing the legitimacy of arguments on where you happen to be living at the time. Granted, Most countries view Americans as stupid, (and not that I'm defending them) but we have quite a few posters here who live in America that have seriously quality posts. One prime example would be OccRider. Also, do not classify how an individual thinks based on their fippin' flag. Many people here are morons, and happen to be posting pathetic attempts at an argument. Doesn't mean you should attack their heritage or where they might be living as of late. Ffs, grow up and use a better insult if you're attempting to flame. One more thing. If you don't stop posting in another language, I will be forced to cuss you all out in Polish. This is obviously a forum where the majority of the posters speak in English. Keep it to that, or force yourself to read multitudnous amounts of Polish. That is all. On the actual thread, I will comment when I have more time.

Agreed indeed. If someone is a moron they're a moron plain and simple, not because you are American, Canadian, Swedish, German, British, etc. Some people have flags of a nation they were born in but don't even live in anymore. Why people resort to attacking an individual's heritage is above and beyond me. Once the threads start throwing around insults I usually ignore it because it's been hijacked, that's if it was good to begin with in the first place.

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One more thing. If you don't stop posting in another language, I will be forced to cuss you all out in Polish. This is obviously a forum where the majority of the posters speak in English. Keep it to that, or force yourself to read multitudnous amounts of Polish.

If you don't understand the language in a few posts, skip them Don't worry, they probably don't involve you

Furthermore, your threats are quite innocuous because you've already posted in a different language:

People speaking in Polish, including anuneventrade

Ohhhh the hypocrisy

Finally, I'll pull an uneventrade maneuver and post later about the actual topic at hand. Thank you that is all

Well posting in different langauges on a English only webboard is rude.

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Well posting in different langauges on a English only webboard is rude.

I don't mean to hijack the thread, but where EXACTLY does it say that this forum is English ONLY

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Originally posted by Epicurus If you don't understand the language in a few posts, skip them Don't worry, they probably don't involve you Furthermore, your threats are quite innocuous because you've already posted in a different language: People speaking in Polish, including anuneventrade Ohhhh the hypocrisy Finally, I'll pull an uneventrade maneuver and post later about the actual topic at hand. Thank you that is all

Excuse me, I would like you to point out at which point I was hypocritical? I posted in Polish in a Polish thread. We don't have a Polish FORUM, so we have a thread. I was talking about a debate in a forum which is blatantly filled with individuals who speak in English. Considering I was posting in a thread specifically designed for Polish readers/speakers, I fail to see any hypocrisy. I am not posting in a debate in another language so certain people won't understand what I am typing, am I? Because that seems to be the trend between certain people lately.

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Originally posted by Epicurus I don't mean to hijack the thread, but where EXACTLY does it say that this forum is English ONLY

I can't remember where exactly, but a few years ago one of the mods said that it was an English only site.

Ahhhhh...I see...so then if I make a THREAD in this forum and made sure to explicitly say

DIFFERENT LANGUAGE THAN ENGLISH (French for instance): BEWARE

so that some people who can't speak english very well can participate in political debate, you woulnd't have an issue with it
And if you don't have an issue with that because you can then skip the thread, what then is the difference since you can actually skip the few posts that are in a different language but that aren't in a specifically non-english thread

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I can't remember where exactly, but a few years ago one of the mods said that it was an English only site.

Really Well, I don't remember when either but I talked to a mod who said that it wasn't

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Originally posted by anuneventrade [font=comic sans ms]One more thing. If you don't stop posting in another language, I will be forced to cuss you all out in Polish.

I am eagerly awaiting this one! Sounds hilarious!

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Originally posted by Epicurus Ahhhhh...I see...so then if I make a THREAD in this forum and made sure to explicitly say DIFFERENT LANGUAGE THAN ENGLISH (French for instance): BEWARE so that some people who can't speak english very well can participate in political debate, you woulnd't have an issue with it And if you don't have an issue with that because you can then skip the thread, what then is the difference since you can actually skip the few posts that are in a different language but that aren't in a specifically non-english thread

You've been posting in this forum for like what, two weeks? And you already think you're hot shit enough to dictate what language a specific thread should be in? I've got news for you. The person that made this website, SPEAKS ONLY ENGLISH. Sub-forums were CREATED for people who would like to speak another language out of CURTESY. NOTICE, how at least 90% of this website, is in ENGLISH.

This entire subforum was created for the purposes of debates. In speaking another language, you are forcing certain people to not participate in the debate and make yourself look arrogant. What's so important that you couldn't say in English?

Speaking in another language clearly knowing the fact that the majority of individuals who roam in the forum won't understand it, is pathetic. What, you want to show off your skills at speaking another language? Once again, NEWSFLAH- most of us can speak more than one language. However, it would defeat the purpose of a debate if no one could understand each other.

Stop trying to look like a badass, because it's not working. You're arrogant comments are percieved as just that, arrogant, if not also ignorant. Grow up a little. We aren't 12. "I can speak another language, na na na na na na!" So can I. Get over it.

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You've been posting in this forum for like what, two weeks?

I've been posting in this forum for nearly two months thank you very much

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Sub-forums were CREATED for people who would like to speak another language out of CURTESY.

Good, so can't a THREAD be created, out of COURTESY, for people who can't speak english very well. I'm not even asking for a sub-forum

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Speaking in another language clearly knowing the fact that the majority of individuals who roam in the forum won't understand it, is pathetic. What, you want to show off your skills at speaking another language? Once again, NEWSFLAH- most of us can speak more than one language.

I don't doubt the fact that many people can speak more than one language but it is YOU who misses the point These people are speaking in a different language BECAUSE they can't speak ENGLISH VERY WELL (See Bronze for instance)...they neither want to show off their skills nor care whether you think they're badasses or hot shit...they simply express their views in the language they best communicate in because their english is not that good and then hope that someone will understand them and answer them...THUS, I hardly think that's something to berrate them about...granted, I have used French in two or three posts to respond to Bronze's post in one thread, but believe me, that neither interrupted the flow of the debate nor took away from anyone's enjoyment from the discussion since we weren't discussing anything of any depth! Furthermore, I only used french as opposed to english for the sake of COURTESY (i.e. returning the favour), not to show off my language skills as you claim (completely erroneously may I add). But I promise you, if indeed the urge to show off my language skills does come, I will make sure to warn you before with CAPITAL LETTERS since you are obviously incapable of telling

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Stop trying to look like a badass, because it's not working. You're arrogant comments are percieved as just that, arrogant, if not also ignorant. Grow up a little. We aren't 12. "I can speak another language, na na na na na na!" So can I. Get over it.

I am neither trying to look like a badass nor anything else for that matter. If that's your perception of me, I really don't give a rat's ass, as your opinion is completety inconsequential to me I only responded to your thread initially because this is the second time (the Nellie thing was the first) you feel the need/urge to tell people how to act, what to do and what no to do, on grounds that, objectively, are simply not there. Finally, I assure you that there are enough posters here that feel my comments and contribution in general to this forum are anything BUT ignorant, so again, you can keep those specific opinions to yourself, or stuff them where the sun don't shine If that makes me 12 in your mind, then imagine how old that makes you in my mind. And if that makes me arrogant, then so be it. I wouldn't talk if I were you

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Originally posted by Epicurus I've been posting in this forum for nearly two months thank you very much

Have a cookie.

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Good, so can't a THREAD be created, out of COURTESY, for people who can't speak english very well. I'm not even asking for a sub-forum

Indeed,a thread CAN be created out of courtesy to other individuals that cannot speak English that well, but it would be wise to at least give a heads up that this person can't speak English. Tell me though, if their English isn't too great, how do they understand the thread?

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I don't doubt the fact that many people can speak more than one language but it is YOU who misses the point These people are speaking in a different language BECAUSE they can't speak ENGLISH VERY WELL

Once again, but they can somehow understand an entire thread, but cannot respond a sentence in English?

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(See Bronze for instance)...they neither want to show off their skills nor care whether you think they're badasses or hot shit...they simply express their views in the language they best communicate in because their english is not that good and then hope that someone will understand them and answer them...

Third time, but somehow even though their English is a failure, but they can understand the complexity of each thread in this forum?

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THUS, I hardly think that's something to berrate them about...granted, I have used French in two or three posts to respond to Bronze's post in one thread, but believe me, that neither interrupted the flow of the debate nor took away from anyone's enjoyment from the discussion since we weren't discussing anything of any depth!

Interesting, because I wasn't the only one to complain. Perhaps you should go back and read other posts.

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Furthermore, I only used french as opposed to english for the sake of COURTESY (i.e. returning the favour), not to show off my language skills as you claim (completely erroneously may I add). But I promise you, if indeed the urge to show off my language skills does come, I will make sure to warn you before with CAPITAL LETTERS since you are obviously incapable of telling

Actually no. Perhaps you cannot read a single word of what I said, or perhaps you are simply ignoring it. I was discussing the problem at hand having been that this general discussion is given in English, and if someone responds in another language, and no one is willing to translate, then all purposes of this debate have ultimately failed, because then it becomes a simple conversation between two people.

I'm not hounding on an individual for speaking in another language if they cannot speak in English, but like I said (this will be the fourth time now) I find it quite difficult to believe that someone can read the entirety of a thread and not be able to respond. I think you're underestimating his ability.

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I am neither trying to look like a badass nor anything else for that matter. If that's your perception of me, I really don't give a rat's ass, as your opinion is completety inconsequential to me

I love how you repeatedly respond to one sentence that I stated. Find something else to repeat.

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I only responded to your thread initially because this is the second time (the Nellie thing was the first)

Actually, I don't think I ever told Nellie how to act or what to do. And if I did, Excuse me for my forgetfulness. Actually, take a look, I think many more people than just me disagreed with Nellie's statements. And in fact, I do believe I was debating with her on an actual subject, not telling her what to do. I think my extent may have been to not use the bible as a source. Once again, why don't you take a look at how many people debated against Nellie before you accuse me of trying to tell someone what to do.

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you feel the need/urge to tell people how to act, what to do and what no to do, on grounds that, objectively, are simply not there.

Actually, it is your fault you mistook my post. I merely said that it was unfair to people who did not understand the language for someone to be posting in a different language to a primarily English based debate. And if you think that's telling someone what to do, what are you doing in this forum? Are you going to tell me that telling someone to use legitimate sources is also a method of telling people how to act/what to do? This is how the forum works, get used to it.

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Finally, I assure you that there are enough posters here that feel my comments and contribution in general to this forum are anything BUT ignorant,

I pointed out a specific post. Not your entire history of posting. Please read correctly next time.

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so again, you can keep those specific opinions to yourself, or stuff them where the sun don't shine

Read above comment.

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If that makes me 12 in your mind, then imagine how old that makes you in my mind.

Once agian, you mistook my post, and I comment on your post which was commenting on mine. Perhaps you should realize, that not everyone is going to agree in a debate.

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And if that makes me arrogant, then so be it. I wouldn't talk if I were you

Oh wait, you're telling me what to do!!!! Hypocrite!!!!


See how easy it is to misuse that word? Perhaps you should check the context of the statement you are commenting on before using words such as "hypocrite", because your usage of it was ridiculous and pointless.

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Originally posted by Epicurus I've been posting in this forum for nearly two months thank you very much

Hehehe you tell her

By the way or is it me but isn't this whole posting in other languages thing just such a non-topic? Who cares? If you can read it fine, if you can't....... you can't.

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Originally posted by Dervish Hehehe you tell her By the way or is it me but isn't this whole posting in other languages thing just such a non-topic? Who cares? If you can read it fine, if you can't....... you can't.

Actually, my first post, that started this whole argument, was made in a joking manner... hence my comment "I will be forced to cuss you all out in Polish". It really didn't bother me that much. *shrugs* Can't help it if people take things out of context. Ask anyone, I've never been one to back down from an argument.

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Originally posted by anuneventrade I've never been one to back down from an argument. [/font]

And thats the way it should be! "Never back down, never surrender." How can people fully expore a point fully without arguing? Thats my way of thinking.

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Originally posted by Dervish And thats the way it should be! "Never back down, never surrender." How can people fully expore a point fully without arguing? Thats my way of thinking.

as long as that argueing is on topic and not directed at a personal level

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Indeed,a thread CAN be created out of courtesy to other individuals that cannot speak English that well, but it would be wise to at least give a heads up that this person can't speak English. Tell me though, if their English isn't too great, how do they understand the thread?

Are you actually being serious Wow. You can understand a thread, understand what people are saying more or less or the ideas they are trying to convey when you READ their posts and STILL not be able to EXPRESS YOURSELF in words if you don't master the language very well.
Let me give you a concrete example to highlight my point: Exhibit A: bronze's post:

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ok...I just wan't to say that i'm not agains United States...( like 99% in Quebec...people in Quebec don't understand) In quebec people just think about themselve... Me I think that this war was essential, saddam must leave. Not for Massive destruction weapon, but for the influence he had. All the extremist musulman chief have to leave or they will be kill...extremist are the problems...we have to kill them = No more terrorism act in north america... sorry for my pooorr english...hehehehe

We were talking about the war in Iraq in this thread. So you see, he obviously understood the post and tried very hard to express himself in english (he was speaking french before). Note that he doesn't speak english very well...He admits it himself So give the guy a break, because sometimes he feels like expressing his opinion in a slightly more eloquent way and can't do so because of his english. That was MY point since the beginning, a point you hopefully don't misconstrue.

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I love how you repeatedly respond to one sentence that I stated. Find something else to repeat.

I love how you contradict yourself You only used the "How can he not express himself in english very well if he can read the post" argument FOUR times, an argument that furthermore, holds no water as shown above

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Interesting, because I wasn't the only one to complain. Perhaps you should go back and read other posts.

Alright, so I did, and NONE of the posters took this issue as seriously as you. There were many light-hearted barbs at the french and the french language, but all in good humour.

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Actually, I don't think I ever told Nellie how to act or what to do. And if I did, Excuse me for my forgetfulness. Actually, take a look, I think many more people than just me disagreed with Nellie's statements. And in fact, I do believe I was debating with her on an actual subject, not telling her what to do. I think my extent may have been to not use the bible as a source. Once again, why don't you take a look at how many people debated against Nellie before you accuse me of trying to tell someone what to do.

Ummmmmm....that's not what I was talking about THIS is what I was talking about :

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Okay guys, how about we keep the hormones to a level and continue on topic? I DO believe that's why the political forum was made, so there could be serious discussions without the influx of idiocy (aka PICS OR STFU etc etc). You're not making any considerable contributions to the thread by harassing WoahNellie for her pictures. That is what PMs are for.

Of course, if Nellie actually did feel harrassed, then you would have had a point. Of course, you don't, because Nellie didn't feel harrassed and actually posted the pics at the end voluntarily

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Actually no. Perhaps you cannot read a single word of what I said, or perhaps you are simply ignoring it. I was discussing the problem at hand having been that this general discussion is given in English, and if someone responds in another language, and no one is willing to translate, then all purposes of this debate have ultimately failed, because then it becomes a simple conversation between two people.

Actually I can read very well thank you very much I was simply responding, in that specific paragraph that you quoted, to your COMPLETELY unfounded accusations that I (or others) was (were) speaking french to show off our language skills. I have the right to defend myself don't I, especially against accusations that frankly, are uncorroborated and make you sound rather stupid. I told you why already, so maybe you should re-read my reason.

Now as to your gripes about not being able to follow the debate because it's in a different language and that it degenerates into a conversation between two people, who said that the debate could still NOT be going on WITH two people talking between themselves. There are usually more than two people debating, so I hardly think that two people who start talking to each other within the context of a debate is consequential, and HARDLY makes the debate a failure Furthermore, that happens in most threads anyway (i.e two people within the context of a debate talking to each other), so I don't really think your point is valid, unless, of course, you raise hell against them also

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And if you think that's telling someone what to do, what are you doing in this forum? Are you going to tell me that telling someone to use legitimate sources is also a method of telling people how to act/what to do?

You do of course have objective grounds to tell someone to post his sources (reason is self-evident). However, I said you had no OBJECTIVE GROUNDS to tell someone what to do in THIS specific case, because of the reasons that I've presented. So your analogy does not hold, sorry. Check your logic

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I pointed out a specific post. Not your entire history of posting. Please read correctly next time.

Your first valid point

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See how easy it is to misuse that word? Perhaps you should check the context of the statement you are commenting on before using words such as "hypocrite", because your usage of it was ridiculous and pointless.

Ahhhhhh...and so we come to the real issue I agree that I might have used the word inappropriately, in retrospect, and if I offended you, then I present my apologies. I still, and however, don't think your point is really valid (for reasons presented above) and hopefully you can see why.

So in conclusion, just remember the magical words: SKIP IT!!!!!

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Hehehe you tell her By the way or is it me but isn't this whole posting in other languages thing just such a non-topic? Who cares? If you can read it fine, if you can't....... you can't.

No way Dervish. We need to understand EVERY single post!!!! Very important issues that could affect world peace are being discussed here

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