Japanese and Koreans kidnapped in Iraq.

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Posted by rizo on Apr-09-2004 23:51:

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Originally posted by Cyrus King
Next stop should be jeruselem to evict that wat criminal Sharon
haha good luck

Posted by Q5echo on Apr-10-2004 00:20:

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Originally posted by Cyrus King
Saddam?

IF thats the case... then you should also advocate removing other dictatorhips through invasion.

I'd go to the UN first and ask for help.
If that didn't work, I'd give him 48hrs. to disarm and get a few of my best buds to help me out.

Posted by Yoepus on Apr-10-2004 02:23:

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Originally posted by Cyrus King
IF thats the case... then you should also advocate removing other dictatorhips through invasion.

But I do

Posted by DigiNut on Apr-10-2004 02:46:

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Originally posted by Cyrus King
Next stop should be jeruselem to evict that war criminal Sharon

Who?

Seriously, last time I checked this was a thread about Iraq. I don't think the 3rd-grade "if you give one to him, you have to give one to the whole class" one-liner is actually a valid point of discussion here.

Posted by Rostros on Apr-10-2004 10:54:

I saw this on the news a few days ago, yeah i guess pissing of Japan and Korea is not a wise thing to do, maybe the iraq's are trying to create a war between America and Japan, it could happen like it happend at Pearl Harbour,

Posted by NYCTrancefan on Apr-10-2004 13:07:

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Originally posted by Rostros
I saw this on the news a few days ago, yeah i guess pissing of Japan and Korea is not a wise thing to do, maybe the iraq's are trying to create a war between America and Japan, it could happen like it happend at Pearl Harbour,

The kidnappers are just plain savage cowards, nothing more. The reason I say this is that if they are such freedom fighters why don't they stick to fighting U.S. and coalition troops instead of kidnapping civilians who are so scary with providing food aid to Iraqis who need it or are journalists. Anyone who is not disgusted by these actions would be just as pathetic as those who could offer any defence for the deaths of innocent Iraqis as well.

Maybe some people just have different moral standards in societies around the world, too bad we don't remember that we are all human beings. I wished the U.S had never touched Iraq in the first place because they had the ultimate stability before, a coldblooded dictator in Saddam Hussein and his sons, which is what they deserved. The U.S. will learn a valuable lesson let people live the way they want to in their societies, never again should the U.S. fight on such shameful grounds, never again

Posted by Spankster on Apr-10-2004 15:49:

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Originally posted by NYCTrancefan
what brave warriors these individuals behind the kidnappings must be, more like morons. How hard is it to kidnap journalists, one of whom was a peace activist, along with an aid worker and put knives and swords to their throats while shouting allah-akbar. These people are the least common denominator of Iraqi society. Whether the U.S. is there now or not aid workers would be there trying to help the Iraqis who need it. I hope they have the guts to let these people go seeing that Japanese troops aren't even there in Iraq to fight them in the first place but to reconstruct parts of the nation. Shame on these cowards, go fight the U.S. troops directly they have guns.

The US has guns as well...........maybe they should fight like REAL BRAVE WARRIORS and give up their use of tomahawk missiles, ah-64 apache gunships, f-16 fighter/bombers(and any other aircraft), and m1 abrahms MBT's and see how they fair in street to street small arms combat against the militia's in fallujah and what not.
While i dont disagree with ur view that taking civilians as hostages is cowardice i couldnt help but laugh at ur final statement given amerikkka's indiscriminant use of heavy weapons which just so happens to take the lives of innocent civilians as well as enemy combatants.

Posted by xKaoSx on Apr-10-2004 15:53:

Posted by NYCTrancefan on Apr-10-2004 15:59:

Posted by Spankster on Apr-10-2004 16:01:

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Originally posted by xKaoSx
are you kidding me? Wow- you're a fucking idiot.

When you kidnap civilians that is considered fair tactics?

All they did was bring a knive to a gunfight.

There are US teams on the ground right now doing sweeps.

They will be found soon enough. I doubt Japan is going to go to war with us because of their civilians getting killed. All they're going to do is piss Japan off and then they will take sanctions against Iraq as well.

If you read my post properly you would've read the bit...."While i dont disagree with ur view that taking civilians as hostages is cowardice .......".
I dont consider kidnapping civilians as fair tactics.........comprende?

Posted by Spankster on Apr-10-2004 16:10:

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Originally posted by NYCTrancefan
You seem to be under the impression that I am defending America on the issue of Iraq, I will enlighten you, you are dead wrong. I was against the lies that led up to this war, the conflict was purposeless and nothing gave America the right to "try and impose democracy by force on a people." My reasoning is that the "freedom fighters" should go fight coalition troops who have the ability to at least defend themselves as opposed to civilians who for the most part are helping out Iraqis who need it. If you want to argue that Iraqi civilians are being killed by American firepower as well, two wrongs doesn't make a right.

You questioned the so-called "freedom frighters" tactics and bravery, and i question the US forces........how hard and brave it is to drop a payload of bombs from 10,000 feet in the air while indiscriminating wounding and killing civilians at the same time as targeting combatants. I think amerikkkan tactics are just as cowardly as the so-called freedom fighters.

Posted by DigiNut on Apr-10-2004 16:24:

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Originally posted by Spankster
The US has guns as well...........maybe they should fight like REAL BRAVE WARRIORS and give up their use of tomahawk missiles, ah-64 apache gunships, f-16 fighter/bombers(and any other aircraft), and m1 abrahms MBT's and see how they fair in street to street small arms combat against the militia's in fallujah and what not.
While i dont disagree with ur view that taking civilians as hostages is cowardice i couldnt help but laugh at ur final statement given amerikkka's indiscriminant use of heavy weapons which just so happens to take the lives of innocent civilians as well as enemy combatants.

LOL, I see this idiotic logic so much it's actually starting to become funny.

While I'm not necessarily supporting the war itself, are you actually suggesting that in a war situation, the stronger side with heavier weapons should throw those weapons away and go fight in the streets with sticks and rocks?

That's not fairness, it's idiocy. There's a strong division between directly attacking civilians and taking a few civilians as collateral damage. Why should a more powerful nation risk the lives of their own military personnel in the name of "fairness?" Granted, dropping an A-bomb isn't exactly the most humanitarian approach, but the whole point is to find a balance between protecting their own military and protecting civilian lives in the foreign land.

When you're in a war situation, no matter how wrong that war may be, the lives of your own citizens come first. That again does not mean it's okay to be dropping an A-bomb or firing SCUDs into the area and take mass casualties, but if you can take out the military targets with a relatively small number of civilian casualties and at the same time minimize the risk to your own military, then that is what you do - it's simply a balancing act.

Comparing military strategy to the kidnapping of civilians who are trying to HELP is just warped and ridiculous. It's a pretty lame copout to blame their kidnappings on the war itself. Anybody can say "this wouldn't have happened if some other thing in the past didn't happen" in hindsight, but if you look at such a claim rationally it turns out to be pretty meaningless. It seems to be an implication that not only should we be able to predict the future, but we should tailor our actions to eliminate the possibility of any short-term difficulties (as opposed to aiming for long-term gain).

I'm not particularly passionate about the whole Iraq issue, but the level of rhetoric is beginning to rival that of the IP debate. It's getting ridiculous, and it needs to stop. Focus on the future, on what to do next, and stop crabbing about the lies and screwups and what not.

Spankster, you need to calm the fuck down - the fact that you keep referring to the USA as "Amerikkka" clearly shows just what kind of rationality we can expect from you (and I'm not even taking into account the fact that "America" includes far more countries than the USA itself, many of whom did not participate in the war at all). Your whole argument is nothing more than a glorified version of a 5-year-old whining about how "he started it!!"

Posted by Spankster on Apr-10-2004 16:39:

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Originally posted by DigiNut
LOL, I see this idiotic logic so much Spankster, you need to calm the fuck down - the fact that you keep referring to the USA as "Amerikkka" clearly shows just what kind of rationality we can expect from you (and I'm not even taking into account the fact that "America" includes far more countries than the USA itself, many of whom did not participate in the war at all). "

If u read my quote i agreed that kidnapping civilians is an act of cowards.......so shut ur hole!!!

2ndly to say that the involvement of those other countries give the amerikkkan occupation some sort of international legitimacy is joke.
The only reason why my government jumped on the bandwagon was so we could get a crappy free trade agreement with the US. What was in it in for Poland? What was in it for Japan? What was in it for Turkey?
Pfffffttt.
Speak to the hand!!

Posted by DigiNut on Apr-10-2004 16:47:

Wow Spankster, you're a real winner.

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Originally posted by Spankster
If u read my quote i agreed that kidnapping civilians is an act of cowards.......so shut ur hole!!!

And did I misquote you on that? No. My problem was with your "they started it" mentality.

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2ndly to say that the involvement of those other countries give the amerikkkan occupation some sort of international legitimacy is joke.

I'll mail you $20 if you can spot where in my post I said anything even remotely similar to this. I stated that other countries on the CONTINENT of America (North and South) did NOT participate in the war, so it is incorrect of you to constantly refer to it as "America" as opposed to "US" or "USA".

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The only reason why my government jumped on the bandwagon was so we could get a crappy free trade agreement with the US. What was in it in for Poland? What was in it for Japan? What was in it for Turkey?
Pfffffttt.
Speak to the hand!!

Wow. Speak to the hand. What are you, 12 years old?

Note to self: don't try to carry on a logical debate with anyone who uses the term "Amerikkka".

Posted by Spankster on Apr-10-2004 17:21:

And where did i rant on about "They started it!"
The point i was merely pointing out was that dropping bombs from 10,000 feet in the air is just as cowardly as taking civilians as hostages. I find iraqi militiamen taking hostage japanese humanitarian workers who are there to help iraqi's about as amusing as i find amerikkkans occupying to save/help iraqi's and yet blowing em up in the process of doin it. I would like to know why the amerikkkan govt wont tally the civilian iraqi casualties since the outbreak of the war.

Now ur getting into pedantics. You know when i talk about amerikkka i sure aint talkin about the native indians of sth america.

Speak to the hand biatch!

Posted by DigiNut on Apr-10-2004 17:29:

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Originally posted by Spankster
And where did i rant on about "They started it!"
The point i was merely pointing out was that dropping bombs from 10,000 feet in the air is just as cowardly as taking civilians as hostages.

How so? Please explain, using any known definition of cowardice.

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Now ur getting into pedantics. You know when i talk about amerikkka i sure aint talkin about the native indians of sth america.

Pedantic: adj : marked by a narrow focus on or display of learning especially its trivial aspects [syn: academic, donnish]

Okay... whatever you say!

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Speak to the hand biatch!

Once again, are you 12 years old? I also think many of us would appreciate it if you stopped with your "alternate" spelling of America - frankly, I think your blatant anti-Americanism is the type of thing that should warrant a suspension or at least a warning. We'll have to see what the mods think, but I consider it no different from the use of any other racial slur.

Posted by borron on Apr-10-2004 19:05:

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Originally posted by DigiNut
Once again, are you 12 years old? I also think many of us would appreciate it if you stopped with your "alternate" spelling of America - frankly, I think your blatant anti-Americanism is the type of thing that should warrant a suspension or at least a warning. We'll have to see what the mods think, but I consider it no different from the use of any other racial slur.

Hey pal, don't you live in a free country where you can express yourselves freely? Now he should get a warning/suspension for being anti-american? What kind of censorship is that? It's funny to see how people here have double standards, especially americans.

Anyway,
kidnapping civilians, especially aid workers, was a very stupid and cowardly move. But it's a unfair war, so the weakest side has to use all the methods available... I would probably have done the same if i was one of militians (ok maybe not aid workers, but some kind of foreign worker).
Sad, but true. You can't fight tanks and f-16's with kalashnikovs.

Posted by DigiNut on Apr-10-2004 19:11:

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Originally posted by borron
Hey pal, don't you live in a free country where you can express yourselves freely? Now he should get a warning/suspension for being anti-american? What kind of censorship is that? It's funny to see how people here have double standards, especially americans.

There's another moronic argument I love to hear. The constitutional right to free speech applies to federal laws, not private institutions. Just as a bouncer can refuse you entrace to a club if you haven't got the proper dress code, lame assholes on TA can be suspended.

Get it through your head - "free speech" only means you can't be arrested and thrown in prison for it, it doesn't mean that you can't get your ass kicked.

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Sad, but true. You can't fight tanks and f-16's with kalashnikovs.

Of course you can't, but kidnapping civilians doesn't qualify as "fighting", I'd say it's closer to out-and-out terrorism.

Posted by Spankster on Apr-10-2004 19:30:

Mate you need to give up thinking ur more intelligent than what you actually are.

Posted by DigiNut on Apr-10-2004 20:02:

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Originally posted by Spankster
Mate you need to give up thinking ur more intelligent than what you actually are.

Hmmm... covered face in avatar, Palestinian flag, "I hate trance" and "keeping it real" slogans in the sig... I think I get it now.

Come back when you've graduated from high school, stfuplzthx.

Posted by Spankster on Apr-10-2004 20:33:

Listen pal i agree that i may have crossed the line with using the derogaritive term for americans so i will refrain from using such term.

The difference between you and me is that you think its ok for "collateral damage to occur" while i dont agree with ANY civilian losses. Bottom line is the life of one american servicemen is worth more than a dozen iraqi's who maybe innocently caught in the crossfire and i think thats bullshit but hey thats my opinion.

I agree iraqi militiamen kidnapping people who are trying to help iraqi's is warped but like i said earlier, going to battle against people who the US sought to free is just as warped unless the motives go beyond helping poor iraqi's.

Youre off on ur own tangent mate. Mind you i misinterpreted one of ur quotes but that happens now and then and with ur resorting to personal insults........how about you go shove a glowstick up ur ass u meth freak!!

Posted by NYCTrancefan on Apr-10-2004 22:23:

Nice to see that whoever these kidnappers were wisened up after speaking with Sunni clerics and decided to let the three hostages go within the next 24hrs after all.

Posted by zarathustra on Apr-10-2004 22:24:

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Originally posted by NYCTrancefan
Nice to see that whoever these kidnappers were wisened up after speaking with Sunni clerics and decided to let the three hostages go within the next 24hrs after all.

So there might be hope after all...

Posted by rizo on Apr-10-2004 22:38:

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