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Re: Slob appeal

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DigiNut
[FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=#99CCEE]It's time for another one of my patented rants. This was actually inspired by something Orbax wrote in another thread about people who don't know how to dress themselves and wear baggy clothes and sideways hats and so on... I want an honest answer here, preferably from females but anyone who knows is welcome to respond:

Why is it that every time I see a drop-dead gorgeous girl who happens to be with a guy, the guy is wearing a FUCKING BASEBALL CAP? Seriously, EVERY guy I see with a beautiful woman in this city has a goddamn HAT on. Do I have to wear one of those pieces of crap to get attention?

And on top of that, the angle of the hat seems to be directly proportional to just how far above average the girl is (i.e. the more sideways the hat, the more beautiful the girl). WHY? At what point in the history of this proud nation did it become respectable or even tolerable to dress like a slob? To me, a hat would seem to indicate that the person wearing it either cannot or is simply not willing to do a half-decent job washing/combing his hair in the morning, and just throws that thing on so people can't see the mop on his head. Yes, that MAY not be the reason they wear it, but it's like the girls who look like they showered in make-up, you just have to wonder what's hiding under it.

I realize this probably sounds ridiculous but it's honestly true. I just picked up on it a few weeks ago and have been paying attention since then, and it's seriously unreal how many jaw-dropping hotties hang around with guys with HATS on and just generally look like absolute slobs. I'm not basing this on 3 or 4 couples as some of you are probably thinking, I have seen this phenomenon AT LEAST 50 times in the past few weeks and almost never seen the opposite (i.e. the same thing with a well-dressed, well-off guy). This is not the same as the "bad boy" appeal either which I used to see when I was younger - these people do not look dangerous, they just look like idiots. I only weigh 140 but I know I could kick their asses in a heartbeat.

So let's hear it, is "slob" the "in"-fashion now? It makes me want to retch thinking about wearing ripped baggy jeans down to my ass along with a losing team's sport jersey and a sideways cap, but the statistical evidence is piling up fast - apparently that's what I have to do around here to be "cool".






easy as this girls dig guys who arent uptigtht...guys who dont give a fuck....a guy whos too self concious and thinks everyone is looking at whats wrong with his hair or the clothes hes wearing usually end up in last..its abt confidence

I'm not quite sure I understand this phenomenon either Aaron. Coming from a "female" perspective, I have to say that this "look" that has recently come into fashion, is not attractive at all. Actually, it's quite disgusting.

What is attractive about someone who constantly dresses like a bum? Are girls proud of the fact that it looks like they picked up their boyfriend off the street? Imho, a man who possesses knowledge on how to dress = sexy.

And wearing a hat can look extreemly good, but the wearing it sideways thing... ugh. How is that even beneficial to a day to day life? Does the tilt of the cap give some sort of protection against the wind *if* it *happens* to be blowing in a certain direction?

Meh, I'm european though, so it's quite possible that my thoughts of "sexy" are quite different than others.

If I have to keep myself fit, attractive (in the dressing sense), employed, etc etc, so do you. End of story.

Damnit, I got quoted. I deleted the last response because I didn't want to edit it. *sigh*

*edit* Btw, loose, not baggy jeans are attractive. I can't deal with a guy who wears tighter pants than me.

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Originally posted by anuneventrade I'm not quite sure I understand this phenomenon either Aaron. Coming from a "female" perspective, I have to say that this "look" that has recently come into fashion, is not attractive at all. Actually, it's quite disgusting. What is attractive about someone who constantly dresses like a bum? Are girls proud of the fact that it looks like they picked up their boyfriend off the street? Imho, a man who possesses knowledge on how to dress = sexy. And wearing a hat can look extreemly good, but the wearing it sideways thing... ugh. How is that even beneficial to a day to day life? Does the tilt of the cap give some sort of protection against the wind *if* it *happens* to be blowing in a certain direction? Meh, I'm european though, so it's quite possible that my thoughts of "sexy" are quite different than others. If I have to keep myself fit, attractive (in the dressing sense), employed, etc etc, so do you. End of story. Damnit, I got quoted. I deleted the last response because I didn't want to edit it. *sigh* *edit* Btw, loose, not baggy jeans are attractive. I can't deal with a guy who wears tighter pants than me.

good to see some girl input. i have to totally agree with you. i mean i wouldn't want to be with a girl who just laid around in sweatpants all day. effort shows confidence and that is sexy.

i don't think i look very good in hats...so i don't own any.

sara i agree with u but not aron...aron sounds like this "I COMEB MY HAIR ON A REGULAR BASIS WHY CANT I GET A GIRL!?!?!??!?! and then these guys who dont put in half as much hair care as i do get all the girls..damn them ..i dont understand it i evcen iron my jeans before i go out and i cant get a girl"


well maybe its ur attitude..maybe u give too much of a damn and u smell desperate...maybe ur to uptight because ur worrying about what others think.. maybe ur too hyped up on how u clean ur clothes arfe and how ur hair looks that u dont know how to urself in front of a different sex...or maybe u just dont have ur hat at a 90 degree angle with ur shoulders...what the fuck do i know...just pick one opf the above cause somethings not working for you

I don't really feel like arguing, but Vivid Boy, you're assuming a lot of things here that I never said, and let me assure you that I wasn't asking for advice.

Question: do you ever get haircuts? Do you shave? Do you shower? Do you do laundry? If so, why? Doesn't that constitute "trying too hard?"

Obviously you do, and obviously you don't call that overdoing it. You're supposed to shower and look presentable. Yes it's great not to care what other people think, but there is still a bare minimum that one generally has to keep up in order to maintain the respect of his/her peers.

Vivid Boy and his cugino @ Pallazzo

I do want the guy to feel comfortable, but he doesn't have to look like a slob doing it. It honestly depends on where you are going and what you are doing. Attire to run some errands during the day would obviously differ than what he would wear at night going out. If his whole wardrobe looks the same then there's a problem (at least for me). If a guy goes out at night and looks like a slob he doesn't stand a chance with me. I honestly believe that the way you present yourself says a lot about you and how you would be in a relationship. Same thing goes for guys that over do it. If a guy always has to be dressed up...even going to Home Depot...that's just too anal. A guy can over do it. Sometimes you need to be able to just get dressed and go. I look for that happy medium.

I'm not into the baggy look at all. I'm not into the t-shirt and jeans look all the time...it gets old. If I'm going out at night with a guy to dinner or to a club I do prefer if the guy dresses nice. I don't mean decked out in a suit, but there are casual dress pants and shirts that are just as comfortable as jeans and a t-shirt. I like being with someone that takes pride in their appearance.

As for baggy clothes and wearing a sideways hat. If I saw a guy in a club dressed like that I wouldn't look twice. I doubt that I would even notice if he was good looking...I wouldn't care. I am not attracted to that look in the least. I don't care for hip hop so guys that are dressed that way turn me off. The same goes for country. I'm not into country music so guys wearing tight Wrangler jeans with boots and a hat won't get a second glance. That's just my personal preference.

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy sara i agree with u but not aron...aron sounds like this "I COMEB MY HAIR ON A REGULAR BASIS WHY CANT I GET A GIRL!?!?!??!?! and then these guys who dont put in half as much hair care as i do get all the girls..damn them ..i dont understand it i evcen iron my jeans before i go out and i cant get a girl" well maybe its ur attitude..maybe u give too much of a damn and u smell desperate...maybe ur to uptight because ur worrying about what others think.. maybe ur too hyped up on how u clean ur clothes arfe and how ur hair looks that u dont know how to urself in front of a different sex...or maybe u just dont have ur hat at a 90 degree angle with ur shoulders...what the fuck do i know...just pick one opf the above cause somethings not working for you

I agree sounds like aron's just bitter. Generally girls aren't attracted to up tight geeks who cyber all day complaining that girls fall for the wrong type of guys. My advice: go offline, loosen up, have a beer, and attend social events, instead of brooding at home and constructing theories based on your lack of social skills.

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Originally posted by anuneventrade *edit* Btw, loose, not baggy jeans are attractive. I can't deal with a guy who wears tighter pants than me. [/font]

I agree

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Originally posted by trancebrat I do want the guy to feel comfortable, but he doesn't have to look like a slob doing it. It honestly depends on where you are going and what you are doing. Attire to run some errands during the day would obviously differ than what he would wear at night going out. If his whole wardrobe looks the same then there's a problem (at least for me). If a guy goes out at night and looks like a slob he doesn't stand a chance with me. I honestly believe that the way you present yourself says a lot about you and how you would be in a relationship. Same thing goes for guys that over do it. If a guy always has to be dressed up...even going to Home Depot...that's just too anal. A guy can over do it. Sometimes you need to be able to just get dressed and go. I look for that happy medium. I'm not into the baggy look at all. I'm not into the t-shirt and jeans look all the time...it gets old. If I'm going out at night with a guy to dinner or to a club I do prefer if the guy dresses nice. I don't mean decked out in a suit, but there are casual dress pants and shirts that are just as comfortable as jeans and a t-shirt. I like being with someone that takes pride in their appearance. As for baggy clothes and wearing a sideways hat. If I saw a guy in a club dressed like that I wouldn't look twice. I doubt that I would even notice if he was good looking...I wouldn't care. I am not attracted to that look in the least. I don't care for hip hop so guys that are dressed that way turn me off. The same goes for country. I'm not into country music so guys wearing tight Wrangler jeans with boots and a hat won't get a second glance. That's just my personal preference.

You didn't have to say that; I could tell you think that way based on how well-dressed you are in your clubing pics.

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf Vivid Boy and his cugino @ Pallazzo

those guys like...need to get shot...especially that fat doofus on the right

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf You didn't have to say that; I could tell you think that way based on how well-dressed you are in your clubing pics.

Yes, but that's to go out. I don't want to come across that I would want someone to always look that way.

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Originally posted by igottaknow I agree sounds like aron's just bitter. Generally girls aren't attracted to up tight geeks who cyber all day complaining that girls fall for the wrong type of guys. My advice: go offline, loosen up, have a beer, and attend social events, instead of brooding at home why the world is unfair.

I haven't even been online for the past week, nor did I make any indication of having personal issues with this... what is your problem? Do you think that every person's "pet peeve" reflects some kind of deep-seated insecurity, or are you just trying to put other people down on an internet forum so you feel better about yourself?

Sounds like someone's bitter today, but not I...


*edit* also seems like a few of the girls here don't like it either, so you be the judge of who's "brooding."

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Originally posted by DigiNut I don't really feel like arguing, but Vivid Boy, you're assuming a lot of things here that I never said, and let me assure you that I wasn't asking for advice. Question: do you ever get haircuts? Do you shave? Do you shower? Do you do laundry? If so, why? Doesn't that constitute "trying too hard?" Obviously you do, and obviously you don't call that overdoing it. You're supposed to shower and look presentable. Yes it's great not to care what other people think, but there is still a bare minimum that one generally has to keep up in order to maintain the respect of his/her peers.

yes no shit digi butr theres a difference between keeping urself clean and being straight out fairy toe shoes that skips to never ever land on a clean golden path...might as well have ur momma lay out ur clothes for you too.. but yes i keep myself clean and i wash my clothing and i do my maintenance but i dont do it to impress people i do it out of self respect...i feel i shpould look my cleanest my best cause I deserve it not because some hoe im gonna meet at the club deserves it..thats the difference....people with self respect get farther then p[eople who have none...so askur self why do u keep urself at ur best? is to attract ur lover to be or because u feel u should cause u deserve it...

sorry digi dont battle me on this subject..cause i can pick up a chick whether im wearing my hat to side or not wearing a hat at all..so ur whole magical hat theory is thrown out the window..might as well put on your thinking hat turn it sideways and figuree out what ur doing wrong..

and trancebrat i agree theres a time and a place to be very casual and not...if im just running an errand (depending what it is) a pair of track pants and a t shirt hat to the back listening to my rap...if im going to a bar a casual bar ill throw on a pair of jeans and a casual shirt...if im going some where nice ill dress up..it all depends on the situation...

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Originally posted by DigiNut *edit* also seems like a few of the girls here don't like it either, so you be the judge of who's "brooding."

yeah maybe so but these are different girls then ur regular chick u meet in toronto...lets face it theyre on an internet forum which says alot to me...(not a bad thing)

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy yeah maybe so but these are different girls then ur regular chick u meet in toronto...lets face it theyre on an internet forum which says alot to me...(not a bad thing)

are you implying that girls who are on internet forums aren't superficial materialistic bitches?

yeah basically...u can tell right now theyre not looking in the mirror wondering if they need a boob job...theyre actually reading peoples thoughts on different subjects...intellectual bitches...











but now the question is are they ugly cause they study or do they study cause theyre ugly?

Dear lord Eric, what are you trying to prove? I never said I had personal problems, just that I notice a disproportionate amount of beautiful girls here hanging around with guys that look utterly horrible. The part about wearing a hat myself to get them was obviously a joke, I'm sorry that you seem not to have picked up on that.

Your point about self-respect IS EXACTLY THE POINT - slobs are people with no self-respect, so why would any self-respecting mate want to hang out with them? You're looking at this the wrong way, I don't have a problem with the guys looking like shit (they look like morons but it's their own business I guess), I have a problem with the girls who spend their time with guys who obviously don't take care of themselves. Almost every girl I know and respect will say that she wants a guy who takes care of himself.

You're right - people should take care of themselves out of self-respect. But people should also spend their time with other people who take care of themselves. I don't want to hang around with total slobs and neither should they.

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Originally posted by DigiNut I haven't even been online for the past week, nor did I make any indication of having personal issues with this... what is your problem? Do you think that every person's "pet peeve" reflects some kind of deep-seated insecurity, or are you just trying to put other people down on an internet forum so you feel better about yourself? Sounds like someone's bitter today, but not I... *edit* also seems like a few of the girls here don't like it either, so you be the judge of who's "brooding."

Whatever dude, I'm not the one ranting about how unfair it is that girls fall for slobs. I think it's kind of shallow to be judging people based on how you think they should dress. Relationships don't usually revolve around the appropriate way to wear headgear.

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Originally posted by igottaknow Whatever dude, I'm not the one ranting about how unfair it is that girls fall for slobs. I think it's kind of shallow to be judging people based on how you think they should dress. Relationships don't usually revolve around the appropriate way to wear head gear.

Did I use the word "unfair"? Please find it, anywhere in any of my posts in this thread.

No, I didn't use it, because MY PERSONAL SITUATION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS. When people complain that they hate it when people can't spell and can't string together a complete sentence, does that mean they think it's "unfair" that they still passed high school? No, it's just something irritating, so stop assuming things! I have no problem with my love life, ffs.

Could you please explain to me how it is "shallow" to care about the way people dress? We're talking about physical attraction here, not their chemistry marks. Relationships DO revolve around the way people look, most of the time anyway, and if you're honestly trying to convince me otherwise then I'd have to wonder just what kind of authority you're speaking from here.

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Originally posted by DigiNut [COLOR=#99CCEE] Almost every girl I know and respect will say that she wants a guy who takes care of himself.[COLOR]

Theres your first problem, you cant actually ask woman what they want, its a mistake most men take. When you take advice from a woman on what they want, you are making the biggest error you can possibly do.

the way you dress is a reflection on your personality. the manner in which you present yourself to others allows you to make a judgement on that person whether you realise it or not.

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Originally posted by Rodrico Theres your first problem, you cant actually ask woman what they want, its a mistake most men take. When you take advice from a woman on what they want, you are making the biggest error you can possibly do.

So, are you saying that what he wrote isn't true? I don't think he said he turns to women for "advice". He was making a statement more than anything and in my opinion his statement was dead on.

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Originally posted by Rodrico Theres your first problem, you cant actually ask woman what they want, its a mistake most men take. When you take advice from a woman on what they want, you are making the biggest error you can possibly do.

Dude, I think that's one thing you CAN trust from them. Majority of girls will not be likely to turn down a guy who is well-built, well-dressed, and also turns out to be smart and not a complete jackass.

Obviously you don't need all of those qualities to chat one up, but I still have to question how some people's standards could get THAT low.

Floorfiller is right, you may THINK that you can't tell someone's personality by the way they dress, but the fact is that you really can. If someone puts no effort into their style, then chances are they don't put effort into much else. Why do you think girls love "Men In Uniform?"




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Jesus christ, this turned from an innocent ranting joke about baseball caps into a giant arena for all the "cyba playaz" to discuss their love tips. Thank you folks, I know how to talk to a girl, I'm not being "uptight", and I don't need your advice, but feel free to keep giving it anyway, as I'm sure that some unsuspecting sap on here will actually believe that you know what you're talking about and follow it.

Peace everyone... as with almost every thread I've made so far, I'll say thank you to the ones that made this a good conversation, and a big:

to the ones that ruined it with their childish insults.

Whether his statement or opinion is true, Im saying you cant believe women in what they say they want outta a man, cause women have no clue what they want. My advice, is your delusional, get some fuckin balls and use them to be confident and strong, if anything woman are drawn to those attributes.

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