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Originally posted by dan_Saviola ... i am thinking that in the future i may need to add a cdj so 3 channels is prob best.

Remember, a 2 channel mixer can support 2 turntables and 2 CD decks. All you have to do is flip the input switch, so unless you really want more than 2 inputs playing at the same time, u're gonna want more than 2 channels.

You can also technically (via the aux(line only) input on the PDD01) play 3 channels at the same time on it. Although it is a 2 channel mixer.

This input has a tone control, gain and treble and bass eq's. However cueing up using this channel would be difficult because of the inablity to pre monitor (as far as I know) it. But for say samples it might be ok.

ok what about a different approach. can anyone actually recommend a mixer for trance and breaks? also does buying a more expensive mixer mean u wont need to later on ?

vestax pcv-275! i keep bangin on about em... 3 channels, 11 inputs (3 phono, 6 line, 2 mic), PCV heavy duty faders, kill switches, line 4 jack-in on the face of the mixer (for easy adding of a cd deck or other external input whilst on the fly), headfone jack-in for the face of the mixer (for rack and flight case mounting), effects send & return to plug an fx unit into...

and yes, buying a more expensive anything is always a safe bet (if you can afford it) with regards to dj equipment

I have seen alot of vestax mixers go bad after 4-5yrs which is why I opted to buy the Allen HEath Xone:32.

The build quality on the Allen heath is far superior than the mid-range vestax mixers you are looking at.

If you dont want to have to buy another mixer in 10 years... go with the allen heath. Otherwise, I know for SURE that the vestax mixer will exude problems later. You will begin to hear the humming noises that some of these folks say they are experiencing with behringer mixers.

Also, with the allen heath mixers, you WILL hear a difference in sound quality. I know I did.

The allen heath Xone32 has all the features the Vestax pcv275 has plus it will last longer and sound better.

Your mixes on the Allen Heath will sound cleaner and smoother. Also , Since the XONE32 has the Penny+Giles crossfader option, your crosfader will last about 4 times longer than the vestax PCV.

Also.... I am selling my Xone32 for 500$ because I want the XONE92...I think I will stick with only Allen heath mixers after seeing its quality on the Xone32.

IF you want to purchase my mixer that I had for only a couply months(..I still have the box), I will be glad to sell it to someone who takes DJ'ing seriously.

I got pics if you want me to send them.

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Originally posted by stupidisco apart from the shitty digital effects that are played out till kingdom come, the djm 500/600 cant even touch the xone 32 in terms of build quality, sound quality, and did i mention the xone 32 comes w/ straight analog filters w/ q knob? djm 500 and 600 is a thing of the past..

Um the djm is still the best to buy as it will prepare you for live play.There are way better mixers out there but wouldn't you rather know your way around the one that you are going to be using later.I would say get the djm 500 or 600 or if you can't afford it get the three hundred.If you want better effects then the 500 or 600 get the 300 and buy a chaos pad #2.those things will beat down pioneer effects anyday.Stick with pioneer so you can know how the mixers feel playing live.

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Originally posted by dan_Saviola ok what about a different approach. can anyone actually recommend a mixer for trance and breaks? also does buying a more expensive mixer mean u wont need to later on ?

you can beat the fuck out of pioneer and it wont give out on ya.I have seen ones where the faders are loose and feel like they are gonna fall off in your hands and they still sound better than vestax in brand new condition.

look at my post above and it will tell you exactly what to buy.I guaruntee you won't be dissapointed.

well i spose at least that was a definite answer. altho expensive. when you are testing a new mixer in a shop what do you guys look for?

I think its just more or less a brand thing as some mixers sound great at the store and then crap out on ya a little while later.Here are the four brands I haven't heard bad things about but remember that using anything but the industry standard doesn't prepare you for live playing.I think allen and heath sound like they would be better for recording mixes but if you ever want to play out I still reccomend the djm.

allen and heath

pioneer

rein

tascam


all of those mixers don't crap out on you and are well worth the money.

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Originally posted by SUNWmsf Since the XONE32 has the Penny+Giles crossfader option, your crosfader will last about 4 times longer than the vestax PCV.

mainly because you won't use the cross-fader as its so shite

but yeah, i agree the allen & heath is built brilliantly, its just not my kind of mixer. its great for playing trance, but anything that requires fast movement, and in my eyes it lags behind the competition.

DO NOT BUY PIONEER MIXERS! the DJM-500 has pathetic sound quality, and if u're gonna get a DJM-600, u should seriously consider the Xone 62. U gotta be nuts to take the DJM-600 over the Xone 62!

Just for the record folks.

All these people banging on about quality and slating the pioneer and rambling on about the quality of the A&H.
I have seen A&H mixers go bad too. Including my own which I had to take to be repaired the other week.

I agree, the sound quality from the A&H is brilliant. But don't think they don't have issues. You may well find power problems in time with A&H mixers and the LEDs will die off too (Not a big issue I know).
The main difference between the A&H and the Pioneer in this respect is repairability. The A&H is for more engineer friendly.
The chances are if you need to repair a pioneer you will have it sent off and wont see it for 3 or 4 months.

Getting back to it though, I still think that you don't get enough mixer for your money with a Xone 32 and find the Vestax 275 to be the best option out of the three mentioned.

The Xone 62 is an excellent mixer no doubt. But I also know for fact that a lot of DJs request the DJM 600 simply because a lot of DJs use the functions it has to great effect.

I know some of you are against the effects and I must say that I'm not a huge fan of those things on the whole, but it does depend on your own levels of creativity and you will hear some big names like Picotto and Halliwell do some really cool stuff with it (Both those guys will also request that mixer specifically, digital effects and all).

Whilst I am an A&H fan, I try to avoid the singlemindedness that seems to come with this territory and accept that there are quite a few really good mixers out there.

I think dj prometheus makes some good points in terms of the top brands.
There is however really no single mixer that will prepare you for live play but there is a general format in terms of EQ etc. All the mixers dj prometheus mentioned have it but so does the fore mentioned Vestax.

But I have to say that out of the mixers the original poster mentioned I still think the Vestax is the best value for money,the thing that tends to go on them is faders but they are replacable. I have a PMC-17 for back up with no issues. It has been hammered before I got my Xone 464 but is still good. Vestax make some good stuff too.

I personally think that the cross fader is a pointless attribute on most mixers today unless you scratch. They Penny Giles fader is well made but the fader curve on the A&H mixers (Except Xone 92) is utter gargage.

Just my thoughts on the matter.
Nem

although a great input from everyone im still very confused. i suppose its like many things in life - different people - different opinions! the numark seems to be out, so we're left with the 3 top choices in bedroom dj mixers - the vestax pcv275 , allen and heath xone32, and the pioneer djm500. i confess i know little about the vestax although i believe it has few features. the allen and heath is supposed to be of incredible manufacturing quality - but again has few features and the cross fader is taking a knocking. this seems to be the mixer of many peoples choice - simply due to the fact that it is going to last a while. the pioneer is a love or hate job. some love pioneer mixers some hate em. this seems to have a great deal of features for only 30 pound more than the xone32. but the one thing that puts me off is the bpm counter. id rather learn by myself how to perfect beatmatching. i cud always mix blindfolded i spose.
so?!?!?i guess the pioneer looks best value because of its features. whats the build quality like any ideas? the xone32 and pcv275 are a little lacking in features for the money does anyone agree?or am i completely missing the point of a good mixer?

also the djm500 has 4 channels which is a little pointless to me unless i later add cdj turntables later in life

My advice to you ultimately would be to try them and see what you think.
It sounds like you are in the learning stages and it's important that you feel comfortable with what you have.
The BPM counters on the Pioneer can always be covered by black tape and that is actually a good idea as counters are no good.


Another thing to keep in mind is that people on forums very often like to believe they have the definitive answer and that is seldom the case.

It's also a case of that people have very different levels of experience when it comes to this industry. A hand full are pro's but the majority are very keen enthusiasts who are totally in love with what they do.

As a DJ you have to keep an open mind and try things because it's the only way you will develop.

As stated, none of the mixers are bad but it's also a question of what you see yourself doing with it?

At this moment in time I would say that you should focus on the core elements of DJing and not worry too much about effects and you can always upgrade. Both Vestax and A&H mixers have a good re-sale value.

As I said, test them and see which one you like the feel of.

Cheers
Nem

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Originally posted by dan_Saviola also the djm500 has 4 channels which is a little pointless to me unless i later add cdj turntables later in life

Actually that's not as dumb as it sounds. You may find yourself adding atleast one sooner rather than later so you can never tell.



Nem

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Originally posted by djxtension What i'm trying to say is, don't buy a mixer because of its looks or its features, buy it because of its quality.

It is definitely obvious that you didnt buy that mixer for looks. That is one of the ugliest things I have ever seen. That said, I agree with you that it should be based on quality - sound, build, etc. More so than that, it should be based on personal preference - the layout, EQs, rotary VS slides, all sorts of things.

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Originally posted by Dirk W. It is definitely obvious that you didnt buy that mixer for looks. That is one of the ugliest things I have ever seen. That said, I agree with you that it should be based on quality - sound, build, etc. More so than that, it should be based on personal preference - the layout, EQs, rotary VS slides, all sorts of things.

I agree that it ain't pretty, but it's used on some larger dance-events in holland, like trance-energy and stuff like that. I think that definately says something about the qualit of the mixer. There are clubs here in Holland that have played with these things for over 15 years...

By the way: It's not as ugly in real life...

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