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| Originally posted by Paulie HAHHAHAH @ this labour love. - Lets not bitch about single or low income earners cause if you have no family you have the ability to work more to earn more. Families are where the money is needed. It works both way guys. |
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| Originally posted by webmeister @ Beemer... Why is that disgusting? He's from the outer Western suburbs and did grow up poor, and only went to uni because it was free back then. Given the choice between a genuine person and a fake, serial liar like John Howard I know which I'd be choosing every time. And who says he has no idea how to run the country? When has he had the opportunity to prove himself? |
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| Originally posted by Paulie Bragi: You say earn 80K+ but feel guilty about where the tax cuts coming from. Ohh fucking please cry me a river. You have no guilt whatsoever. I dont feel sorry for you, and i dont feel sorry for the people the tax cuts are coming from. |
Beemer.. you are a legend!
Hit the head of the nail right on its ugly head n drove it thru the coffin n past the 6 feet of dirt!
That mr average joe syndrome he seem to can't get rid of is geting annoying.. maybe he's way too average to run anything n should be voted out... hell i did that job he so proclaims to have done so much... n i turned out alright??? lol
Chookie is right on as well.. were screwed if we do n were screwed if we don't... its all politix, smoke n mirrors n everything else.
btw.. Paulie, that was a little harsh on bragi, u might wanna let up... just a quick question?
What do you do? work/school/centralink?
Soups just to give you a bit of an idea of WHY people arent being able to afford to go to uni.......
Its true HECS covers COURSE fees however it doenst cover uni fees (at the moment im paying just under $600 a year of these!) or textbooks (which usually are compulsory if youd like to pass the course - i spend at least $500 a year on textbooks and before someone says thats overspending you should know ive only resold 2 of those textbooks cause they ALL come in handy!) but thats not the part that kills prospective students!
My situation - i get no help from my parents (because they cant afford to help me), i recieve some centrelink (not enough to pay my rent each month if that was my sole source of income) but luckily i worked my ass off during high school and got a scholarship. I also have worked a fulltime job every summer holiday for the last 3 years. And before i came to sydney for uni i had $8000 in the bank that id saved from working every weekend for the previous 3 years.
Now even with the scholarship, work and centrelink im going to come out of uni with a maximum of about $3000 in the bank (prolly much less!).
I ask you, how are people from poor backgrounds who didnt have that savings safety net and the scholarship going to pay for university??? You need to remember that most people under the poverty line or close to it dont have the family background to encourage them to work hard at school to try and get a scholarship nor do they have the professional skills to get a part time job to supplement their income that way. And if you have to live away from home to go to uni - kiss that idea good bye unless youve got a very steady income stream coming in!
I hope that gives you a better idea of the REAL situation facing prospective uni students.... 
Oh and ill write up my ideas on the budget after ive had more time to look into it in greater details.
One last thing...
Alli what policies hasnt Mark Latham given a plan for?? Dont just say all of them - give me an example... cause as far as i can remember everytime hes shot down a Liberal policy he has provided an alternative....... except for the shutting down of ATSIC but then Liberal hasnt said whats going to replace it either so i hardly think you can use that as an example!
Well said Lethal, you just saved my brain from exploding.
I was going to add that it's also difficult to get into uni if you went to a public school with fuckheads and for vaious reasons you can't get good marks.
Not everyone is intelligent enough to get into uni, in fact maybe they would have a chance if they had tutoring or if they went to a private school and had special treatment.
My situation is very different from that, I went to a public school, had a hard time at school due to fucked up people, I started volunteering to help people with disabilities and reliased this is where my skills are.
We need people like me to work in Welfare, but unfortunatelty it pays shit and is often seen as unvaluable work.
Maybe I should just have some babies so I can get $3000 payout.
(does anyone know if this $3000 is just for disadvantaged people or do the rich get this too?)
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| Originally posted by Paulie - A SUM of $3000 to be paid to mothers on the birth of every new baby - with the payment to increase to $5000 over the next four years; |
Geez stop whinging.
Does the budget really effect your lives that much! no
Has any other budget ever effected our lives that greatly? no
Would you still be whinging no matter who was in power? yes
Can the government please everybody? no
Remember you are not the only person living in Australia, the budget isn't actually going to effect you much at all.
When people say the government is trying to win votes . . doesn't that mean the government is doing what a majority want? Isn't that the role of a government! Think about it!
Just because there isn't a point in there saying you will pay no tax, and earn millions of dollars, does not mean that it is an irrisponsible government, or are making stupid decisions. Don't be so selfish, and realise that there are a shitload more people in the country other than yourself.
No matter which government was in power and released the budget, you'd whinge anyway. In two months time you wont even remember what was in the budget, it will have effected you so littly.
When it comes to State government that does matter, because everyone needs good hospitals, transport, education etc. It's a pity the state government has incompetant ministers like Michael Costa running public transport . . . hell is a coming.
*end rant at you all*
The amount of idiocy in this thread is astounding.
Voting at the election will be as easy or hard as it was last term.
Good economic conditions = Liberal.
Good welfare system, health system, uni system = Labour.
Wasted votes = Greens, democrats, etc.
Personally, ill be voting liberal. Mark latham needs another term as the opposition before he is ready imo.
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| Originally posted by escee The amount of idiocy in this thread is astounding. Voting at the election will be as easy or hard as it was last term. Good economic conditions = Liberal. Good welfare system, health system, uni system = Labour. Wasted votes = Greens, democrats, etc. Personally, ill be voting liberal. Mark latham needs another term as the opposition before he is ready imo. |
Matt the budget does have a fairly big effect on a lot of peoples lives, not everyones but a lot of peoples. And your right that in 2 months none of us will be talking about the budget but thats because at that point there will be nothing we can do about it...
The sort of discussions were all having now are what happens in a good democracy, because as people talk about political decisions HOPEFULLY the views of the people will reach the ears of members of parliament (thats what their there for!) and hopefully if theres an issue such as education or health funding in the budget that the people are unhappy with that gets back to the members and they vote no to the budget and the budget changes slightly to reflect the views of the people before getting passed.
I hope you dont think im talking down to you matt but you dont seem to realise just how important good political debate is and how important the budget is (seeing as thats decides where all our taxes go). Oh and fyi - its the federal government who decides how much money goes to hospitals and education and transport! The states get to decide who gets that money but the amount of money is decided in THIS budget - so it is a fairly big deal!!
I will say one positive thing about this budget after the very quick perousal ive given it - im glad theres no major increase in funding for the defense forces - until they learn how to spend the money theyve got efficiently i dont think they should be given more!!! 
screw all u kants i'm voting ONE NATION.
pauline an the bomb.
Bragi, I totally agree with you mate. It's not your fault or problem when it comes to how much you earn or pay in tax.
I also agree that the people making shitloads on investments and shares and pretty much anyone earning $200k or more need to have their own upper crust tax bracket.
It's suffice to say that there are a LOT.. and I mean a LOT of people making $80k even $500k a year... and taxing them more to give to the lower end of the earners isn't such a bad thing. It wouldn't event affect the rich people's quality of life.
Me personally I am reasonably happy coz I get an ok tax cut. But I am still dissapointed in the parenting scehemes.
Yeah it's good to get that $3000 pay off... but really.. most people have terrible spending habbits.. that money will go on other shit apart from the baby.
What should have been done is maybe less of a payout.. but more support from the government to help finance day care places.. .. so that day care costs coule be less.... coz the day care costs are what make parenting the hardest... especially when both the husband and mother are working full time or close to full time. Day care, depending on where you live, can cost hundreds of dollars a week.
So while the $3000 is nice.. I think it could have been slightly better spent.
I also think that a tax cut for the low income earners should have been a bloody given. In fact that tax free threshold should have gone up by 20 - 30%. But thath's just me.
Scottie
Trance.
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I havent seen or heard the budget, but i think its fucked how we have contributed so much to weapons and sending military into the middle east - which has nothing to do with us - and we are cutting much needed funds for things like health and education.
social security is a bit weird sometimes, giving amounts of money to people that just work the system, and disadvantaging others
that really might need it. maybe a few changes need to take place, but i reckon ppl might just get around them.
to me it always seems as the average guy gets slumped with having to pay this countries debts - the rich get richer, we look after the poor pretty well (maybe too well in some cases); but the middle man, the guy with the family and the mortgage seems to always cop it.
thats my opinion anyway.
*brings this back to normal TA level*
OMG WHY CANT ARMIN BE IN THE BUDGET.
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| Originally posted by lethal The sort of discussions were all having now are what happens in a good democracy, because as people talk about political decisions HOPEFULLY the views of the people will reach the ears of members of parliament (thats what their there for!) and hopefully if theres an issue such as education or health funding in the budget that the people are unhappy with that gets back to the members and they vote no to the budget and the budget changes slightly to reflect the views of the people before getting passed. I hope you dont think im talking down to you matt but you dont seem to realise just how important good political debate is I will say one positive thing about this budget after the very quick perousal ive given it - im glad theres no major increase in funding for the defense forces - until they learn how to spend the money theyve got efficiently i dont think they should be given more!!! |
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| Originally posted by escee The amount of idiocy in this thread is astounding. Voting at the election will be as easy or hard as it was last term. Good economic conditions = Liberal. Good welfare system, health system, uni system = Labour. Wasted votes = Greens, democrats, etc. Personally, ill be voting liberal. Mark latham needs another term as the opposition before he is ready imo. |
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| Maybe you didnt get what I was saying sorry. In your first point, you say they should change it to reflect the views of the people. I know that people in this forum have been saying how the government is 'trying to win votes' with this budget. Doesn't that imply that they are doing what the majority want. As if they were not doing what people wanted, they would be suiciding votes wouldn't they. So by 'trying to win votes', they are doing what the majority want. |
3 lines summing up our entire political system a simplification? NEVER?!?!
ps: im well aware of greens and democrats holding the balance of power in the senate, Im also aware of the fact that people tend to vote for what name they see on the tv the most, andrew bartlett, bob brown?
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| Originally posted by matt_a If they actually wanna do something why don't they activiely go about it, write letters or something, and not just sit back and expect things to go their way. |
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| Originally posted by gumble *brings this back to normal TA level* OMG WHY CANT ARMIN BE IN THE BUDGET. |
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| Originally posted by eRRaTiK screw all u kants i'm voting ONE NATION. pauline an the bomb. |
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Some people really have short memories when it comes to voting at the federal election.
Do you guys remember:
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| Originally posted by Ves hmmmm, i'm really not sure what to think about the whole family focus of it. but i suppose family related policies are not really going to affect me for a long time (i hope!!) |
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