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I love songs that just have small vocal samples, like Andy Hunter - Go (Antillas Mix) or Junkie XL - Red Pill Blue Pill

Just because you write in sentance case and underline your headings doesn't mean that you're a guru on vocal trance. And when you say that Oakenfold - Southern Sun isn't cheesey you obviously don't know what you're talking about.

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Originally posted by Jackson I have the perfect way to make a song super cool and NOT Cheesy. Just through into the Lyrics: "Shout out to the man in the ice cream van" or "Siberia the place to be" and your a sure hit!

"The painted cow"!!!

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Originally posted by Wretched Take the whiny "Baaaaby" out of Oceanlab - Satellite

my thoughts exactly

ATRC vocals aint cheesy

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Originally posted by The Peach boy you people sure are experts on what is and what is not cheese. all i say is if you like it then by god listen to it. fuck who says it's cheese or not.

Exactly, if u enjoy it, listen too it. It doesnt matter what other ppl think of it

A lot of the elitists will smirk when they read this but I think Ian Van Dahl - Try (original album version, not the updated one) is a bloody good track.

Sure it has some cheese elements, mainly the lyrical content but it's no more cheesy than a lot of the other tracks suggested.

Anyone who has not heard the original try mix should check it out. The production is deep and powerful and the melodies are subtle and there isn't vocal overkill. I'm glad I gave it a chance.

How about: Way Out West - Mind Circus

Its kinda borderline like As The Rush Comes. Might lean more toward not cheese.

vocals used to cover up bad productions = cheezeeeeeeeee...vocals that go with amazing productions (y).

example

Delierum - Silence(dj tiesto remix)
(y)

Motercycle - As the rush comes
(n)

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Originally posted by Froofy-D Sorry but Lange - I Believe is cheese. If you use the words "fantasy" and "reality" in back to back verses in a song, Your song is cheese. No questions asked.

most of the time i think vocals are used to cover subpar melodies...

To ensure that the lyrics will never mean anything, I enjoy vocals in foreign languages. That way, the voice is just an instrument. Not really electronic so in many senses it is out of place but I quite enjoy what many people find cheesy so I don't care. Make mine a Chicago Deep Dish.

Harry

A perfect example of cheesey lyric killer is in 'Sun Decade - Follow You'.

'I would follow you, follow you in the meadow where you go and what you do, follow you.'

I presume this female is talking about a bloke. To be quite frank, I'm worried about what this bloke does in the meadow and leading this poor girl astray.

I'm only kidding, but this line does sound, so corny.

If you want evidence of masterful lyric writing, look no further than the bible of Scooter Scooter's Bible Of Lyrics

We can truly learn the art of lyric writing, from a true masters. Maybe I'm a sarcastic b*stard, but I'm not going to change.

i think u forgot to mention 'solarstone - speak in sympathy (original mix0" in quality vocal tracks!!

and (the thrillseekers remix) of sholan - can you feel

I think that generally european (excluding UK) trance is cheesier. It's funny listening to how bad the Ian van Dahl singer is at english! She says "undershtand" instead of "understand"

Re: Vocal Trance - How NOT to make it cheesy?

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Originally posted by Froofy-D Ok there is some really good trance with vocals, but a majority of it is TOTAL CHEZ. DJs and producers listen up, cause I want to start a discussion on exactly how to make your songs CHEESE FREE. First off, let us analyze a few examples: Not cheese: Coast 2 Coast - Home Oakenfold - Southern Sun Chicane - Autumn Tactics, Saltwater Traveller In Motion - Believe (key south rmx) Sholan - Can You Feel Total Cheese: Solid Sessions - Janeiro Fragma - Toca Me (vocal mix) - my vote for the absolute worst vocal mix ever. Way to ruin a decent instrumental. Lange - I Believe Iio - Rapture Motorcycle - as the rush comes ATB - Let You Go

Oddly enough I like about half the tracks you listed in either category. To me it's more about taking each song specifically and as long as the lyrics don't go out of their way to be lame or annoying and as long as the voice singing them has an enjoyable sound to it, I am happy.

One thing I do think should be mentioned is that a lot of it comes down to personal taste.

Another thing to note is that sometimes the vocals being sweeping or melodic is often more important than what they say. I'm trying to think of an example but I guess from your list I would choose ATB's Let U Go (Airplay mix). The way the vocals are done makes it a very enjoyable track for me. I actually haven't even figured out every word she sings but the track just works for me.

It's also works slightly opposite for me in a couple of the Iio songs I've heard (Smooth [Airbase remix] and At the End [Midnight Radio Edit]) are songs I dig even though the vocals can be a bit cheesy or grating at times. Now Rapture [Original Mix]'s vocals actually do flow in with the song's melody pretty nicely and I really enjoy that.


Of course none of the stuff mentioned compares to what I find truly cheesy and annoying which are when you get some little Asian girl singing and it sounds like Alvin and the Chipmunks. I think that's called Happy Hardcore, but what it really is is Obnoxious Cheese.

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Originally posted by highway5 i think u forgot to mention 'solarstone - speak in sympathy (original mix0" in quality vocal tracks!! and (the thrillseekers remix) of sholan - can you feel

YES! Those are both tracks I really enjoy as well! Both flow with the music.

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Originally posted by Froofy-D How about : Way Out West - Mind Circus Its kinda borderline like As The Rush Comes. Might lean more toward not cheese.

The original version with vocals combined with the deep breaks sounds better then the G&D remix...

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Originally posted by d-jay MyTH A lot of the elitists will smirk when they read this but I think Ian Van Dahl - Try (original album version, not the updated one) is a bloody good track. Sure it has some cheese elements, mainly the lyrical content but it's no more cheesy than a lot of the other tracks suggested. Anyone who has not heard the original try mix should check it out. The production is deep and powerful and the melodies are subtle and there isn't vocal overkill. I'm glad I gave it a chance.

"Try" was an excellent production. people automatically say is cheese cuz its made by ian van dahl.

the rob searle remix was awesome.

i just wanted to see the image in action

how can you even consider progressive house mindcircus cheese?

damn you non custom sig TA's

Amoeba Assassin - Piledriver (Greyed out summer mix); I enjoy this track and I think it's a quality vocal trancer.

Mash Up Matt ft. Marcella Woods - Beautiful; this is a good song, but borderline cheesy in my opinion. It's all subjective.

Aurora ft. Naimee Coleman - Ordinary World; this is cheese, I think we can all agree on that.

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Originally posted by SteHay2003 A perfect example of cheesey lyric killer is in 'Sun Decade - Follow You'. 'I would follow you, follow you in the meadow where you go and what you do, follow you.' I presume this female is talking about a bloke. To be quite frank, I'm worried about what this bloke does in the meadow and leading this poor girl astray. If you want evidence of masterful lyric writing, look no further than the bible of Scooter Scooter's Bible Of Lyrics

That's the funniest post i've read in a long time. Also i looked at the scooter page. What's disturbing is it took 4 ppl to write those lyrics.


ZEBRAS CROSSING THE STREET
Leaving the whole week behind,
stop the trouble, open your mind.
Is this the life you want to live?
Clear up your mind, zebras crossing the street,
loosing control, everything is in your hand.
Running around, down the street,
buying some frozen food, put it in a fridge.

I want you back for the rhythm attack, coming down on the floor like a maniac
I want you back for the rhythm attack, get down in full effect!
I want you back for the rhythm attack, coming down on the floor like a maniac
I want you back, so clean up the dish
By the way, How much is the fish ?!!

A good vocal song will give you goosebumps.

Example: Silence with Sarah M

Here's a song:

4 Strings - Diving.

The full vocal version, somewhat cheesy, but mainly, PLAYED OUT on 93.1 down here.

Now the instrumental one.....PvD threw that down @ Columbiahallen in '02....now THAT was sweet.


I say to make songs less cheesy, leave in very few or no vocals at all. Make them faint or echo.

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Originally posted by SteHay2003 A perfect example of cheesey lyric killer is in 'Sun Decade - Follow You'. 'I would follow you, follow you in the meadow where you go and what you do, follow you.' I presume this female is talking about a bloke. To be quite frank, I'm worried about what this bloke does in the meadow and leading this poor girl astray. I'm only kidding, but this line does sound, so corny. If you want evidence of masterful lyric writing, look no further than the bible of Scooter Scooter's Bible Of Lyrics We can truly learn the art of lyric writing, from a true masters. Maybe I'm a sarcastic b*stard, but I'm not going to change.

I'm pretty sure it says "...and no matter where you go and what you do".

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