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Originally posted by nycionx so u can have music on vinyls...cds...but wut about just plain hard drive? thats even easier and u can fit like alllll ur songs on it. 1 hard drive instead of 200 cds/vinyls. so isnt it possible to do that? isnt it better?

That's what final scratch is. It's where you use software to hook up songs from a laptop on a hard drive to real vinyl using turntables that allow you to play the songs off the laptop on the two vinyl.

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Originally posted by Arcticboy Jon, good to see you haven't lost your sarcastic touch, hehehe.

...and boy do I miss it.

haha I guess I have to tone it down seeing as I just made the biggest ass out of myself on this board.ever.

a hundred bows to mr. dresden

I'm a noob DJ, but for my set-up I have 2 turntables, and I plan on getting a CD Player, but I dont want to do laptop DJing, it just doesn't feel right. If the song you're spinning ain't out on vinyl, just load it on a CDR, why go with the laptop, other than some of that fancy shit on there which I don't know about.

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Originally posted by DarkAngel If the song you're spinning ain't out on vinyl, just load it on a CDR, why go with the laptop, other than some of that fancy shit on there which I don't know about.

not every setup has a good pair of CD decks. Final scratch unit is simply the A/D convertor, 2 vinyls that have digital time stamps that the laptop recognizes and plays the corresponding digital audio.

Final scratch is the solution for setups that ONLY have turntables. Not all the clubs have proper setups so this is why Stanton decided to come up with a solution.

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Originally posted by nycionx so u can have music on vinyls...cds...but wut about just plain hard drive? thats even easier and u can fit like alllll ur songs on it. 1 hard drive instead of 200 cds/vinyls. so isnt it possible to do that? isnt it better?

how about a memory stick with 100's/1000's of tracks that you can plug in anywhere you go ...? no heavy carrying of vinyls, just fits in your back pocket!

...but no matter how good digital sound is, i still like the warm, original sound you get off vinyls. besides i like watching a dj behind a set of decks rather than a comp!

With Final Scratch, all of your songs go on the hard drive.

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Originally posted by disko-kandi how about a memory stick with 100's/1000's of tracks that you can plug in anywhere you go ...? no heavy carrying of vinyls, just fits in your back pocket! ...but no matter how good digital sound is, i still like the warm, original sound you get off vinyls. besides i like watching a dj behind a set of decks rather than a comp!

good idea but you still have to have the final scratch software on a computer hooked up as well... so you're going to be carrying around a laptop anyway

The biggest revolution for Dj'ing was the introduction of the CDJ 1000, IMO. They are starting to work out any bugs, and it's only a matter of time before they incorporate a built in hard drive that will allow you to upload MP3's. This will be great for the "travelling" Dj, who can carry around a laptop full of music, and then upload it directly to the player. I honestly feel that this is the wave of the future.

There's nothing wrong with Final Scratch at all. I don't think that the interface is as good as the CDJ 1000 though. Does anyone know if final scratch allows you to create loops on the fly?

Another great little option for CD Dj's is the new Technics option. If you guys haven't seen it, check it out:

http://www.panasonic.com/consumer_e...es_sldz1200.asp

CD dj'ing is huge right now, and I think that this will be where most innovations in DJ'ing come.. but hey, this is just my opinion.

Whatever happens, it is nice to see that DJ'ing is growing and the innovations are amazing.

i dont like the idea of laptop djing, for 2 reasons.

1: i bought a pair of techs in january, so i want to be able to use them for a while.

2: CDs/Mp3s dont sound as nice and think as vinyl.

anyone remember that scene in one of the Batman movies where he scratches that CD?

classic

I would laugh if PVD played a set and all of a sudden we heard the AIM "open door" or "closed door" sound

Here are my opinions on the subject:

a) I've heard PVD use FS one time, and it was absolutely awesome. The stuff he mixed in just couldn't be done by mere mortals using vinyl. I heard him another time and the sound quality totally sucked - we couldn't even tell what he was spinning sometimes. It was at Space in Miami, so we know the sound system rocks, and the DJs before and after sounded great. Apparently there is an issue with the actual hardware (the circular amp) that FS uses that can cause it to interfere with the phono outputs causing distortion/ balance issues under certain circumstances. My techie friends tell me that they don't know what causes it, but it appears and disappears on its own and at Space, it caused a huge problem. If PVD and the techs at Space can't fix it, it is a bigger issue than I personally want to deal with.

b) the New Rane Serato Scratch system uses different components to help on the hardware side of things. The reviews I have heard have made it sound like a better hardware set-up.

c) until a month ago, Final Scratch had to run on a Linux platform on a PC... that meant having two operating systems installed (if you also use Windows) and it is essentially unstable. I know a lot of people who refer to it as "FInal Crash" - and nothing is more death to a DJ than dead air while you reboot your laptop. The newest version (released in March) runs on XP, but I have yet to read any reviews.

d) Both verions now allow you to use CDs instead of vinyl, if you prefer one over the other (CDs are included with the Rane system, you need to buy them as extra with FS.)

e) If you are running your turntables through the FS amp, you cannot also play normal vinyl. Tiesto would tell you the story of playing at Gatecrasher right after PVD and just putting his vinyl for Traffic on the turntable. They actually had to stop the song half-way through because it sounded so bad... they had forgotten to unplug PVDs FS amp. (technically, it is the same as plugging a turntable into a "line-in" jack instead of a "phono-in") Tiesto was apparently very pissed.

f) If you plan on playing in a club - or anywhere with a good sound system, most MP3s aint going to cut it. PVD and the pros use the original quality Wav files (or their Apple equivalents). They are huge in size though. They buy vinyl or CDs and make a direct transfer... or they download high quality (purchased) sound files from stores such at Toronto's own Release Records that sell trance and other electronic files via download online

g) the debate on vinyl vs. digital continues. From what i read, most people would say that brand-spanking new vinyl does actually sound better. After 4 (count 'em four) plays, they grooves degrade to a point where the digital files start gaining on 'em.

h) err... that's it. Can you tell I've been doing some research.

I decided to buy the Rane system - specifically because of hardware complaints and the crashing of FS. It's about $150 more though, so you may want to do your own research.

I embrace technology in every part of my life... why would DJing be any different. Otherwise, we'd be sendign each other postcards written on parchment with quills. The world evolves and we evolve with it. (or get left behind.)

Chris

personal preference is that i would rather switch vinyls or cds after every mix rather than have the same two vinyl/cds sitting on/in the players and having to occasionally turn them over just to find time requirements and only do the controling from a laptop... this is if i havent got the idea of final scracth wrong....

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