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I think EDM is becoming more popular these days than it was in the past... I mean, I still kinda laugh when people want to hear "Beautiful Things" by Ti�sto (they must have heard it off Nyana or something :rolleyes but that demonstrates what kind of people who are coming in...

I too am not a huge fan of the people who come out to parties and cause trouble, start fights or do the "stomp" and "fist in the air routine" but it's a reflection of the popularity of the type of music we like.

Someone mentioned something about "vibe" in an earlier thread. My definition of that is going to Stereo or Aria in Montr�al. I'm not knocking the Toronto scene in any way but if you want a crowd with 90% of the people who are truly there for the music, go about 5 hours east along the 401.

Boa is the closest thing to that "vibe" I felt when I saw Satoshi Tomiie in Feb there. My ultimate experience was seeing Sander Kleinenberg @ Stereo last August, that was a VIBE

Poser: an individual who pretends to be someone who they truly aren't

Elitest: an individual who doesn't associate with "lower" social groups or classes

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Originally posted by Flec if your there just for the dj and the music, stay at home and buy some mix cds

yeah right

I AM knocking the Toronto crowd..

Most of us need a kick in the head

We need more energy in the clubs and more interaction and LESS ATTITUDE.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 I AM knocking the Toronto crowd.. Most of us need a kick in the head We need more energy in the clubs and more interaction and LESS ATTITUDE.

Typically the biggest posers are the ones who post on message boards about how much they hate "posers".

Start naming these cities you've partied in that have better and more friendly crowds than Toronto (this is going to be funny).

I've partied in alot of different cities extensively all over the world and I can tell you that Toronto brings out one of the best crowds of any city on the global clubbing circuit. I know a ton of people that drive up to 8 hours just cause they like to party in Toronto. The people in TO are cool; there's no attitude; everybody wants to have a good time; and the crowd is diverse.

-Your Mother

Lets see.... miami, new york, La, Buenos Aires, Iguacu Brazil, Rome, Amsterdam, Copenhagen and Stockholm to name a few.

Paris had stinky attitude but that was a lot to do with the fact that they thought i was american.

As for accusing me of being a poser?

BAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

Sorry but most (not all) toronto crowds have serious social phobia and movie star mentalities...

As for actual clubs... some toronto clubs are definately top and world class. Same with the music in some of the clubs here. But the crowds generally need a good head shake.

Well, as far as the ppl go, that's been fairly over-covered in this thread. What I really wanted to focus on was the clubs themselves, especially with the push of bigger venues and sound-systems lately.

I don't think there is enough $$$$ in the Toronto massive to afford all these great parties, and ppl are joing to get pretty selective, so not all the venues will be here come fall, or next summer.

Who do you think will survive the year?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Lets see.... miami, new york, La, Buenos Aires, Iguacu Brazil, Rome, Amsterdam, Copenhagen and Stockholm to name a few.

miami, new york, La
- you've got to be fucking joking here. I've lived in 2 of these cities (NY, LA) and partied alot in Miami. LA and Miami are full of people that are too into themselves to know any better. The club scene in LA has only taken off over the past 4 years or so and LA is very much a see-or-be-seen type crowd. The same goes for Miami. The city is full of barbie dolls who bring a case of make-up with them when they go to the club... if it wasn't for the wmc, nobody would give a fuck about Miami. New York is cool and has alot of good clubs, but the vibes still pale in comparison in Toronto. Start naming clubs in these cities with crowds that are better than your average TO crowd. It should make for a good laugh.

Buenos Aires, Iguacu Brazil
- I wouldn't be surprised if the typical Brazilian vibe is as good or better than TO. People from Brazil love life and are very fun to party with. My friend Tomas used to rave about Pacha and always tells me to go there when I get the chance. He also likes TO though because the people are open, laid back, and fun to talk to.

Amsterdam
- The MDMA capital of the world... fun to party in, but London is much better.

Rome, Stockholm, Copenhagen
- These have never really been known as big clubbing cities. I dated a swedish girl in London and she never seemed to care for what Sweden had to offer in the way of clubs. She would rather party in London any day of the week because of the variety of clubs and the variety of people. And being someone whose lived in London, most of the vibes aren't as good as a top TO vibe.

-Your Mother

Ive always had a great time and met lots of people when ive gone to NYC. I didnt find the same kind of princess attitude from the girls nor did i get bad vibes from any of the guys walking around.

LA: well you have to choose wisely. If you hang out with all the movie star types you are going to get attitude. But, i went to a few clubs there and it was really chilled and not full of attitude.

Miami, again it depends where you go. But even in SOBE it was posers and partiers. It all depended on where u went. I found it to be an even 50/50 split.

Toronto definately has a nice aspect of a party scene and some decent crowds. But, these are increasingly few and far between. the vast majority here are now definately in the poser category. You get all types everywhere but what im saying is that Toronto has way more attitude and posers than most other places.

As for your comment about Stockholm etc. Ask anyone in the world about Toronto and they will not consider it a major clubbing city. And compared to London (which was pretty good as well i might add) most cities are not that major.

Even though I think there is a push for the money crowd, I don't find the social aspect is lacking in Toronto.

I just find it becoming a bit on the materialistic side is the main thing I am getting @. Clubs moving forward with dress codes, the crowd wearing slacks, dress shoes, slip dresses and heels.. etc... just doesn't feel like a party to me.

Maybe it can be chalked up to the aging of the original party-populace in this city, or the fact that clubbing is more like the disco age these days.... about the decedance as much as the music..

That said, I'm a one-man party, so none of it bothers me, just something I've observed over the past six months.

Forget about the city-by-city comparisons, Toronto is great, and world class, I just don't like the idea that some ppl are 'lower class' in the scene, just because they don't like Gucci, Prada, and Deisel.

Thats what im talking about though.... in my travels people do wear the expensive clothes but they go out to have fun and party and actually arent afraid of getting sweaty and messing their "look" up by the end of the night.

It seems to me that most club cultures know they are cool while most people in Toronto havnt convinced themselves that they are and seek approval from others. This is why you have so many "try hards" here.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Sorry but Toronto crowds today are pretty bottom barrel as far as im concerned.

You can tell you spend a lot of time at Guv.

actually some of the best toronto crowds ive seen were at guv...

Im talking about 90% of the clubs in Toronto where all people do is pose in Von Dutch and listen to radio music.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 actually some of the best toronto crowds ive seen were at guv... Im talking about 90% of the clubs in Toronto where all people do is pose in Von Dutch and listen to radio music.

You would be very hard-pressed to find anyone on this board that frequents the "clubs" you're describing. Simply put, they're fucking awful. Full of Gino's and plastically enhanced barbie-dolls. Contrary to popular believe, but those aren't real clubs. They cater to a specific group of people in TO that has no clue what good music is. If you're opinion of TO clubs is based on these places, then you need to spend more time at real clubs. Like System on Friday nights, or Guv/Boa on Saturday nights... if you have one, jump in a time machine and rewind to 1998 and hang out at Industry for a while or even Turbo. Hit up the docks when a good headliner is spinning and you'll feel like your part of a community of people solely their to have fun.

-Your Mother

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Originally posted by crazedcanuck That said, I'm a one-man party

GOLD!

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Im talking about 90% of the clubs in Toronto where all people do is pose in Von Dutch and listen to radio music.

and what is the solution to this 'problem' .. ??

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Originally posted by Jayx1 actually some of the best toronto crowds ive seen were at guv... Im talking about 90% of the clubs in Toronto where all people do is pose in Von Dutch and listen to radio music.

I think that number of clubs has drastically reduced since the late 90's, and our scene blew up... more like 40-50% these days, especially with the death of top 40 clubs.. although R&B and Hip-hop themed places have certainly made up for it.

Cataclysmic said it nice, why do u have to care about posers, elitist, and so on.

Personally i go to the party for couple of reasons, music, ladies, good times, and of course meet some new people and im cool with everybody untill something (or somebody) ticks me off.

Am i a poser???

well i really enjoy the music, almost every time i dance my ass off, i like to interact with people, BUT if it's not my night, if i dont feel the music, if some drugged out fuck bothers me or my friends or my ladyfriends or my sister and her friends of course im not gonna be all smiles and happiness, i'll drink my beer, i'll chill, i'll be checking out the crowd. Is that posing ?? If it is then i dont know what to tell you, i cannot force myself to enjoy if i dont feel like it, and i live 100 km's from TO so i cannot go home that easily cause im almost always with somebody and i dont want to screw up their night.

Do i care about posers?

As long as they dont fuck up my night, then NO, everybody is free to do whatever they want, to go wherever they wanna go.

What is gonna happen to the scene?

Hell, i have no idea, we'll have to wait and see, but im sure that not me, not any of you (unless you have some connections, and can get night in the club for yourself, and then pick the crowd that you like) can do much about it but to stay home, or separate yourself and your friends from the rest of the crowd (and LOTS of people do that, and i dont find it very cool). But, to each his (or hers) own. Bigger clubs, better sound systems - GOOD! And what in the name of God is wrong with plastically enhanced barbie-dolls, they dont do it to make themselfs uglier. And pretty is pretty, natural or not , PRETTY IS PRETTY and there is nothing more beautifull in the world than a beautifull woman (ok, there is - beautifull woman who can dance).

But that's just me.

p.s. the BEST crowd and the BEST vibe is in the BREAKS rooms and in my opinion there should be a big-ass club playing only breaks (if there is one please let me know)

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Originally posted by Your Mother You would be very hard-pressed to find anyone on this board that frequents the "clubs" you're describing. Simply put, they're fucking awful. Full of Gino's and plastically enhanced barbie-dolls. Contrary to popular believe, but those aren't real clubs. They cater to a specific group of people in TO that has no clue what good music is. If you're opinion of TO clubs is based on these places, then you need to spend more time at real clubs. Like System on Friday nights, or Guv/Boa on Saturday nights... if you have one, jump in a time machine and rewind to 1998 and hang out at Industry for a while or even Turbo. Hit up the docks when a good headliner is spinning and you'll feel like your part of a community of people solely their to have fun. -Your Mother

Yeah but the same people that go to those places that we don't consider real clubs also frequent Guv or other parties of that type because it's the "cool" thing to do. I felt like that at Tiesto at the Docks. Sure people were having fun and that's all well and good but it felt contrived, it took away from the experience I was having slightly. Possibly because of how those certain types of people party? I dunno, I just hung out with TAs and some friends and had a fun time but it never blew me away or anything. Parties that did?
Labour of Love 2002, PvD 01 (both times), PvD 02, Ultraspin 1, Viva 1 year etc. I dunno, maybe I've just become jaded? Meh.

who put the t-dot back on the map? now tell me that!

hah in all seriousness, I don't care about 90% of the clubs, but I do care about the other 10%, as those are my locals. And in that respect, the people there are the best in the world.

I party every fucking weekend in one of the club capitals of the world, and I would give anything to see the toronto crew back in action. We light it up nicely, in my opinion.

Again, my problem isnt with the clubs themselves or the music. (except that good clubs in Toronto are less and less) And YES i used to LOVE toronto back in 1998 when it came to parties and clubs. But today you have basically 2 options per night if you are lucky. Guv, System or Boa with the odd small small venue. These clubs are great but when all u have are a few options per night, something is dead wrong. Plus, tell me a good place to go on a Friday unless System happens to bring in the right dj? Answer: NOT MUCH!

Also, ask anyone. People here are known for being conservative and stuck up. Especially the women. Im not saying ALL women here are this way but MOST (more than whats normal) are.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 People here are known for being conservative and stuck up. Especially the women. Im not saying ALL women here are this way but MOST (more than whats normal) are.

we hav our answer folks! now i understand why ur so upset..

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