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Originally posted by SPANIARD 99% sure this will be the Spanish Squad based on every aspect. GK:Casillas, Canizares, Aranzubia DF: Salgado, Manuel Pablo, Marchena, Helguera, Raul Bravo, Puyol MF: Baraja, Albelda, Xavi, Xabi Alonso, Joaquin, Exteberria, Vicente, Luque, Reyes, Valeron FW: Raul, Morientes, Torres, Mista Honestly I don't think it's that bad of a team. If only we had a true Left Back (which we do but Saez doesn't want one it seems :rolleyes, then we could be a 100% solid all around team. With that midfield anything is possible though....

No Del Horno ? Natural replacement imo

and i forgot salgado from mine (oops) but I'd like to see Salva go as the in form striker

Yeah but I think Saez wants to bring in players with Caps in those types of positions. I can see him bringing Mista because of his performance today and reading articles of hearing him talk so good about his form. Salva kind of wasted his chance vs. Denmark, although it was kind of unfair since it was only 45 minutes, plus I think Tamudo or Mista would be better considering their form.

The only thing that still gets to me is Raul Bravo in the team and it's even more surprising that Del Horno isn't since Saez is Basque.

I can understand that he wants experience, but in Del Horno's case, he's in form this whole season, attracting interest from barca and playing consistently well, that should be what a player is chosen for, and to pick sum1 like Bravo ahead of him is a bad move imho. We could use to borrow one of the spanish wingers tho, u got Reyes, Vicente and Yeste who would all get in the england side for left mid

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Originally posted by The Darklord He wasn't even used in WCH 2002... and his season wasn't the best either. I'm not surprised that he didn't make it to the last 23.

To be fair he was only 19 then. But it doesn't surprise me he's been left out this time, he's been a massive disappointment for Newcastle, considering he was "European Young Player of the Year" a couple of years back. You wouldn't think it when you look at him in the Premiership.

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Originally posted by SPANIARD 99% sure this will be the Spanish Squad based on every aspect. GK:Casillas, Canizares, Aranzubia DF: Salgado, Manuel Pablo, Marchena, Helguera, Raul Bravo, Puyol MF: Baraja, Albelda, Xavi, Xabi Alonso, Joaquin, Exteberria, Vicente, Luque, Reyes, Valeron FW: Raul, Morientes, Torres, Mista Honestly I don't think it's that bad of a team. If only we had a true Left Back (which we do but Saez doesn't want one it seems ), then we could be a 100% solid all around team. With that midfield anything is possible though....

Information at www.diarioas.es. Tomorrow at 12:00 Spain hour the definitive list.

GK: Casillas, Ca�izares & Aranzubia

DF: Salgado, Helguera, Marchena, Puyol, Cesar, Raul Bravo & Gabri.

MF: Albelda, Baraja, Xabi Alonso, Xavi, Etxeberria, Joaquin, Vicente, Luque.

FW: Raul, Morientes, Torres, Valeron.


And there is another place that is in doubt: Juanito, Reyes or Mista... Tomorrow the definitive list.

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Originally posted by jlosada Information at www.diarioas.es. Tomorrow at 12:00 Spain hour the definitive list. GK: Casillas, Ca�izares & Aranzubia DF: Salgado, Helguera, Marchena, Puyol, Cesar, Raul Bravo & Gabri. MF: Albelda, Baraja, Xabi Alonso, Xavi, Etxeberria, Joaquin, Vicente, Luque. FW: Raul, Morientes, Torres, Valeron. And there is another place that is in doubt: Juanito, Reyes or Mista... Tomorrow the definitive list.

The definitive list:

SPAIN

GK: Casillas (R Madrid), Ca�izares (Valencia CF), Aranzubia (Ath Bilbao).

DF: Ra�l Bravo (R Madrid), Gabri (FC Barcelona), Juanito (R Betis), Helguera (R Madrid), Marchena (Valencia CF), C�sar (Deportivo A Coru�a), Puyol (FC Barcelona), Michel Salgado (R Madrid)

MF: Albelda (Valencia CF), Xabi Alonso (R Sociedad), Baraja (Valencia CF), Joaqu�n (R Betis), Valer�n (Deportivo A Coru�a), Xavi (FC Barcelona), Vicente (Valencia CF)

FW: Ra�l (R Madrid), Luque (Deportivo A Coru�a), Morientes (AS Monaco), Fernando Torres (At Madrid), Etxeberr�a (Ath Bilbao)

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Originally posted by evil_bastard To be fair he was only 19 then. But it doesn't surprise me he's been left out this time, he's been a massive disappointment for Newcastle, considering he was "European Young Player of the Year" a couple of years back. You wouldn't think it when you look at him in the Premiership.

mmmkay, to be honest, he was injured during a part of the season, and then Robson didn't give him much chances. And, as paranoik0 pointed out, he'll be in the U-21 ECH.

Oh... and I'm not very sure of the countries of which the Latvian players play in, so expect for some mistakes there

ugh dark i'm sorry but that thing you're doing on the first page is damn ugly to read

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Originally posted by The Darklord mmmkay, to be honest, he was injured during a part of the season, and then Robson didn't give him much chances. And, as paranoik0 pointed out, he'll be in the U-21 ECH.

I don't remember any major injuries, he mainly just lacked match fitness.

Viana complained for a lot of the season that he didn't get a chance in the side, that his lack of first team football would get him dropped for Portugal and I actually had quite a lot of sympathy for him. Towards the end of the season Newcastle were hit with simultaneous injuries through our squad and we began to call on our reserve players. Viana was given a good run of games in his favourite position and did nothing against some of the Premiership's poorer sides. He looked completely out of his depth in the UEFA Cup semi-final against Marseille and gave Marseille their first goal by completely missing an easy header which put through Drogba.

Unfortunately he is too slow for the Premiership, can't tackle, can't head the ball, and lacks commitment and effort. People used to say 'but his passing and vision is potentially world class' - unfortunately his passing has been very poor this season, although his game has become slightly more physical.

The only reason Newcastle are keeping him is because he cost 8.5M. If we sold him now we'd get maybe 2M, which isn't really worth it. We may as well keep him for another year, maybe he will improve or his market value might will rise if he is good for Portugal under-21s. I think he could do well in the Italian or Spanish league but the English league doesn't suit his style.

hugo viana & postiga are very good at older championshipmanager(00/01 & 01/02)..and they get VERY after some seasons...cm is almost always right, so like the rest of the talents cm discovers they probably will come trough!
im serious... i totaly believe in cm!

look at daniel braathen then marc dawn, we got a good player in a few years then .


also you should know the new cm is mostly random on talents, if you look in the database they give talents -2 wich will give the talents skill points from 160 to 190 randomly.

im talking about cm 00/01 & 01/02(as i said)... cm 4 and 03/04 sucks BIG time!!!
just look at the norwegian club sparta sarpsborg...and that 15 year old guy from Roma (i got him to vaalerenga..not suposed to happen)!!
braathen is good in reality, after all he was on the edge of a trensfer to0 Lens...but he's to lazy!

i know there is random skills...that means that u can't buy them in every file
and the players u can by in very file u make is the real talents

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Originally posted by evil_bastard I don't remember any major injuries, he mainly just lacked match fitness.

Sorry, my bad I read an interview he gave to a Portuguese football magazine in the beginning of the season and thought he said it some weeks ago.

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Originally posted by evil_bastard Unfortunately he is too slow for the Premiership, can't tackle, can't head the ball, and lacks commitment and effort. People used to say 'but his passing and vision is potentially world class' - unfortunately his passing has been very poor this season, although his game has become slightly more physical.

I think Newcastle may have bought him a little too early; if they had waited for at least 1-2 years, perhaps he could have developed a little bit better. I remember that in December he was supposed to be loaned to Sporting, but that deal didn't go on, dunno why.
I really don't know why am I defending him, after all he came from the rival club (he's portuguese, I'm portuguese, bla bla bla), but truth to be told, Sporting has a very good school of players, as they produced Quaresma (waiting to know if he stays at Barcelona), Cristiano Ronaldo (in Man Utd, swimming in money and sometimes making decent games) and Viana.

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Originally posted by paranoik0 ugh dark i'm sorry but that thing you're doing on the first page is damn ugly to read

Ah, shut up and read it, or else I'll spank you, you naughty boy

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Originally posted by The Darklord I think Newcastle may have bought him a little too early; if they had waited for at least 1-2 years, perhaps he could have developed a little bit better. I remember that in December he was supposed to be loaned to Sporting, but that deal didn't go on, dunno why.

You're probably right. As far as I can remember there were big clubs sniffing around Viana at the time because of his euro young player award. Juventus were one of those interested, I think Valencia as well, and he was far more likely to go to them than us. I assume that's why we pushed the deal early and put up so much money.

In January he asked if he could go to Sporting Lisbon for the rest of the season and Bobby agreed. But at the last minute Bobby changed his mind because one of our midfielders picked up an injury (Bowyer iirc?). Many Newcastle fans (myself included) were angry at that because Viana was getting no chances at Newcastle and a loan spell could do him a lot of good. Bobby said he was keeping him in case of injuries, but Newcastle would need to lose three central midfielders before Viana would get a game and that didn't seem likely. In retrospect perhaps Bobby's decision was correct, because those three midfielders all fell injured in a week, and in stepped Viana.

I've watched Viana playing for Portugal under-21s and he has been impressive, I can see why the Portuguese like him. When we bought him it seemed like a very exciting signing, but I am beginning to lose hope on him. I don't think he has been given a fair chance at Newcastle, but I think he could have done better when he was played this season.

I was disappointed to see he'd been left out of the Portugal squad (although I half-expected it), because a good Euro 2004 might have raised his confidence, or on the other hand raise his market value...

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Originally posted by evil_bastard Viana complained for a lot of the season that he didn't get a chance in the side, that his lack of first team football would get him dropped for Portugal and I actually had quite a lot of sympathy for him. Towards the end of the season Newcastle were hit with simultaneous injuries through our squad and we began to call on our reserve players. Viana was given a good run of games in his favourite position and did nothing against some of the Premiership's poorer sides. He looked completely out of his depth in the UEFA Cup semi-final against Marseille and gave Marseille their first goal by completely missing an easy header which put through Drogba. The only reason Newcastle are keeping him is because he cost 8.5M. If we sold him now we'd get maybe 2M, which isn't really worth it. We may as well keep him for another year, maybe he will improve or his market value might will rise if he is good for Portugal under-21s. I think he could do well in the Italian or Spanish league but the English league doesn't suit his style.

it would help if "sir" bobby played him in the right position, ...... he's most def. not a winger, where he's been forced to play.
and in the few games he's been given a run in the center, he's shown glipses of what he's capable of.
i actually heard a commentator say this year that hugo "was playing in central midfield, not in his usual or favored "winger" role"??
that's what's actually happened.... they've played him out position for so long that people think he's a winger????

you mention games in which he's faltered, but none in which he shined. did you happen to see the home game vs. chelsea?? hugo played very well, and newcastle won the game without dyer & jenas (who bobby seems to think are almost infallible)

bobby is too loyal to his favorites and it's starting to show that todays game is passing him by.
we can certainly agree on one thing, the english game is not the best fit for hugo's game. here's hoping (for his sake) that he plays elsewhere next season.

No Newcastle fans have ever seen him as a winger, many of us have grown restless of Bobby's favouritism and playing centre mids as wingers (Viana and Bowyer espescially). Bobby wholly deserves his fine reputation but he is not above criticism and certainly not above the club, and he is regularly criticised for the above.

Viana has finally been given his chance in centre-mid this season and he has struggled. His ability lies in his reading of the game, spraying passes around the park and intelligent through balls to the strikers, as well as a decent efforts on goal. But this season his passing has been shoddy and he seems to require far too much time on the ball for a centre mid in the Premiership. The Chelsea game was a great team effort and Viana had a decent game. Unfortunately he was poor against Man City (to be fair the whole team were), consistently gave the ball away in the first leg against Marseille and less said about his second leg performance the better.

I would say, like Jenas, he has gone backwards this season. Perhaps it's a dip in form, young players have them. I'm willing to give him another season but it really will be a make or break year for his career. One thing that does anger Newcastle fans is his apparent apathy when given the chance to play which he so desperately begs for in press interviews. Marseille was a massive game for him and his club, a good display in Europe would have seriously helped his Euro 04 ambitions, let alone the fact he was playing for the chance to be in a European final. He seemed half asleep for most of the game and when Bowyer replaced him midway through the second half you could see the difference, here was a player with fire in his belly, keen to make an impact, relishing it.

Bowyer is a good example because, like Viana, he too is a centre mid whose few chances came on the wing. The difference is Bowyer didn't complain, he got on with it. Bowyer was subject to far harsher criticism than Viana ever has been before he even kicked a ball for Newcastle. He, like Viana, has had limited opportunities in a season blighted by injuries. His performances on the wing have been similar to Viana, he's either cut inside too often or disappeared for much of the game. But unlike Viana, when he got his chances in centre mid he made an immediate impact. He has finally won over the sceptical fans with some excellent late season performances, coming back and scoring two goals in two games before setting up Ameobi's goal against Liverpool with an excellent through ball. Three chances, three top-notch performances. Not only that, but he has got back and defended for the cause, emerging as a box to box player who can score, provide, and defend. Now people are beginning to consider him as a regular centre mid next season. Viana has never showed that kind of determination to break his way into the side, and that is what is pissing people off.

Dam! I didnt notice that Russia didnt make it in the sweet 16. That sucks arse. I know they weren't gonna win it - but come on, Denmark and Latvia made it, what a shame ...

Portugal or France will win it.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Dam! I didnt notice that Russia didnt make it in the sweet 16.

they did. count again.

Meh, I should be updating the damn thread with the new replacements... but I'm lazy as hell. Will do all that crap in June 2.

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Originally posted by Ian^ since I've watched la liga for 2-3 years now im just gonna speculate at the spanish squad & see how close i get GK Casillas, Canizares, Molina DF Puyol, Del Horno, Helguera, That bald deportivo guy i think manuel pablo is his name , Raul Bravo (if fit) +2 who i cant think of MF Vicente, Joaquin, Reyes, Baraja, Albeilda (sp) Xavi, Extzeberria, Valeron FW Raul, Morientes, Fernando Torres, Mista, Salvador Ballesta, Diego Tristan, Luque - so many to choose from lets see if i get half of it right EDIT - I'd like to See Xabi Alonso & Yeste in too

Ian, I dunno about you but I love Sky's coverage of La Liga, Gerry Armstrong's quality, he works with 2 other commentators and they are all brilliant at commentating, very underrated, spanish football is class, so skillful! that Real Sociedad game was awesome... Sociedad have an amazing bunch of players, shame they underperformed this year

Cheers,

look at the England squad. PMSL. it comes to the point where Dyer is in the squad, what next? Jenas?

Looking at the England forwards we have available. Vassel and Heskey

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Originally posted by Turner look at the England squad. PMSL. it comes to the point where Dyer is in the squad, what next? Jenas? Looking at the England forwards we have available. Vassel and Heskey

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Little Update:
Because Ludovic Giuly has been injured during the final of CL, Sidney Govou will replace him in the french line-up for euro 2004.

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Oh well, so much for updates.

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