It seems Toronto is not alone in its woes

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Posted by Your Mother on May-19-2004 18:29:

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH
I didn't bother looking at San Francisco. But the fact that our lineup through till july looks better than Miami's says something (even if it's just a slightly bit better). NY's isn't that far off either. And I never said that Toronto is the best at it on a weekly basis, but at certain times we can easily hold our own (like the time that I'm talking about. Now->early July). Obviously on a yearly basis Toronto can't really compare, especially to Miami and the WMC.

And Jon, comparing Toronto to Chicago is really outlandish from what my buddy, as well as a TA, has been telling me (he moved here from Chicago).

Fair enough. Outside of the wmc, Miami has never really been known for bringing in consistent talent. The truth is that they don't need to. Everybody is into the club scene out there so people will go regardless of who is spinning.

As for your Chicago comparison, are you saying TO is better or worse? I've actually never partied there, but as far as I know Chicago can't compare (is this what your implying?). I know the Spundae crew that throws their weekly party at Vision, and Red No 5 used to be good (not sure if its still open though). I reckon Chicago has gone the way of Detroit in terms of clubs (ie. non-existant).

-Your Mother

Posted by Jayx1 on May-19-2004 19:43:

When Toronto can have a creamfields type festival and draw 30,000 people for a huge ass party with an amazing vibe... then i will consider it a world class scene. Until then we have guv, system and boa and viva for the surburban folks. (except boa needs a liquor licence)

Posted by infinity HiGH on May-20-2004 02:12:

Posted by crazedcanuck on May-20-2004 02:43:

Jayx1, the city has more than enough events 7 days a week right now.

Many of them are known to those who simply are involved heavily in the scene and their friends. Not every night out is about hundreds of people and intl djs in the scene. There is a lot of talent in this city, much of it found in the Monday to Thursday events, where it's a bit more relaxed, and a handfull of people, who truly love the music.

Posted by avikonen on May-20-2004 02:51:

I live in New York City. You complainers have no idea what you have in Toronto. Things are just starting to get better here:

This week in we have Satoshi and Tom Stephan at 2 of the best clubs in the city Spirit and Crobar.

In June we have Sasha and Deep Dish coming the June 18 weekend.

Paul Van Dyk plays at Central Park on June 25.

The NYC scene is slowly rebuilding itself but it will probably never compare to how cool Toronto's EDM scene is for various societal and political reasons. I would drool to have a club like Boa in NYC with a soundsystem and super friendly cool crowd to match.

I'm coming up for Freedom and am really looking forward to it

Posted by infinity HiGH on May-20-2004 03:05:

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Originally posted by avikonen
I'm coming up for Freedom and am really looking forward to it

...and how often do you find a party like Freedom in NY?

Posted by dEsidEL on May-20-2004 03:08:

Posted by avikonen on May-20-2004 03:21:

I have never seen a party like Freedom in NYC or in the US for that matter. There is not a club big enough or the pull enough to make it happen. The closest to a mega event I can think of is Cochella in California or Burning Man in Nevada. I have heard the scene in Las Vegas is getting better and better. Time will tell if this becomes clubland in the US>

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH
...and how often do you find a party like Freedom in NY?

Posted by fastmp3 on May-20-2004 04:40:

no one mentioned Montreal ... with our crazy partying hours and legendary clubs ...

Posted by infinity HiGH on May-20-2004 05:32:

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Originally posted by fastmp3
no one mentioned Montreal ... with our crazy partying hours and legendary clubs ...

Heheh, don't worry, that does NOT mean nobody recognizes Montreal and its scene I would definately say that MTL is in the top 5.

And Mother, thats what I was implying

Posted by jon jon on May-20-2004 08:24:

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH
And Jon, comparing Toronto to Chicago is really outlandish from what my buddy, as well as a TA, has been telling me (he moved here from Chicago).

haha probably, I was just comparing it on size (pop) alone. And even that is probably innacurate.

Posted by Skipper on May-20-2004 11:13:

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Originally posted by fastmp3
no one mentioned Montreal ... with our crazy partying hours and legendary clubs ...

I fucking love Montreal, does that count for anything?

Posted by Jayx1 on May-20-2004 11:50:

You are all missing my point..

Im not saying "TORONTO SUCKS"

Im saying it used to be much better and could be better again....

We still have some very good venues and local talent.... What im lamenting about is that its in serious decline. We need new partiers in the scene to give it a revitilization.

Also we need (god forbid) RADIO PLAY

Ask any local dj who has been around since the beginning and they will tell you that one of the biggest problems in Toronto now is that radio does not play club music. Radio play is a good thing if they concentrate only on electronic. The problem with Z103 for example is that they play 1 cheesy dance song among 20 other crappy rnb and pop songs and then fluff it up with annoying announcers.

Ill admit it.... 14 years ago it was RADIO that first gave me a taste for house music and techno (breakbeat) thanks to Chris sheppard (before he went cheesy) and Matt C and Mark Oliver on CFNY 102.1... Later on Doctor Trance as well as the creation of Energy 108 just added fuel to that fire.

Posted by Your Mother on May-20-2004 13:24:

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Originally posted by avikonen
I have never seen a party like Freedom in NYC or in the US for that matter. There is not a club big enough or the pull enough to make it happen. The closest to a mega event I can think of is Cochella in California or Burning Man in Nevada. I have heard the scene in Las Vegas is getting better and better. Time will tell if this becomes clubland in the US>

The only club that I've seen pull an event like that off is 1015 Folsom in SF since they have like 5 different rooms. And they have had top talent in at least 3 of those 5 rooms. However, there's really no place as big as the Guv/KH connection. Its just fucking huge. Most good clubbing venues only have the 1 main room and a few smaller rooms that can't support a big name dj.

-Your Mother

Posted by PartyHarlequin on May-20-2004 14:15:

Posted by Your Mother on May-20-2004 16:02:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
When Toronto can have a creamfields type festival and draw 30,000 people for a huge ass party with an amazing vibe... then i will consider it a world class scene. Until then we have guv, system and boa and viva for the surburban folks. (except boa needs a liquor licence)

This is a rather dumb analogy. Do you have any idea the number of people that go to Creamfields who aren't even English? Better yet, Miami has Ultra, but what percentage of the people are actually from Miami? A small percentage. Just about any city is capable of pulling off a party of that size if they promote it well enough and bring in enough talent. The fact of the matter is that parties of that size bring in tons and tons of people from all across the world. Do you think if Creamfields only allowed Liverpool residents then it would have a chance of surviving?

Moreover, the main reason why Miami can pull off Ultra is because all the dj's are already in Miami for the wmc, so they don't have to pay for travel expenses. It costs considerably less to fly in the dj's for Creamfields since the majority of the dj's playing already live in Europe. And anybody whose lived in Europe can tell you that its dirt cheap to fly to other countries that are also in Europe.

Also, Boa has no use for a liquor license. The place doesn't pick up until after last call has been announced. For example, Arc in NY never had a liquor license and they did just fine.

-Your Mother

Posted by Jayx1 on May-20-2004 20:03:

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Originally posted by Your Mother
Just about any city is capable of pulling off a party of that size if they promote it well enough and bring in enough talent.

So then why doesnt Toronto throw these parties anymore???

Posted by Your Mother on May-20-2004 20:23:

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Originally posted by Jayx1
So then why doesnt Toronto throw these parties anymore???

Hard to say... I stopped going to massive's back in 2001 since I think they're grossly overrated and do nothing but hurt the local club scene.

For all I know, TO has thrown a number of 10000+ events in the last couple of years which would easily qualify as large parties... but you'll have to ask someone whose been around TO over the last couple of years. If they haven't, then my first guess is that the promoters don't want to take the heat from the local police and municipal government. Unfortunately, TO is not like MTL when it comes to the city not giving a fuck about the type of parties that get thrown.

And for what its worth, large parties can never compare to intimate clubs, so using this as an indicator of a top international club city doesn't make sense. LA is a prime example. They throw a few 30000+ massive parties every year with good talent but at least half of the people their are fucking clueless. In my opinion, massive's have done more to kill the scene than any other single factor.

-Your Mother

Posted by Jayx1 on May-20-2004 20:25:

You hit the nail on the head about Toronto. The media here and the cops are idiots when it comes to parties. Thats what pretty much single handedly destroyed most of what we had in the 90s.

So now you can understand why im a bit bummed about whats going on here.

As for massives.... I LOVE THEM! There are good and bad points to both large and small events. A good mix of both is a good thing.

Posted by PartyHarlequin on May-20-2004 20:46:

I'm not a huge fan of the massives, I love the scene to much. The socializing, the music, the plain fun and energy. With 10000+ people you can never really know what's going on!

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