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i dunno
sometimes there is a border between trance and techno, but i just haven't really heard any songs that collaborate the two genres (successfully). many trance djs feel like they can integrate "their style" with techno to profess themselves as unique. this isn't a visa versa case, cause i don't really hear any techno djs integrate trance into their sets.
i can't argue that picotto didn't used to play trancy stuff. but remember, techno is allowed to have a melody as well, and thats where people get crazy and rave on and on thats its tech-trance.
when i think of trance, i think of stuff like fire & ice - never ending melody or push - universal nation. when i think of techno, i think of the truest and most original forms, such as stuff from laurent garnier(amazing dj live) or detroit techno (jeff mills). maybe it simply leads to what someone considers trance and what someone considers techno.
but from a nuetral and fact-based perspective, tech-trance really doens't exist. tech-house is definately more debatable though.
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| Originally posted by Ian^ he said tech-trance, not techno. Techno isn't just full of elitists, theres people who love both techno & trance like myself. Whatever your personal thoughts, real tech trance, stuff by Oliver Lieb, Marco V etc takes elements from both genres, forget the stuff by tiesto (minus traffic which is barely tech-trance) And you'll find that someone like Mauro (in his new style too, the alchemy uk label etc) is the techno dj most trance fans goto first. We're not saying liebing or takkyu or dave clarke or hawtin or any other techno dj of any quality is worse or better, just trying to show u that tech-trance does exist, whether you like it or not. And the people at discogs are the same elitist house loving ****s you find at many dark dirty places, whilst ppl here like many genres, they just like to argue with it for no good reason. edit - oops fucked things up - dont watch tv and type |
The more one thinks about it, the more one gets confused.
Whatever you want to call it, ask yourself: do you enjoy the music?
It's a double-edged sword:
history SHOWS the pioneers of hybridization will always be chewed out at first, but if they persist, influence will spread (and yes, this means bandwagon jumpers). Arguments and minor quibbly semantics do nothing to stop the actual music, just like how critics and analysts of such fine points often write to impress each other instead of really helping to educate and enlighten people. Even the best text descriptions are not the music. Language is flawed.
I've seen the same thing happen many times before and it's redundant.
To be wholly trance-centric is dangerous, just like being centric around any culture like American. There's a bigger picture out there where people are doing things differently, more of the world to see.
Just dance! 
*big happy smile*
i completely agree
but as a dj, i get upset when people "rape" the essence of a style and sound. its one thing to enjoy a song and to be open-minded, but its another to mislead novices in the electronic music seen to believe what the mainstream dance media is feeding them is "tech-trance"
i love techno, and some trance is alright. im not going out flaming people who like trance. i just upset when people compare the two as one. just my opinion
i agree VERY strongly with you that the rich history of electronic music is to be respected and that the commercial media doesn't present a complete picture of what it all entails, but a framework of the basics at best... i can't get mad at newbies for not knowing who Kraftwerk and Tangerine Dream are, but i will often suggest to them to check it all out as further grounds for exploration. it's important to also note influences that come from other sources, be they literary or visual.
things are always changing, yet some things -- like arguments over styles -- will never change. i find that very, very sad and a waste of time & energy.
tit shut up and suck
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| Originally posted by aspergian i agree VERY strongly with you that the rich history of electronic music is to be respected and that the commercial media doesn't present a complete picture of what it all entails, but a framework of the basics at best... i can't get mad at newbies for not knowing who Kraftwerk and Tangerine Dream are, but i will often suggest to them to check it all out as further grounds for exploration. it's important to also note influences that come from other sources, be they literary or visual. things are always changing, yet some things -- like arguments over styles -- will never change. i find that very, very sad and a waste of time & energy. |
geeeeeeeeet a lifeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee its music 
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| quality tech-trance |
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| Originally posted by stevebutabi isn't that an oxymoron? |
elitist progressive fans? technosnobs? where??? BOO!!! LOL
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| Originally posted by aspergian elitist progressive fans? technosnobs? where??? BOO!!! LOL |
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| only to elitist progressive fans who are blinded in sight like racehorses |
whats with all this talk bout genres does it matter have got nowt better to do with ur time when u start thinking bout stuff like this
u either like a tune or u dont it doesnt matter what genre it is
end of topic
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| Originally posted by stevebutabi haha maybe, but i have had bad experiences with tech trance... whenever i got dragged to the 2 worst places on earth- club exit and sound factory (nyc)- i was forced to listen to the horrible tech trance that they used to play at those places... it was such horrible, horrible music |
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| Originally posted by Faj27 discogs has members that are SOOO much more educated about electronic music than tranceaddict. these are people that have listened to electronic music since the early 80's. they have a right to be elitist. but unfortunately, most of tranceaddict is filled with people who's vocabulary only consists of tiesto or cor fijnerman (i think is spelled his name wrong). discogs has the most electronically diverse culture i've ever seen online. everyone from groovin house lovers to minimal techno fans |
/me makes some popcorn, because this is fucking quality entertainment
I'm not sure what all the fuss is about really.
Faj27 expressed an opinion and as it turned out he was utterly wrong. Discussion over, right? Apparently not.
Faj, you were wrong. Get over it. Stop trying to argue for the sake of it.
the majority of djs wont pigeon hole themselves to a particular genre but the music followers find it easier to have tracks defined my genre. for me tech-trance is trance that is slightly more edgey examples including:
mr sam - naranja (dimiris andreas mix)
katana stuff
going onto mark norman productions, some of the newer tiesto stuff.
genre's cant be defined they are what people percieve it to be but for me tech-trance exsists and i fooking love it
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| Originally posted by slinkyhead the majority of djs wont pigeon hole themselves to a particular genre but the music followers find it easier to have tracks defined my genre. for me tech-trance is trance that is slightly more edgey examples including: mr sam - naranja (dimiris andreas mix) katana stuff going onto mark norman productions, some of the newer tiesto stuff. genre's cant be defined they are what people percieve it to be but for me tech-trance exsists and i fooking love it |
give this man a medal
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| Originally posted by DRM give this man a medal |
OK so because a DJ spins trance and techno a magical genre is invented?
Techno and Trance are quite impossible to combine,
People are stating things are tech trance because the techno songs have melody?
If tech trance does exist it is the sewage waste washed from the gutters which are filled with hard trance run off, Marco V has produced techno tracks, and has produced trance tracks, but there is a difference between them, tracks like recovered have heavy emphasis on melodies and builds, they are high energy hard trance tracks other tracks have a minimalisation of the use of synths and incoperate them into the beat hence creating a techno song, of medium quality most of the time from marco, or lower. Marco V's true strenght lies in his ability to produce hard trance.
Mauro Picotto is techno, with exception for komodo which is trance and some of his work under aliases which is cheesy comercial trance (CRW) and some house tangents. The alchemist EP is pure techno, and much of picottos releases are pure techno.
The difference in an over simplified look of trance and techno tracks layout's was once put like this
Techno: =============================
Trance: ===^^=====^^^^^^^^====^^^^^==
this meaning that techno is an elaborately constructed combination of loop variations with melody intertwined but not the focus, where as trance puts minimal focus on the percussion loops and vast emphasis on recreating someone elses synth melody with a one note variation of the earlier production in an attempt to capitalize of past success (of course there are acceptions and good acts in trance but they are few and far between)
About 95% of what i have seen classified as tech trance is either hard trance or epic trance. The people claiming cosmic gate is tech trance probably claim kai tracid is acid trance.
For a final note i will just say this, the line between trance and techno is so slim virtually no tracks can balance here, and for so few tracks to fit into this description for anyones sake it would be better to claim hard trance which is what most of the people mistake for tech trance anyhow.
One thing many TAs whom dont know much about techno (this meaning the people who have heard hardly any techno, can't name techno songs, and think just because there is a melody in a track its trance of some form. Not implying that TAs dont know what techno is, just targeting the ones who don't.) need to keep in mind is techno does contain melodies, its rare to have it with out it. Thus because you probably arent yet familiar with the borders of trance and techno tech trance is the easiest cop out.
Genre battling is demeaning to music though, I feel genres main purpose should be to aid djs in shopping for music,
With out genres i might be subjected to listening to hard trance, or hard house on vinyl websites with a variety of music and have to rant for an hour about how bad it was.
If you truly believe tech trance is a genre then i believe ishkur gives the best summary of what it is.
this thread just gets better and better
woaaahhh. bit of an essay digdug.
the thing is their is sucvh a variety in trance that of course ppl are gonna try and seperate different sounds. None of the trakcs mentioned in this topic could be classed as hard trance tho. As i said before u can not pigeon a single dj into a single genre its all arbitory. Picotto is not PURE techno the following have trance elements:
Back to Cali
Pulser
Save a soul
Lizard
and countless remixes
i do agree that genre bashing is demeaning. ive got an open mind to most styles of edm but i also know what i like
Faj27
tranceaddict in training
Registered: Oct 2003
Location: La Quinta, United States
mabe you were right about americans
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