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Originally posted by Cal A part from http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/defaul...23-4-2003_pg3_2 on a National Geographic Society survey in 2002 How's that for the efficacy of my argument?

Funny that you quote a periodical written and created by Americans. What? your country doesn't have such high quality magazines? Shame.

Well while we're on the topic of the national geographic study, if one were to read the study in its entirety, one would notice that all the English speaking countries performed quite poorly respective to mainland Europe. On average Americans correctly answered 23 questions (corresponding to a letter grade of 'D') whilst Canada and England correctly answered only 27 and 28 questions correctly (corresponding to a letter grade of 'C-'). That's not much to be proud about if you were to ask me. It is actually somewhat disheartening that elementary schools tend to place more focus on state history (who the fuck needs to know the names of every county in Maryland and their individual histories?) as opposed to world geography which is becoming more and more pertinent these days.

http://geosurvey.nationalgeographic...RoperSurvey.pdf

No, you're right it doesn't have anything like that. Why? Because we already know where everything is.

I mean, if you got this as your view of the world you NEED National Geographic. ALL of it!
http://www.jigsawlounge.co.uk/kungf...ld-usa2003.html

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Originally posted by Cal No, you're right it doesn't have anything like that. Why? Because we already know where everything is. I mean, if you got this as your view of the world you NEED National Geographic. ALL of it! http://www.jigsawlounge.co.uk/kungf...ld-usa2003.html

I wonder where these Americans are that that take these Geography tests? Funny, I'm an American and I took geography at Cal Poly and passed with an "A" including getting almost perfect on the final which was naming every country, sea, and ocean in the world.

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Originally posted by Reverend_Trance I am from North Dakota (pop 634,110), one of the smaller and more insignificant states in the US of A. We pride ourselves in having one of the best educated populations in the United States. Our higher standards set by our state create a better educated people. About 90% of our high school graduates go on to college. I know little about the educational systems in Europe, but the standards are set by each state and not by the nation. The non uniformity of education can be an advantage or disadvantage. Califorina is considering that students can graduate their junior year (11th grade) and skipping the senior year (12th grade). I understand that many European nation have a 13th year of school.

Hmm, I lived in North Dakota and I must say that your primary educational system totally sucks in comparison with Europe. The high school gets better, but you're still lagging behind European better schools. In college you make up for the difference, since I think it's in most European nations that people go straight to university from high school. Now, university is a different story. Here I must admit that you generally do have better universities than those in Europe. Unfortunately they cost hell of a lot of money.

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Originally posted by mixinmusic when only 10% of your population accutually owns passports and has visited other countries!!

Because:

1. America is huge and visiting different states can take a whole lifetime. In Europe you only have to drive a few hours to be in a different country. Also American's don't have to have a passport to visit Mexico or Canada (though it's a good idea).

2. American's are hard workers and don't have time to travel much.

3. American's are afraid of being mistreated in Europe and many other countries. My friends and family all say that we are Canadian when we travel abroad because we are all tired of being abused by people when they find out we are American.

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Also with the history of conflict within Europe, for example terriorism that we have had to deal with far longer, how can Americans claim to be the experts on these issues also.

Um, who is claiming that?

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Originally posted by Reverend_Trance I am from North Dakota (pop 634,110), one of the smaller and more insignificant states in the US of A. We pride ourselves in having one of the best educated populations in the United States. Our higher standards set by our state create a better educated people. About 90% of our high school graduates go on to college. I know little about the educational systems in Europe, but the standards are set by each state and not by the nation. The non uniformity of education can be an advantage or disadvantage. Califorina is considering that students can graduate their junior year (11th grade) and skipping the senior year (12th grade). I understand that many European nation have a 13th year of school.

and, yeah, i prefer better school systems to bad school systems.. hehe..

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Originally posted by Cal How's that for the efficacy of my argument?

I maintain my point. Such highly-charged language as you seem to enjoy using, along with the off-colored slurs and prejudicial remarks about Southerners, makes you appear common. Most undiplomatic for someone who calls himself European. I thought you guys were supposed to have written the book on all things civil and high-minded and here you are hitting us over the head with a verbal sledgehammer that serves no purpose and doesn't advance your argument in the slightest. Once you made the jibe about Southerners, I knew there was no need to take your post seriously. Debates, I always assumed, were to be kept above a certain tone. Once they fall below that, they become merely sensationalistic clap-trap.

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Originally posted by occrider England correctly answered only 27 and 28 questions correctly (corresponding to a letter grade of 'C-').

Really hate to be gay and nit pick. But I REALLY don't like it when people say England when they mean Britain or the UK. To a Scottish person (i.e. me) thats really anoying.

England + Scotland + Wales + NI = Britain

Scotland is not part of England

Also for example Tony Blair is scottish so is the Chancellor, leader of Lib Dems and so is a huge number of the British Parliment, many in the highest postions.

But aslo in other thing like finance for example

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Ads pave way in US for Royal Bank of Scotland NEW YORK: Europe�s second biggest bank had a problem. It was on track for an aggressive expansion in the United States, but too few Americans had heard of it and even on Wall Street its name was not familiar enough. "

>>>LINK<<<

Scotland is actually has a resonably large effect on Britain. So when people just lug the two togeather it's just like saying Scotland doesn't exist which is peaving. I know Scotland is smallish and stuff but England is not Britain.

Sorry I've said this before but you must understand why it anoys me, it's like people calling Canada America.

I'm actually when I think about not all that peaved but it happens sooo often it gets grinding.

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Originally posted by Dervish Really hate to be gay and nit pick. But I REALLY don't like it when people say England when they mean Britain or the UK. To a Scottish person (i.e. me) thats really anoying. England + Scotland + Wales + NI = Britain

Hmm I always thought England + Wales = Britain
and that England + Scotland + Wales + NI = United Kingdom.

Oh well, good to learn something new everyday.

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen 3. American's are afraid of being mistreated in Europe and many other countries. My friends and family all say that we are Canadian when we travel abroad because we are all tired of being abused by people when they find out we are American.

This says more about your paranoia than about the attitude of Europeans about Americans. It reminds me of what happened here last summer. There was this camp on the shore, and there were few americans that came by. They all claimed to be canadian except one, even though they told him people would mistreat him if they knew of his heritage. He told us that, and once people realized the situation everybody in the camp started teasing the "canadian" americans. Nobody said anything bad to the american who admitted where he was coming from.

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Originally posted by mixinmusic Well I always thought and correct me if I am wrong but Britain was Scotland, Wales and England while the United Kingdom was Great Britain plus N. Ireland. Thats what it does say on my passport anyway!

Yea its confusing. See I though Britian is Wales and England, Great Britian would be Wales, England, and Scotland.. and then the UK includes N. Ireland (and used to include all of Ireland).

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Also I would ask where does the territories across the world still belonging to the UK come into this and isnt the Royal family also from Scottish descent too?

Well I know the princess was from Wales.. have no clue about the Royals, but don't thin they are scottish. Could be. The UK terrirtories are typically categorized into its "commonwealth".

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The fact that Americans are afraid of trvelling because of prejudice shows how naive you lot accutually are!! See the world meet new people and explore some culture because really the US is neither the centre nor the epitomy of the world, im truly sorry to say...

Or maybe the fact that Americans travel as Canadians would explain to us why Canadians are so popular and well recieved across the world

I always thought Britain just referred to England primarily with likely inclusion of Wales, etc, but not Scotland or Ireland--I'm thinking about flags here and who has what flag. I always thought the collective group of islands was what constituted the United Kingdom.

With further research, I have just found this from the American Heritage Dictionary:

United Kingdom: or United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, commonly called Great Britain or Britain. Abbr. UK.

A country of western Europe comprising England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland. Beginning with the kingdom of England, it was created by three acts of union: with Wales(1536), Scotland(1707), and Ireland(1800). At the height of its power in the 19th century it ruled an empire that spanned the globe. London is the capital and the largest city Population 58,091,000.


Great Britain: An island off the western coast of Europe comprising England, Scotland, and Wales. It is separated from the mainland by the English Channel and from Ireland by the Irish Sea.


Britain: The Island of Great Britain during pre-Roman, Roman, and early Anglo-Saxon times before the rign of Alfred the Great(871-899). The name is derived from Brittania, which the Romans used for the portion of the island that they occupied.




Wow. That may have confused things even more. But if I read it right, Britain probably refers more specifically to England, but it sounds a bit vague. Great Britain includes Scotland, Wales, and Ireland too apparently. I guess UK and Great Britain (Maybe it's short for Greater Britain) are interchangeable to an extent. Eesh!

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Originally posted by Dervish Really hate to be gay and nit pick. But I REALLY don't like it when people say England when they mean Britain or the UK. To a Scottish person (i.e. me) thats really anoying. England + Scotland + Wales + NI = Britain Scotland is not part of England Also for example Tony Blair is scottish so is the Chancellor, leader of Lib Dems and so is a huge number of the British Parliment, many in the highest postions. But aslo in other thing like finance for example >>>LINK<<< Scotland is actually has a resonably large effect on Britain. So when people just lug the two togeather it's just like saying Scotland doesn't exist which is peaving. I know Scotland is smallish and stuff but England is not Britain. Sorry I've said this before but you must understand why it anoys me, it's like people calling Canada America. I'm actually when I think about not all that peaved but it happens sooo often it gets grinding.

Oops ... my bad. I stand corrected. From now on I'll collectively refer to all of you as 'wankers' .

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Originally posted by Yoepus Hmm I always thought England + Wales = Britain and that England + Scotland + Wales + NI = United Kingdom. Oh well, good to learn something new everyday.

Who cares what it's called, it just a place where a bunch of fucking pricks live.

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen quote: Originally posted by Yoepus Hmm I always thought England + Wales = Britain and that England + Scotland + Wales + NI = United Kingdom. Oh well, good to learn something new everyday. Who cares what it's called, it just a place where a bunch of fucking pricks live.

just quoting, in case you would delete it..

ever thought of why people may think americans are ignorant?

really, you are a shame for your country...

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Originally posted by Shakka A country of western Europe comprising England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland. Beginning with the kingdom of England, it was created by three acts of union: with Wales(1536), Scotland(1707), and Ireland(1800). At the height of its power in the 19th century it ruled an empire that spanned the globe. London is the capital and the largest city Population 58,091,000.

Apparently (I looked it up) Britain, short for Great in my eyes, does not include NI. But thats weird cos surely they have British as their nationality on their passport? But they are members of the UK. But they isn't a nationality associated with the UK as far as I know. So are they still Irish then?

About the Monarcy King James (VI) of Scotland became King James I of England when they didn't have an heir basicly.

But apparently the current lot are all Hanovarian.

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Upon the death of Anne, the distant claims of the elector of Hanover were recognized, and he became king of Great Britain and Ireland as George I.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0108078.html

BTW sorry for taking this thread way off topic.

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Originally posted by mixinmusic Well I always thought and correct me if I am wrong but Britain was Scotland, Wales and England while the United Kingdom was Great Britain plus N. Ireland. Thats what it does say on my passport anyway!

according to my limey buddy sitting here with me, you are correct.

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Originally posted by occrider Oops ... my bad. I stand corrected. From now on I'll collectively refer to all of you as 'wankers' .

Hehehe no problems with that it's true!

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen Who cares what it's called, it just a place where a bunch of fucking pricks live.

^that^ however is pretty stupid what kinda responce are you looking for?

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Originally posted by mixinmusic How many Africans are not from Africa and still call themselves African!!

Not very many.

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Originally posted by mixinmusic Dervish, Just because you are not from Britain does not exclude you from being British!! How many Africans are not from Africa and still call themselves African!!

But.... I am British, born in Scotland to Scottish parents my family goes back way back.

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Originally posted by mixinmusic Ok then lets use Asians as an example then.... or perhaps Chinese & Japanese take your pick....

umm..i'm an asian american? chinese american

or taiwanese american to be completely specific

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Originally posted by TuanAnh213 umm..i'm an asian american? chinese american or taiwanese american to be completely specific

yea and I'm a Israeli Texan

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Originally posted by Yoepus yea and I'm a Israeli Texan

oh yeah? Taiwanese Californian American

I'd say you are what it says on your passport. Your heritage may be something else but you are say American or whatever.

You can't just join one socity and still lay claim to being part of another obviously not people with dual nationality but thats differnt.

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