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Posted by diffusion on May-31-2004 06:55:

I had this. I just realised that now.

*edit*
However, don't worry it'll grow of ya. I'm pretty much okay now.
Force yourself out, start going to the gym or even better start going to some martial arts, Karate helped me a lot.
*edit*

I spent most of my childhood/youth in front of my computer screen together with friends who were just as bad as I was
It was all about playing Monkey Island and Doom those days...


Posted by Torley Wong on May-31-2004 06:59:

LOL... Monkey Island I and II fanatic here myself...

Oh, I must state, Asperger's is not just a social anxiety/shyness thing nor is it a simple focused interest in certain areas; it encapsulates much more.

There is so much we don't know about the human brain.


Posted by Vlad on May-31-2004 07:09:

What you guys are forgetting is he is still a child, Kami is 13/14 years old.


Posted by diffusion on May-31-2004 08:04:

Erm, I just read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger's_syndrome

and I realized that I didn't have this as a child
and I don't now either

Kamikaze Badger:
Have you read this? -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger's_syndrome


There are a lot of details there, do you differ from any of these, maybe you're not after all.



for example:
quote:
"They generally cannot "read between the lines", that is, figure out those things a person is implying but is not saying directly. It is worth noting, however, that since it is a spectrum disorder, a few with Asperger's are nearly normal in their ability to read facial expressions and intentions of others. They often find eye contact in particular overwhelming and find it hard to be on either the delivering or receiving end of it."


Posted by Nalin on May-31-2004 08:16:

ummm, i haven't read any replys but just out of genuine concern (and im sorry if my advice seems totally odd),

but now that you are very aware of the (perceived) problem, ie. introversion, antisocialness, perhaps shyness and low confidence since these are usually associated with the frist 2 and then as a result depression (which of course is not surprising that feeling down/negative would be the consequance of having these stacked problems),

have you made a conscioius effort to change your habits, such as perhaps

- staying more active to recreate your state of mind and make you calmer and add positive energy (think swimming, or martial arts, or weightroom, or biking, or whatever)
- reading some self help books, websites or what not that discuss maybe relationship advice, healthy attitudes, healthy food choices (btw, i strongly advise you at least give the magazine MEN'S HEALTH a try, it might be pleasantly effective but by no means exhaustive source in learning about these things + its tastefully entertaining to be less boring/more beginner friendly )
- and then as you build your confidence and become looser/more relaxed around ppl (essentially becoming more extroverted), perhaps slowly take less artificial stimulation ("medication")


sorry, maybe all this is just dumb generic advice, but maybe its worth a shot.


i mean the site you linked says it clearly, asperger's disorder doesn't affect your intelligence, which you should be very greatful for, but rather your attitudes (ie. introversion, antisocialness), and as far as i know, attitudes (esp when the intelligence is there) are very much in your grasp to change for the positive if you have enough will power/discipline (and thats a BIG if), cause again you RECOGNIZE there's a problem, which is a fantastic step in itself, now you just have to have enough will power to take steps to slowly correct it, even if it means putting yourself in uncofortable positions.


like im not saying external sources, of help are bad, but ultimately, optimal (if any) progress in chaging your attitude will be made when the strong desire to change stems from within and i think the above is a part of that process so that's why i wanted to give you advice on what YOU can do for you regain/build physical and mental health and perhaps in a long time from now spiritual health(?) since you already seemed to have covered the external bit.


Posted by Technaut on May-31-2004 09:23:

another TA fuck up

bet one day the shit hits the fan and he trys to end it all aplz style


Posted by diffusion on May-31-2004 10:36:

quote:
Originally posted by Technaut
another TA fuck up

bet one day the shit hits the fan and he trys to end it all aplz style


that's not really a nice thing to say. think about your karma


Posted by astroboy on May-31-2004 10:55:

quote:
Originally posted by diffusion
that's not really a nice thing to say. think about your karma


My karma ran over my dogma


Posted by Smeagol on May-31-2004 13:19:

My experience is that people that are not really sick but just not very good at something tend to put a name on it and give themselves a sickness. since I do not know you I cant tell, but from what you write it might be the case.

Maybe you're simply not very good socially and have intrests in "wrong" type of things, like DJ and computers, that won't help you meeting people. If you tell yourself that you're having a problem, soon enough you will actually have it if you get my point.

But I don't know your case. Just don't make yourself sicker than you are. Maybe try to stay away from the computer as much as possible?


Posted by Kamikaze Badger on May-31-2004 13:37:

Listen, I don't even like to get out and socialize with people. I prefer to be alone most of the time. I'm already pretty much isolated from the social world(unless you count the internet as a social world). DJing wouldn't make it worse at all.


EDIT:
quote:
Asperger's is defined in section 299.80 of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV) as:

1. Qualitative impairment in social interaction, as manifested by at least two of the following:
1. Marked impairments in the use of multiple nonverbal behaviors such as eye-to-eye gaze, facial expression, body posture, and gestures to regulate social interaction
2. Failure to develop peer relationships appropriate to developmental level
3. A lack of spontaneous seeking to share enjoyment, interest or achievements with other people (e.g., by a lack of showing, bringing, or pointing out objects of interest to other people)
4. A lack of social or emotional reciprocity
2. Restricted repetitive and stereotyped patterns of behavior, interests and activities, as manifested by at least one of the following:
1. Encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal either in intensity or focus
2. Apparently inflexible adherence to specific, nonfunctional routines or rituals
3. Stereotyped and repetitive motor mannerisms (e.g., hand or finger flapping or twisting, or complex whole-body movements)
4. Persistent preoccupation with parts of objects.
3. The disturbance causes clinically significant impairments in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.
4. There is no clinically significant general delay in language (e.g., single words used by age two years, communicative phrases used by age three years)
5. There is no clinically significant delay in cognitive development or in the development of age-appropriate self-help skills or adaptive behavior (other than in social interaction) and curiosity about the environment in childhood


Those all refer to me...



Still think I'm just making stuff up?


Posted by astroboy on May-31-2004 14:07:

I don't think you're making stuff up. I just think these kinds of "disorders" exist at the margins. I mean all those criterea could to some extent apply to any number of ordinary, functioning people. I can relate to almost all of them to some extent. It's almost just a classification of a normal person who functions in a particular way, that makes it slightly harder for him to interact. Just don't beat ourself up about it and don't think of yourself as abnormal. You are you, you function in a particular way, and there is nothing about the way you interact that you can't change, if you want to.


Posted by Kamikaze Badger on May-31-2004 15:17:

Strange though, that what I listed dosn't apply to anyone else I know...


Posted by Spyder on May-31-2004 15:55:

ya i had the same problem with my mom when she wouldnt belive me, docs, and councelers when they said i had a head problem

she was too proud and wouldnt belive that i could be un normal.. or diffrent
finaly after 20 years she finaly adabts to the little things she didnt pay any atttention too when i was a kid.


Posted by Lira on May-31-2004 16:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Kamikaze Badger
Listen, I don't even like to get out and socialize with people. I prefer to be alone most of the time. I'm already pretty much isolated from the social world(unless you count the internet as a social world). DJing wouldn't make it worse at all.

Have you read what Vlad and I wrote?
quote:
Originally posted by Lira
You still should join the soccer team or something similar. Even if you want to do something related to music, you shouldn't choose something so lonely as DJ'ing/producing music (whereas you can DJ solo and produce everything yourself, in a rock band, for example, you would need to deal every minute with other people in order to play something).

quote:
Originally posted by Vlad
Also, being in a band will help you interact with other people and eventually you will have to get on stage and perform. You know what, fuck band, do ANYTHING that involves team work, not just soccer, but ANY sport. Im sorry, but I think with the 'condition' you might have and your age, DJing might not be in your best interest... at the age of 13 and having a social problem THE LAST thing you should do is lock yourself in your room being a bedroom DJ.

Atleast the majority of us that do spend alot of time DJing, are old enough to go out and enjoy ourselves and clubs and what not. But you cant even do that, your 5 years away, which is a while to be locked up.

DJ'ing will make things worse, as you'll keep yourself locked in your own world.

It's blatantly obvious that you don't like to socialise... the list you gave us is a clear sign that it must be hard as hell for you to do this sort of stuff: DJ'ing would just keep you from doing this sort of stuff as you would be behind the turntables around machines and records.


Posted by Torley Wong on May-31-2004 17:12:

Asperger's is NOT a sickness. It is not cancer.
We aren't even exactly sure what it is since autism is a spectrum and each person will exhibit traits differently. Neurobiology studies continue, and I'm convinced that just like humans have different body types, the knowledge of neurodiversity will become more common in the future.

(If anyone wants to discuss Asperger's more, you are more than welcome to on Aspergia.com )

It is certainly not make-believe either (although some people may be falsely diagnosed with it for sure).

Each individual is a unique human being.

If you have genuine concerns which have manifested themselves time after time for a period of years, chances are something's up, so don't let ANYONE dismiss them. You should know yourself best.

It is good to socialize. Humans are naturally gregarious. It's good to have friends, and to be friendly.

If you are really concerned, I recommend seeking out the advice of a qualified medical professional, like a psychologist.

Otherwise if you believe you have problems, it's best to ask yourself: what can I do about them? And go from there.


Best of hope, Kamikaze Badger.


Posted by Kamikaze Badger on May-31-2004 17:14:

So you're saying that I should do something I hate to do and can't even do so I can do something I've wanted to do for months?








Sounds like a good plan. My step dad says that if my mental state get's a little more stable, he'll get me a sword. So what you guys are saying kind of makes sense. I'll do my best to try.


Posted by Lira on May-31-2004 17:37:

quote:
Originally posted by Kamikaze Badger
So you're saying that I should do something I hate to do and can't even do so I can do something I've wanted to do for months?

Yes if this thing you "want to do" will just get your social skills worse... I guess we're telling you this from page one.


Posted by davinox on May-31-2004 17:44:

hey man, this is me being serious for once.

humans are social creatures. unless you destroy your ego somehow, like via buddhist methods, you're most likely going to be sad and out of place. its ok to be shy, its ok to not be cool, its ok to not have a lot of friends, but at least go out in the world and have some friends. trust me.

dont hold onto crazy fantasies in your bedroom. your only 13. i promise you, what you'll want to do for the rest of your life will change 8 times. just go out into life, live the day to day, and your life will come to you. planning it in solitude will get you no where.


Posted by Azz3D on May-31-2004 21:00:

quote:
Originally posted by Sirocco
shut fuck the up


he is right you know


Posted by Vlad on Jun-01-2004 00:15:

Kami, were not trying to tell you how to live your life, but were trying to help you cope with you problems. Keeping youself locked up in your room will only make your condition get worse. As a 13 year old, you need to get out and meet people...

Its not like what you have cant be cured, but its the motivation you give yourself to cure it. Your problems are mostly psychological and can be fixed if you try to fix them. In the next school year, your goal should be to try to meet as many people as you can... the most easiest will be people in your class.

You dont want to deal with this when you get older because it will just be baggage that makes you lag behind everyone else. What are you gonna do when you do become old enough to go to clubs... just sit in a corner with your hands folded? Come on!

You need to make it a PRIORITY to get out of the house and participate in things that other kids do. Go to the park and play basketball or football. Even if your not that good, you will get better the more you play. Just go there, walk up to someone, and ask them if you can play with them... its not hard, you just need to be motivated to get over your social problem.


Posted by Kamikaze Badger on Jun-01-2004 01:00:

I live out in the country, and there is NOTHING in town to do. And also, I just can't stand being in a social enviornment. I'm fine being by myself. Trying to socialize with people is what got me to cut my wrists. I just couldn't interact with people, and they were giving me a bunch of shit.


Posted by Echo of Silence on Jun-01-2004 01:24:

quote:
Originally posted by Kamikaze Badger
I live out in the country, and there is NOTHING in town to do. And also, I just can't stand being in a social enviornment. I'm fine being by myself. Trying to socialize with people is what got me to cut my wrists. I just couldn't interact with people, and they were giving me a bunch of shit.


This probably isn't the best place to ask about Aspergers Disorder. I mean really, how much does the average person know and how many will look further than the link you provided (not a lot of info there) to understand what you are talking about?

I suggest you do a lot of research on your own and seriously, check out the boards at aspergia.com (aspergian's post).

Everyone carries their own baggage. How they proceed forward with that baggage is all that matters.


Posted by Vlad on Jun-01-2004 01:25:

What could they possibly give you shit about to the point where you would slit your wrists? Ive had my closest friends backstab me and treat me like I was disposable. Not everyone you meet will be your best friend, but unless you try to be friends with people, no one will want to be your friend.


Posted by Torley Wong on Jun-01-2004 02:43:

quote:
Originally posted by Echo of Silence
Everyone carries their own baggage. How they proceed forward with that baggage is all that matters.


Well said -- I don't know you (yet) but I do know I very much agree and like what you said. (i swore you wrote something else inspirational but it seems to have disappeared?! i hope my imagination is not acting up again)

Life's full of crap, everyone's got problems... but time doesn't reverse (and time machines are still science fiction) and you gotta keep going forward in search of the happy moments that are the high points of your life. That's what's worth living for.

In my personal experience, talking too much, thinking too much about things has sometimes led me into a vicious cycle... it helps to not think so much and just go out and do. But I always gotta remind myself of this. Keep yourself motivated... who do you look up to? I'm sure they've had challenges too. Model yourself on their success. Easier said than done for sure, but one day at a time, and having friends who are really there for you helps AMAZINGLY. Sometimes I make sad excuses for not seeing my friends, and they phone me up and drag me out and we all have a great time and I'm thankful for that. But it starts with you believing in yourself and you're really young, Kamikaze Badger... you have a lot of life left to live and life is a gift, you deserve to enjoy it!!!

If you don't try, the answer will always be NO. But if you are persistent and keep at it, you might just get a YES


Posted by Transporter on Jun-01-2004 02:48:

It's nothing that Dr. Rivera can't fix.


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