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Re: Final Scratch fails in my book! MAC or PC won't save you...

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Originally posted by DJ Cubano Link: I was spinning with it just fine. Then about 45 minutes into it the quality dropped to about 32kbps and started going nuts.

just a shot in the dark but... ever considered it to be an overheating problem? I've seen several cases where audio processors on soundcards etc. will heat up and cause crap sound quality or even completely stop producing any sound whatsoever - only to work fine 20 minutes later after trying again.


make sure the scratch amp isnt sitting on any other equipment or in a closed area, try running a fan on it etc. just to see if it prevents the problem or at least gives you longer than 45 minutes of quality.

Tech support on NI's end has definitely been nonexistent. I actually gave it a try and got it to work a few times. Sometimes, the turntable wouldn't calibrate and everything was connected perfectly. I would have to restart the laptop a few times and then it would magically work. once it did work, it worked really well. Yet the reliability factor does not justify the resources that are invested in final scratch. If you are a club dj and its not reliable, why bother using it at all?

Also when you are playing out, who the fuck is gonna play mp3s off a network harddrive???? Thats why all your shit is gonna be stored on a single harddrive.

alright I kept screwing with it and turned the audio latency (i think is how it's spelled :confused on high, and I turned the position smoothness line all the way to the left (this is only on version 1.5). I took out to the club many times already and it never screwed up again. I just wish they would post that on the damn website. When I finally got the tech support guy to call me back that's the samething he told me to do.

I've known many people who've already had to take back their scratchamp's because the chip inside has failed. The soundcard itself is a giant paper weight, it's a total piece of low quality crap.

Other than that everything is working just fine.....for now .

As far as Serato goes, it's a solid program but it's glitchy. It gives you a few pops and will knock it off beat, then phase itself back once it realizes that it fell behind the time coding (exactly what FS did to me). I know they're coming out with a patch as soon as the forums go up. Anyone else having problems with Serato?

opianstate and choobak you guys are freaking idiots if you can't figure out final scratch. It's not the device's fault if you're too stupid to hook it up right or try to run it on a computer that can't handle it. Funny, I'm running on a p3-700 which is near minimum spec and I've never had one single problem in months of heavy use. Your mommies probably have to tie your shoelaces in the morning for you too.

and you're calling ME a dick? the thread was full of misinformation about the product until I posted, and afterwards all you want to do is flame me because I pointed out your errors. grow the fuck up. Don't flame me and say Final Scratch sucks just because you're too stupid to figure it out or the computer you're running it on is a piece of crap and configured badly.

yep I'm singlehandedly making the internet a terrible place. couldn't possibly have anything to do with flamers like you blabbing about me being a jerk and then turning around and being twice the asshole I am.

and that bs about the cost... give me a freaking break in THIS day and age you don't already have a computer? trying to say Final Scratch is more expensive because you have to go out and buy a computer .. LOL if you don't already down a computer.. DON'T BUY A DEVICE THAT REQUIRES ONE... DDUUUUUUUUUHHH that's like going out and buying a body kit for a car you don't own.
you guys are retarded. have fun with your stupid little CD decks

I wasn't saying you'd be "playing out" with a network drive, all I was saying was that the statement of "all the mp3's must be on 1 little drive" wasn't completely accurate.
FS can play mp3s from the local drive, a network drive, CD or these days most laptops have DVD drives, so make a DVD full of mp3's. that's the only point I was trying to make there. unless you're playing 20 hour sets I think 4.5GB of mp3's on a dvd would work nicely to play a show. combine that with the ones on your hard drive and you've got more than enough for several shows.

and that's all I'm saying on the matter. you guys feel free to slam me and final scratch all you want if it makes you feel better... I don't give a flying fart

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Originally posted by vhx1 Tech support on NI's end has definitely been nonexistent. I actually gave it a try and got it to work a few times. Sometimes, the turntable wouldn't calibrate and everything was connected perfectly. I would have to restart the laptop a few times and then it would magically work. once it did work, it worked really well. Yet the reliability factor does not justify the resources that are invested in final scratch. If you are a club dj and its not reliable, why bother using it at all? Also when you are playing out, who the fuck is gonna play mp3s off a network harddrive???? Thats why all your shit is gonna be stored on a single harddrive.

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Originally posted by E-vangelist opianstate and choobak you guys are freaking idiots if you can't figure out final scratch. It's not the device's fault if you're too stupid to hook it up right or try to run it on a computer that can't handle it. Funny, I'm running on a p3-700 which is near minimum spec and I've never had one single problem in months of heavy use. Your mommies probably have to tie your shoelaces in the morning for you too. and you're calling ME a dick? the thread was full of misinformation about the product until I posted, and afterwards all you want to do is flame me because I pointed out your errors. grow the fuck up. Don't flame me and say Final Scratch sucks just because you're too stupid to figure it out or the computer you're running it on is a piece of crap and configured badly. yep I'm singlehandedly making the internet a terrible place. couldn't possibly have anything to do with flamers like you blabbing about me being a jerk and then turning around and being twice the asshole I am. and that bs about the cost... give me a freaking break in THIS day and age you don't already have a computer? trying to say Final Scratch is more expensive because you have to go out and buy a computer .. LOL if you don't already down a computer.. DON'T BUY A DEVICE THAT REQUIRES ONE... DDUUUUUUUUUHHH that's like going out and buying a body kit for a car you don't own. you guys are retarded. have fun with your stupid little CD decks

You know when somebody cuts you off on the freeway and you can't figure out how they could be so stupid? there are people who do have their heads in their asses on the internet too, like yourself.

Right now I don't have the time or the energy to continue this argument, which will obviously never be won, because you refuse to fully read and comprehend what everyone else is trying to say. I will add, however, that I was trying to run TFS 1.0/1.1/1.5 on a 800Mhz P3 laptop which is close to minumum spec as well, and it sucked ass. Look at the sheer amount of people responding with problems here. Some people can get it to work, some can't. Get a clue.

I don't know what else to say but read our posts and read yours. I never insulted you in any way, I just asked that you be somewhat mature when posting. In any case, you're the one who needs to grow up buddy.

Oh, and as far as having "stupid little CD decks"--I am the proud owner of Serato Scratch Live and it blows FinalScratch out of the water in every possible way. To everyone else who cares, I will post a comprehensive review as soon as I get a chance to do some recording to show everyone what it can do. The forums for SSL are already up--you can check them out at http://forums.seratoscratchlive.com/

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First of all, you suck. People like you make the internet a terrible place. We're trying to have some kind of constructive discussion and you act like a dick. Go home to your mommy and let her spank you...

First of all.. Evangelist does more for the online trance community than either of you ever will. Period.

Second of all. You should only feel sorry for yourself. You are wasting your time, sitting there on your ass typing a message to someone out in cyberspace, who isn't going to give a flying fuck what you have to say to them. Why? Because nobody takes anyone on the internet personally.

es

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Originally posted by Vert First of all.. Evangelist does more for the online trance community than either of you ever will. Period. Second of all. You should only feel sorry for yourself. You are wasting your time, sitting there on your ass typing a message to someone out in cyberspace, who isn't going to give a flying fuck what you have to say to them. Why? Because nobody takes anyone on the internet personally. es

First of all . . . the message you qouted above was not posted by me, even though your post is directed at me.

Second of all, I dont care how much he does for the "online trance community" if he doesn't treat others with respect.

Third, you are contradicting yourself, you took the time to post, and are obviously taking it personally enough that you felt the need to post.

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Originally posted by opianstate Third, you are contradicting yourself, you took the time to post, and are obviously taking it personally enough that you felt the need to post.

I felt the need to post, to defend. Not to hurt you, but to help someone else. My statement, was that you are wasting your time to hurt others who will not be hurt. I am not contradicting myself, because I am not posting to hurt, nor have I been offended or hurt myself.

Where in my post does it say it is directed at you? It is directed at everyone who is ganging up on Evangelist.

Get off your high horse, while you may pretend to be 'respectful', your opinion of Evangelist is blatantly obvious in your initial posts and lacks any level of objectivity.

You need to look at the things you have said about him. Respect? I don't think so. If respect is so important to you, why do you not practice it yourself?

es

Wow... this got stupid really fast. I believe the flame war started when someone started calling people morons for not being able to figure something out. He claims final scratch works perfectly on his computer and assumes, therefore, that it should work on everyone elses computer, and anyone who can't get it to work is a moron. That was really constructive of him.... The only reason we're ganging up on him is because of his attitude and the fact that he's putting people down for now reason at all and adding nothing to the conversation.

We're stating we have issues with the software/hardware. He personally attacks the people who do have problems simple because he has managed to get his to work. Did I offend him so much by not getting my prodict to work? Hmmm, it's pretty obvious who's the immature idiot here. Now please, keep your raging teenage hormones in check and stop posting stupid shit...

This thread had absolutely no misinformation like evangleist claimed. People can't get it to work after following NI's instructions and reading through countless threads on there message board. It just so happens that evangelist can get his to work. Good for him and if you're reading this: "You get the gold star! That doesn't mean you can go off and call other people with problems names though. Now eat your cookie, and drink you milk, because it's nap time. Mommie will be here soon..."

Oh and Vert, you don't have to come to the rescue here. It's not a matter of taking people personally, it's a matter of having useful discussion in a courteous matter. You know, something real people with real lives do every day in order to not have to live the life of an internet hermit who's only joy in life is to boost his own self confidence by putting other people down in his virtual world. I remember when we used to be able to have useful conversations on this site. I guess those days are numbered...

Anyway, back to the real topic.
I've tried finalscratch on 4 systems using all different versions form 1.1 to 1.5. The first was an old Apple powerbook G3 (600mhz), 384mb. It was below minimum spec but I actually had the best performance with this one. Only rarely would I get audio drops or bad tracking. Version 1.5 caused more headaches though so I went back to 1.2.
The secong system was a newer 800mhz iBook G3, 384mb. Better system, better performance, right? Uh, no. Gargled audio, terrible tracking in all versions and this computer is above minimum specs.
Third system was a brand new G4 iMac. Way above system specs. Tracking and audio quality is good but now I get noise from my USB bus. I never got any noise when I used a laptop but now I do. I'm not overloading my USB bus' bandwidth either like everyone claims.
Last system is the one I'm working with now. Athalon XP 2100, 1gig ram. I get great tracking and audio quality but noise from the USB bus again. What is this crap? Why do I get noise from desktop computers? Well, I figure it could have something to do with the grounding of my computer's power supply but it's still inexcusable for NI to release a product with improper shielding.

Like I said, NI has released a bogus product. It's a great idea but it's heavily flawed. Just check out the message boards at finalscratch.com ... I'm not the only one with these problems...

opianstate, keep us updated about serato scratch.. i'm really eager to here how it goes first hand.

hey choobak, try grounding your computer to see maybe if it will cancel the noise. I used to have that same noise...it was a loop coming from my computer. I bought a cheap two dollar ground plug from radio shack that solved that problem. You may want to try that out . If not, try using a different USB cable.

"Oh and Vert, you don't have to come to the rescue here. It's not a matter of taking people personally, it's a matter of having useful discussion in a courteous matter. You know, something real people with real lives do every day in order to not have to live the life of an internet hermit who's only joy in life is to boost his own self confidence by putting other people down in his virtual world. I remember when we used to be able to have useful conversations on this site. I guess those days are numbered..."

Oh get over it.. you are doing the exact same thing by posting that very paragraph. Practice what you preach.

es

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Originally posted by DJ Cubano alright I kept screwing with it and turned the audio latency (i think is how it's spelled :confused on high, and I turned the position smoothness line all the way to the left (this is only on version 1.5). I took out to the club many times already and it never screwed up again. I just wish they would post that on the damn website. When I finally got the tech support guy to call me back that's the samething he told me to do.

Are you using the 33rpm sides or 45rpm sides? A message was passed onto me that people were getting better results with the 45rpm sides (for accuracy and such).

I've got my latency set to low and the position smoothness set to the left as well. I go with no problems at all.

Evangelist, just wanna say you gotta realise that FS doesn't work for everyone, its an awesome idea, but the product ain't stable yet, just look at all the problems that have been said on the FS boards, I don't think its becuase there all trying to plug the USB into the CDRom, I've used FS, I do really like it, but the guy there even had problems with it crashing, even though it didn't crash for me, its a buggy program, and the hardware ain't anything to brag about, but I'm sure they will get this all sorted out since Serato has a much better product (even though it has some of its own problems), and as for your remarks towards CDJs, well to each there own (there are some people who don't like turntables...shocking), but CDJs are for most DJs awesome, they have alot of features over FS, and vise versa, they both have there advantages and disadvantages.

Good to hear your one user that its running smoothly for, but remember, not everyone is as lucky.

I still have yet to play around with this hardware/software setup. I have one question, if this uses time encoded vinyls in order to play mp3s, how long can each vinyl play? Like 10 minutes? Just curious, but not enough to go read up on it

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Originally posted by Dirk W. I still have yet to play around with this hardware/software setup. I have one question, if this uses time encoded vinyls in order to play mp3s, how long can each vinyl play? Like 10 minutes? Just curious, but not enough to go read up on it

Dunno for sure, but I think the 33rpm side is 15mins and the 45rpm side is 10min, but dunno for sure, but I do know that Seratos vinyl is slightly different.

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Originally posted by Dirk W. I still have yet to play around with this hardware/software setup. I have one question, if this uses time encoded vinyls in order to play mp3s, how long can each vinyl play? Like 10 minutes? Just curious, but not enough to go read up on it

Serato's vinyl has a 10 minute and a 15 minute side, either of which can be played at 33 or 45 rpm. However, when the vinyl runs out, SSL automatically switches to "internal mode" which means that the computer picks up playing where the vinyl ended at the same pitch without any change in sound. It's really a nice feature, another plus over FS.

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Originally posted by opianstate Serato's vinyl has a 10 minute and a 15 minute side, either of which can be played at 33 or 45 rpm. However, when the vinyl runs out, SSL automatically switches to "internal mode" which means that the computer picks up playing where the vinyl ended at the same pitch without any change in sound. It's really a nice feature, another plus over FS.

Wait a minute, how can you have a side that has say 15 minutes of code on it when played at 33rpm, and have it last for the same amount of time when played at 45rpm???, have I missed something, that doesn't seem possible.

On a side note, I just listed to the sample of FS and dam, that would scare the shit out of me if played in a club.

has anyone used it with a 1.3ghz g4 powerbook?

ive been looking into gettin FS but just wondered how it would run on my powerbook, ive got 768mb ram so i suppose it should be fine.

what happens with FS if you are running say a 17min track and it hits the end of the vinyl at 15mins?

cheers.

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Originally posted by VBDub has anyone used it with a 1.3ghz g4 powerbook? ive been looking into gettin FS but just wondered how it would run on my powerbook, ive got 768mb ram so i suppose it should be fine. what happens with FS if you are running say a 17min track and it hits the end of the vinyl at 15mins? cheers.

When the time code stops being read after 15 min the track will stop. This makes sense because it is as if you ran out of record. But if you want the track to keep playing, you can click a button before it runs out at 15 min and it will keep it playing at the current pitch until the end of the song, it just does not do it automatically.

I love my FS...the only time it gave up on me was when i tried to play an invalid mp3 file which was my fault...One thing though the sound quality realllly sucks..even if i try to play normal record through FS system the sound quality isn't really as good as it would without the system. If any of you are using FS in gigs how do you cope with that? Plus you probably can't de-compress the mp3 you download either, can you?

why dont you try not using software use single vinyl, weve been spinning without FS or Rane for many years, that doesnt fail

This seem to partially depend on a worn out FS time code vinyl, have you tried with a new?

Re: Final Scratch fails in my book! MAC or PC won't save you...

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Originally posted by DJ Cubano Link: CLICK HERE I was spinning with it just fine. Then about 45 minutes into it the quality dropped to about 32kbps and started going nuts. I've never been satisfied with this thing but I'm now 95% positive I'm dumping this piece of crap and going with the Rane version. So anyways the link is on top just right click then save target as, or just plug it into winamp and stream it (Ctrl + L). Pretty sad that it came down to this... After almost a year and playing with every single update and version available. I bought new records, new needles, pc and mac, everything I could imagine. FS fails period.

oh man... that sucks... i listened to that .mp3... can you say "ouch"

clearly someone deserves a swift kick in the ass.

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