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Leigh mate, if you're on your silver or black license, renewing it isn't any more complicated than paying $70 for a new license....

Hahaha Mate im still on my red P's - i havent gotten off my ass and got my full license yet!!

haha ok fair enough, in that case I have no idea

It's been 5+ years since I was on my P's

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Originally posted by lethal Hahaha Mate im still on my red P's - i havent gotten off my ass and got my full license yet!!

If you havent been bothered to get your greens, chances are your Reds have expired, and you know have to do your L's again With 120 hours, have fun mate (You've got a max of 18 months on Reds, before they expire)

And the test for Green P's is the Hazard Perception Test
Test for Black Licence is Advanced Hazard Perception and more road rules, kinda like the L's test. So you need to learn your road rules again

So many colourful licences you have up there... what's it all mean.

Down here all we have is P's (red) and in 3 years you get given your full (blue). (then there's heavy vehicle and stuff.,. but no one cares about those)

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Originally posted by webmeister Leigh mate, if you're on your silver or black license, renewing it isn't any more complicated than paying $70 for a new license....

Damm you webby :P oh wells.. P's isn't too bad, cause you get to act all crazy cause they try to overtake you on some shitty old ford, but i just kick in third gear on my corolla n buy buy old man.. hahahaha...

yeah.. hehe we use to have that law just the red for 1 year...
now 3 years
1 year = red (max 80kmh)
2 year = green (max 100kmh)
there is a exam inbetween

oh and that new law 0.00000000000000000000000000000 alchol limit
we even cant use mouth wash with alchol or not even those little bottle chocolates with alcohol

them new brethalisers that you wont have to keep the plastic tube, but just speak to the machine... the machine can even pick up the alchol reading from the passsengers side aswell... technology is getting pretty freaky

with the amount of alcohol in mouthwash, timtams, alcoholic icecreams etc...i don't think the breathalysers that the cops carry are anywhere near sensitive enough to pick up those slight traces of alcohol in your breath.

i've eaten timtams and been breathalysed about 2hrs later (had about 4, don't know how long that lasts in your body)...told the cops that when he came to my window and he said it'd be fine. one big breath and i was let off and on my way.

We don't have any speed limits for P's (other than the normal ones, would be cool if there were none at all for P's )

0.00 BAC or loss of licence.

Piss all demrit points.

And you have it for 3 years... I don't think I've missed anything

(Oh yeah.. and there's restriction on the power to weight ratio for the car you drive.. ie. nothing to powerful.)

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Originally posted by matt.h with the amount of alcohol in mouthwash, timtams, alcoholic icecreams etc...i don't think the breathalysers that the cops carry are anywhere near sensitive enough to pick up those slight traces of alcohol in your breath. i've eaten timtams and been breathalysed about 2hrs later (had about 4, don't know how long that lasts in your body)...told the cops that when he came to my window and he said it'd be fine. one big breath and i was let off and on my way.

The breathalyers are new, like they just finished doing the beta testing kind of thing..
Its being introduced slowly, it was in channel 10 news.

even if these new high-tech breathalysers detect the trace amounts of alcohol in your system from mouthwash/biscuits/dessert, the more detailed examination down at the copshop will prove your innocence and you'll receive (or atleast you should) a polite word of apology from the coppers for wasting your valuable time

btw, these breathalysers you refer to passed through the testing phase quite a while back (before easter), but aren't in use. they are waiting to be gazetted by your state parliament, which views it as a low priority.

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Originally posted by matt.h even if these new high-tech breathalysers detect the trace amounts of alcohol in your system from mouthwash/biscuits/dessert, the more detailed examination down at the copshop will prove your innocence and you'll receive (or atleast you should) a polite word of apology from the coppers for wasting your valuable time

Well myself and other p drivers received letters from the RTA stating about mouth wash etc. you might be lucky and cops let you off but it stated that you have to prove to the court on why you are over the limit of 0.00
so yes its more of wasting your bloody time but yeh... kind sux

The breathalysers we have now work fine.. they can tell if you've been drinking..

The only reason I can think of for the government wanting more sensitive ones would be so they can book you for eating a tim tam and hence make a bit more money out of ya.

There's no reason I can think of other than that. But I'm a cynical prick who hates the state government.

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Originally posted by NiNo LoCo The breathalyers are new, like they just finished doing the beta testing kind of thing.. Its being introduced slowly, it was in channel 10 news.

Yeah, wasn't it a breathaliser that would give out different colours in depending on the drugs you had taken and stuff?

very freaky!

the ones purchased by the NSW police are more high-tech in the sense that it has in-built memory and satellite communications capabilities. this is to stop police from 'cheating', inflating the number of drivers they have breathalysed (to meet quotas, much like parking inspectors).

at the moment, its all recorded by hand, then (i assume) entered into the computer once they get back to the station. these new gizmos will record every test, what BAC was recorded, and allow the memory to be 'downloaded' for auditing.

can just imagine it now, coppers sitting in their cars blowing into it to falsify the data and meet their quota (2003 was 2 million tests i believe).

OH THOSE...

Yeah those are drug testers. Previously there was no real way to test for drugs other than taking a blood test (unless you're totally off your trolley).. which they can't legally do for no reason (that's my understanding of it).

But now they can test for drugs with a breathalyser and it gives a colour depending on which drug is in your system.

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Originally posted by matt_a If you havent been bothered to get your greens, chances are your Reds have expired, and you know have to do your L's again With 120 hours, have fun mate (You've got a max of 18 months on Reds, before they expire) And the test for Green P's is the Hazard Perception Test Test for Black Licence is Advanced Hazard Perception and more road rules, kinda like the L's test. So you need to learn your road rules again

Ok then im on my Green P's (the cards still red, so how the fuck was i supposed to know??? it says im on P2 so its all good!)

Im thinking i might just get an extension of the license - as im gonna be over in the uk for 2 years from january im not REALLY gonna need it am i??? Unless i can get a uk license straight from my aus one - anyone know what the deal is with this???? Hmmmmm......

hope this helps: http://www.dvla.gov.uk/drivers/drvingb.htm

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Originally posted by NiNo LoCo Its being introduced slowly, it was in channel 10 news.

If it's in Channel 10 news, it's either a) inaccurate or b) designed to scare you. Don't trust it

And I'm going to stir things up by saying P-platers are the most aggravating and poorly skilled drivers on the road

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Originally posted by webmeister If it's in Channel 10 news, it's either a) inaccurate or b) designed to scare you. Don't trust it

True!!!

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And I'm going to stir things up by saying P-platers are the most aggravating and poorly skilled drivers on the road

Untrue!!!!!! OMG how can you say that ... P platers are the most up to date drivers, especially now since the tests are so damm hard, how many freken times have you seen accident's when the people are NOT ON THEIR P's, are over 25 and are more accident prone, people who hog the right lane, everyone knows that the right lane is the fast lane, ur supposed to go faster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We stay at the speed level or just above it, not under it, especially in peak hour traffic, i make sure i get enough sleep cause my 15 min drive to work is crazy, you need the reflexes of a jedi if you want to drive in my area, if you make a mistake drivers around here chew u up and spit you out like an old foul tasting chewing gum!

Perfect example, my gf's sister last night was at a traffic light, stopped on red, when some FULL LICENCE PRICK just smashed behind her n fucked up her 1 year old Nissan, wat was his excuse? "I thought the lights were about to change so i didn't stop cause she was going to go..."

FULL LICENCE PERSON SAYING THAT? Now come on fair play.. this is ridiculous... what about that total wank who drove into the childcare center n burned those little kids?

What about in Carlingford a few months back a FULL LICENCE driver lost control in a 50 ZONE!!! and almost took out 3 little kids coming back from the shops!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sure P platers aren't the best drivers, but we all know that majority n minority politix always comes into play.

So watchu think bout daT sista! :P

Btw u stirred me up.. lol!

No feelings but thats uncalled for :P

Cheers Matt_h!!!

Looks like im getting my full license then! I get 1 year of driving on my aus one and then can just swap it straight for a GB one - no test!!! WOOHOO!!!


Gotta love the UK!

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Originally posted by bassaholix Untrue!!!!!! OMG how can you say that ... P platers are the most up to date drivers, especially now since the tests are so damm hard, how many freken times have you seen accident's when the people are NOT ON THEIR P's, are over 25 and are more accident prone, people who hog the right lane, everyone knows that the right lane is the fast lane, ur supposed to go faster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We stay at the speed level or just above it, not under it, especially in peak hour traffic, i make sure i get enough sleep cause my 15 min drive to work is crazy, you need the reflexes of a jedi if you want to drive in my area, if you make a mistake drivers around here chew u up and spit you out like an old foul tasting chewing gum! Perfect example, my gf's sister last night was at a traffic light, stopped on red, when some FULL LICENCE PRICK just smashed behind her n fucked up her 1 year old Nissan, wat was his excuse? "I thought the lights were about to change so i didn't stop cause she was going to go..." FULL LICENCE PERSON SAYING THAT? Now come on fair play.. this is ridiculous... what about that total wank who drove into the childcare center n burned those little kids? What about in Carlingford a few months back a FULL LICENCE driver lost control in a 50 ZONE!!! and almost took out 3 little kids coming back from the shops!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sure P platers aren't the best drivers, but we all know that majority n minority politix always comes into play.

I'm not going to defend every full license driver out there, believe me I drive further than most people in an average week and I know how poor a lot of people's driving skills are.

But arguing that since there are a lot of accidents that don't involve P-platers and that therefore P-platers aren't worse drivers is completely false. If 5% of drivers on the road are on their Ps, then you would expect about 5% of people doing stupid things or having crashes to be P-platers. But it isn't 5%, it's more like 25%.

I'd estimate that of the people I see doing stupid things (and I see a lot of them), probably 1 in 4 is a P-plater. Likewise, probably 1 in 4-5 P-platers I encounter will do something stupid.

When you say P-platers are more up-to-date drivers, that may be (vaguely) true, but they're also the most inexperienced at dealing with unusual or atypical road conditions, and other drivers. Worse, since P-platers have just passed their test they think they're perfect drivers (after all you've just gotten perfect marks on the test), while their over-representation in crash statistics suggests otherwise.

Believe me, I was in the same position several years ago. The reality is, once you've learnt to pass your driving test you then start learning to actually drive.

And again, not having a go at you personally

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What webby says is absolutely correct. Thus why car insurance rates are the highest for drivers under the age of 25.

At least in australia you guys know who is new to driving and who is not by their license plates, here in the US you have no idea at all unless they have personalized plaes with their high school graduation year or something on them hehe.

Be glad you guys don't have to deal with snowstorms and freezing rain as well as all the other new things abotu driving. I had to take my test (which was easy because it is not too difficult to get a license in the US) in an ice storm. Boy was it fun.

MrS

Webby, didn't mean to sound rude, just got to me, i know it wasn't personal, i just love deep and meaningful conversations

You say that 1 in 4 is a P plater, thats cool, but that is all based on probability, there could be a particular suburb, or time where there are a few more P platers in the area, say the west = less ppl work = more ppl driving around.. lol thats just the case, in the CBD more delivery vans cause of business.

I dunno, maybe in the west way i see alot of stoopid shit, just normal stuff like last week a brand new M3, i was in her blindspot n she just turned into my lane, i had to hit the breaks, n she gave me this look of death like "Why didn't you let me in" IM like hello wtf? I slowed down, but it wasn't in the time frame it took you to just ram ur $80K (or watever it costs) into me...

P platers can sometimes and i guess very recently in the news have seen to become more and more aggresive, but thats only because people treat P platers like second class road users, people don't give way, and another example, driving home the other night, i was at the lights next to this car, driving down cumberland highway when it turned green, i was in the fast lane doing about 75, wat does the kunt do, he speeds up and gets in front of me, only to slow down to about 72, roughly which made me slow down a touch, now tell me why didn't he just keep on his lane n let me on my merry way?

BAC of 0.00, is fine with me cause i don't drink if im driving, but why not make it for all drivers? Isn't driving under the influence in any sort of licence type dangerous?

And insurance companies have only been forced as there have been way too many dodgy things going on in the past years, rebirthings, ram raids, this is all part of general crime, but unfortunatelly we must foot the bill when it comes to this, like global warming, not everyone recycles, but we must all share in the blame case we are part of humanity.

Not that i don't mind humanity, but we are too flawed, Darwin should have found a better, quicker n more effective method for natural selection cause unfortunatelly some people don't deserve to breathe the same air we breathe... ie, Hitler, the guy who killed Kennedy... Bin Laden???? That M3 bitch.. The story continues...

I've driven around most of Sydney and a good deal of NSW, I haven't noticed any particular concentrations of either type of driver.

As I said, I can't (and won't) defend the actions of all drivers, everyone has stories of near crashes and road rage. However from my perspective, the near-crashes are proportionally more likely to involve a P-plater (particularly when it involves doing something stupid like leaving hi-beams on or not checking mirrors).

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