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But Junkie XL wouldn't come up with the same level of top quality music either, when he had to use only Reason, that's the whole point.

And again, I never said you can't make above-average things with Reason. In my opinion it's the best you can get in that price range, it's just not the absolute top. And that seems to be pretty hard to believe for all those reason adepts.

I'm not sure what we're arguing here exactly. If all you're saying is that a studio worth 10x-100x more than Reason 2.5 has noticeably better sound quality, then I'd say that you're right and can't see many people arguing with you. Does this difference of quality matter? Well, I have a track signed using a free sequencer, so if the objective is simply to make good music that people/djs like, or to get a track signed to a decent label, then you really don't need to spend huge amounts of $.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery I think it's idiotic to compare anyone's works to someone who has been a music professional for decades and is highly gifted nevertheless. When you're listening to these tracks at a club you won't notice any difference. If the little difference in home listening bothers you so much then you really need to seek help because it really shouldn't be that much of an issue. People made rock music in the sixties that's still far superior to any of the shit these manufactured rock bands do today even if the sound quality is considerably worse. It's the music that matters, not the fucking bitrate or perfect sound balance (to a certain point, of course).

Well said, nik

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery When you're listening to these tracks at a club you won't notice any difference

Of course you hear it. Especially the bassdrum and bassline lose lots of power. Back to the prodigy example: Firestarter and Smack my bitch up also take their energy in the club from their brilliant bass.
The new tune doesn't have this pressure and clearness ( we tested it in a local club ) in bass.

My attitude to Reason:
Reason is awesome. I have spent thousands of hours with it.
I have about 4000 selfmade rns files, contain different kinds of songs, sound experiments, bassline creations, trance leads and lots of weird stuff. I used lots of high quality hardware samples from CDs ( with hq mode switched on )

Any stupid cheap VST sampler in an host like Cubase, Logic, whatever sounds better than Reason, this is the impression of me and some people, not of everybody I guess.
Mixdowns seems to be much better in those hosts. For a programm like Reason, in which so many people believe, a better audio dithering engine would be a step further to professional sounding audio, it would be awesome. And I hope that day will come soon...


Trancevision

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A lot of people feel that way; Reason is like a lifesaver for the bored gearhead musician. You? � Yeah, I couldn�t live without it. If Reason hadn�t come along I would probably still be in my studio, depressed, going �aww bloody �ell, don�t know what I�m gonna do�, you know? I don�t want to pat Propellerhead on the back too much, but... Reason has literally changed my life, getting me back in the studio and enjoying it all again. It�s taken the monotony out of music making and put it into a format where music should be these days � no big deal, just something that should be fun to do. Creation is always painful, but this is the least painful way I know of. So, Reason is pretty much the meat of the sound on the new album? � Literally everything you�ll hear on the new album has been written on Reason. Everything starts there. Eventually we get to a stage where the song is written, and then we � that�s my producer Neil McClennan and I � move it into �Tools where we finish off everything, and that works great since Reason integrates with ProTools really well. Everything that comes out of Reason sounds really good, it�s got this sound, I think � a kind of certain... everything sounds like it �locks in� really good, you know? And that sound we got out of Reason is something that we now and again had to go back to Reason to duplicate; sometimes we�d do a thing in ProTools and it just didn�t rock it like Reason did, so we�d take it out of ProTools and try to duplicate it in Reason instead.

taken from the propellerheads site, interview with Liam Howlett.. a good read and someone with a solid understandings of reasons pros and cons

read

well this is the second one of these reason things that ive repsonded to today but ill make this one a little differnty then the other one. its rather simple reason will allways sound like its done in reason untill they allow atleast vsti fx if not full on vsti support hell even dxi support would be wonderfull. now exporting it through cubase would mean you dont use just reason and if your going to go through the trouble of doing all that why not just learn cubase all audio programs are pretty much the same with some easier or harder differnence or navigation differneces even. now yes reason si good bang for the buck. this is very true but with that same argument i could say fruity loops studio is even a better bang for the buck as it allows you to use vstis and dxi and rewire into cubase. now if your not catching onto what im getting at its simple you get what you pay for you pay 100bucks itll sound like 100bucks you pay 2grand itll sound like 2 grand.

yes there are skilled people out there that can form their own sound and get rid of the reason sterotype but thoose are very few. i say this rather often that most tracks in reason sound like tracks thatd be played on asot..... why because they are new tracks done by non name producers that probly work in fast food and cant afford good shit. reasons not bad just sounds like reason just like flp isnt bad just sounds like flp. personally i say get high for a few months and just fuck with cubase use common sense and you can figure it out. dont just look at it and go omfg i cant right click and go add instrument. look through menus find your way around cubase is fairly easy to use once you get the common hang of it.. however logic id not suggest trying unless you feel like busting out your reading skills. i find logic to be rather hard as it took me 3months just to figure out how to load a vsti..... now back to the bassis you can tell a track was done soley in reason example airbase notice how all his tracks sound simalar. when you only have a handfull of synths you cna use itll all start to sound the same hence why vstis are so awesome.. anyhow enough rambling i dont mind reason but id like to see some of these really good reason producers spend the time to learn cubase or logic and then see whats up.... and on another note i know lots of producers that will say that fruity loops studio is now better then reason for the fact it can take vstis.... you decide when it all comes down to it your going to get signed your going to get signed doesnt matter what you do it in. mostly it matters how good the elments are..

Re: Prodigy and Reason - if this is no fake

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Originally posted by Trancevision you remember the announcement when you could read on the props website: PRODIGY uses REASON ? on http://www.theprodigy.nl/ , a prodigy fan website they gave one of the album tracks ( and they used Reason believing to their announcement ) for free download in 320 Kb mp3 ! http://www.theprodigy.nl/index_best...digy-Girls.mp3. If (1) this is an authentic prodigy track (2) made with Reason (3) this track has reached its final stadium of quality then... Listen and judge yourself. We have 2004 now. What do YOU think about sound quality. Can this be Prodigy Phatness ? Trancevision

dumb ****...its a radio rip..not from cd......the transients arent preserved like they would be on a cd .....****

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Originally posted by Veverka But Junkie XL wouldn't come up with the same level of top quality music either, when he had to use only Reason, that's the whole point.

You are stating things as a fact even though you have no idea in reality. Go give Tom Reason, see how he does and then come here stating the facts.

mi chorizo es mas mas grande my balls are bigger then yours

Re: Re: Prodigy and Reason - if this is no fake

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Originally posted by Sirocco dumb ****...its a radio rip..not from cd......the transients arent preserved like they would be on a cd .....****

I noticed that too. But as I have listened to other radio rips yet I don't believe that this the reason for the unimpressive sound. But if it is, and the final product would be as good as usual I would be very very happy, since I am big fan of their stuff.


Trancevision

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Originally posted by Trancevision I noticed that too. But as I have listened to other radio rips yet I don't believe that this the reason for the unimpressive sound.

Well if the problem with reason is that it goes to shit above 15/16KHZ then as FM is only broadcast upto 16KHz i would imagine it would be impossible to tell the difference between a reason prodiuction and a studio production from a sample from the radio.

hehe the good old reason discussions
being a reason user im happy with how it works and what i can achieve with it (the export sucks a bit, cos that always changes the sound a bit).

but if you look purely to the soundquality of cours reason cannot compare to music produced in a high-end studio. those studio's are an environment build to achieve the clearest and best sounds. therefor the cost at least 1000 times as much as reason. people who think reason or any other softsynth can achieve the same sounds are blind (or deaf)

though you can get a really good sound with reason, but even i can hear the difference in soundquality between a tiesto and a envio/fictivion track (on my crappy stereo that is, and don't tell me i cannot because i can i know what im hearing and it's not just in my brains hehehe, i agree with veverka on this).

then i come to the point in how far people care. well, i agree fully on what tom_cowan said: "Quality is important but only to the point where a reduced quality is to noticable to the average listener."

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I also think that a producer doesn't want his music to have a little less quality, whether the average listener cares or not

i think this is within the limits of what you can do with your equipment. mk-s, envio, fictivsion got the max out of reason, so they have acieved your statement. as they continue to grow they will probably spent money on equipment to get an even better quality.but there is always room for improvement i guess.

then one more thing (my last point). the reason vs. vst shit. i tried some demo's of the better vst's and i must say they sound really good. though, not impossible to create with reason imo. just takes more time and a good usage of fx.
and even if the soundquality might be a bit less in reason, so is the soundquality from the vst's compared to real high end stuff

reason sounds like reason, fruity sounds like fruity, cubase sounds like cubase and if a track is really good, it's really good. even if the quality is slightly less.
now let's all live together in peace and enjoy making music

john

you know whats funny if you read what liam said it clearly states that he doesnt not ever use soley reason he refuses to use non analouge for his basslines and he exports everything through protools so i mean read you ******s end of arguments facts stated right there

to me, the production on "girls" is pretty much perfect. if it doesn't have the same powerful bass as smack my bitch up or whatever doesn't mean anything. it's a pretty different tune anyway

btw, cool tune, but i hope for some more spaced out tunes on the album as well

ummm .. and liam has been using the same sampler for eons too ... cant remember what it is but he reckons the prodigy would never be without his old 16bit lofi sampler ... ummm ... what was that about pooface hi-q again .... lmao

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