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English need to quit whining - the ref didn't give the french a penatly shot for what was clearly a handball in the box (hit the guys elbow and he had his arm up), so really I'd say the English had the advantage in calls that game.

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Originally posted by Z1D English need to quit whining - the ref didn't give the french a penatly shot for what was clearly a handball in the box (hit the guys elbow and he had his arm up), so really I'd say the English had the advantage in calls that game.

it hit Neville's upper shoulder and wasn't intentional. The refs will only call a handball in the box if it is blatant and clearly on the lower half of the arm. And that's the way it should be.

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Originally posted by m0sh england plays like shit

What's the point on giving us your thoughts on a match you didn't see?

england had terrible bad luck yesterday and deserve to win imo, but don't blame it on the ref

Was unbelievable what happened last night, but it's still an early stage so there's still time for everyone to put their acts together.
Go Holland!

Whilst I'm English I'm not incredibly patriotic and have nothing against France, so am not deeply affected by the score, and will happily admit if England played shit & didn't deserve to win or whatever. In this case I think the match was pretty equal all the way through, and either side deserved to win.

HOWEVER, I do believe this was very much a game of luck on the french part... seriously how often d'you get a free kick right infront the goal AND a penalty in injury time? Zidane is indeed a great player but those two goals were no way a testament to his skills, imho.

Also I really don't get why Rooney was subbed for Heskey... Rooney was England's strongest player by far up until that point! Then Heskey goes, fucks up & wins a free kick for France

Normally I'd say hats off to France but I just can't this time. Maybe next time...

To quote a Push tune, 'til we meet again

While I have always grown up supporting England (I am not English) the fans in the student bar made it extremely difficult for me not to smile when Zidane scored that penalty. Particularly, I was standing next to this group of racist pigs who couldn't shut the fuck up throughout the whole match. And this coming from students whom you'd expect to be a little more educated than common folk. And then there are always the idiots who start singing "football is coming home" half an hour before the end of the game. Ha.

I have the impression that half the people in that place were not true football fans and couldn't care less about the rest of the games England was not involved in. Just a pretext to get drunk and sing really.

Having said that, a lot of people say that English media complain too much. I would like to kindly refer you to the Italians and Spanish whom we didnt hear the end of after World Cup 2002. And idiot fans are everywhere. Try to catch a Syria-Lebanon game with some Syrians-ha.

Silvestre should have been sent off, no doubt. But you can take nothing away from the French team. England should have a good tournament with this showing- bar a distaster in the last 2 group games.

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Originally posted by paranoik0 england had terrible bad luck yesterday and deserve to win imo, but don't blame it on the ref

I'm not blaming defeat solely on the ref, but I was pissed off with his decision. He was weak all game, I was surprised Rooney wasn't on a yellow card and James should have been sent off as well as Silvestre.


If Eriksson was going to take Rooney off IMO he should have brought on Dyer (and that's not just my Newcastle bias). He runs all day long and has amazing pace (I'd say faster than Vassell). He could have closed them down and given us a counter-attacking option in those final few minutes, as well as scaring the French defence with his runs. He would have been a much better substitution than Heskey.

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Originally posted by Xavier agonising? Vs Iran, MCG 1997 (2-2) Vs Uruguay, Montevideo 2001 (0-3) Now those are agonising defeats

I never said Australia was any good. I thought the subject was england v france?

I've been watching England's major tournament games with interest since 1986 when they got done by Maradonna in the Mexico world cup. They've never done anything. There's always this buzz about them but they never do anything. They haven't even reached a final yet? What's going on? The closest I think they've come was when Linaker was playing in Italia 90. I thought they're games in that tournament were fantastic, but again, they didn't win anything, or get to the final.

I actually voted for England to win this tournament. I want them to win, I'm just pissed, again, that they've dissappointed.

England have had many disappointments the last 20 years but I think it's harsh to say we've done nothing. We missed a place in the 1990 and 1996 final both on penalties and World Cup 2002 we were knocked out in a tight 2-1 game with Brazil (Quarter Finals), the winners of the tournament.

The English media do hype their team up too much, but I think many foreigners react to this by underrating England. I think yesterday's game shows a lot of the hype was justified because it was a solid performance.

I haven't read the whole discussion so someone might already have pointed this out but France shouldn't have gotten that penalty in the end, it was a missjudgement from the ref...

if you look at the replay you can clearly see that it was a 100% clean challenge on the ball but the ball slipped between the goalies legs.

it's a pitty that they're not using the same system as in hockey where they can check the replay on a little monitor and base the judgement on that coz yesterday it ruined the whole match :/

the match was great. i really enjoyed it. and i must say that it was a pretty equal match. both teams had lots of chances.
and those whiners who blame the referee are jerks who cant accept a defeat.
hats of too mr Zidane. What a spectacular goal he made on that free kick.

I read in the newspaper that an expert on english soccer was asked why the englishmen always looses this kind of tournaments. He answered "englishmen are too focused on brittish soccer. they have no clue how other teams are playing. their lack of respect for other style of soccers and arrogance is the reason why they loose"

i think he was pretty right :P
funny thing to see how the brittish newspapers first salute their players and calls them "GODS" and the next day they say "booooo"

fuck brittish press

Re: France's tainted victory

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Originally posted by evil_bastard I think this deserves a thread of it's own as I consider it easily the most controversial moment of the tournament so far. The rules of football dictate that if you foul the last player on goal you automatically recieve a red card. England were rightly awarded a penalty after 72 minutes (which Beckham missed) for this horrible challenge, but France were allowed to keep 11 men on the field. France scored 2 goals in the last 2 minutes to win 2-1 against England. I don't care who played better or who "deserved" to win (certainly it wasn't France, whatever way you look at it), but the referee has directly influenced the result and has probably cost England their chances of winning group B. I can imagine this referee is very popular in France right now. You may call me bitter. Indeed I am. What happened today was an injustice, but it is not over yet. Come on England.

the phrase clutching at straws comes to mind

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Originally posted by evil_bastard England have had many disappointments the last 20 years but I think it's harsh to say we've done nothing. We missed a place in the 1990 and 1996 final both on penalties and World Cup 2002 we were knocked out in a tight 2-1 game with Brazil (Quarter Finals), the winners of the tournament. The English media do hype their team up too much, but I think many foreigners react to this by underrating England. I think yesterday's game shows a lot of the hype was justified because it was a solid performance.

It's not about something subjective like being harsh, I'm simply stating fact: no major tournament wins or finals birth since 1986, or even before then right down to 1966 I think - have they ever even won the european cup?

You can argue that they were "noble in defeat", that they "earned respect from their apponents", that they "deserved to win", that they were "defeated by the eventual winners" all you want, but, I gotta say, I'm a little tired of that. Just win the damn tournament already, or at least get in a final. They've got the players with the abilities and talent to win so they should just go do it ffs!

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Originally posted by b1_ They've got the players with the abilities and talent to win so they should just go do it ffs!

u really think so? maybe you should watch football outside the UK for once and see how far behind the UK still is considering tactics etc. it still is kick and rush football what the UK plays...
according to most english peeps Rooney is a talent. he can only run hard, same with that midget called Owen, there's absolutely no skill in them. hoping they get a ball where they can outrun their opponents. they bring nothing...

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 it hit Neville's upper shoulder and wasn't intentional. The refs will only call a handball in the box if it is blatant and clearly on the lower half of the arm. And that's the way it should be.

I agree that it wasnt intentional, but he did have his arms out. From what I've seen refs usually call it whether its intentional or not - its the rules. Don't you remember the last eurocup? Thats how france got by portugal if I recall correctly.

The game isn't finished until the final whistle. That's a basic rule in football mates.

You need a lot of moral strength to be able to score twice in 3mn during the extra time. Really. BTW I don't remember Silvestre playing any rule in Zidane's two goals, and be sure that with or without him, we would have attacked again and again, so the result would have been the same.

Maybe we are arrogant but that's a strength, coz we know that if we lose we will have to face everybody's critics and insults.

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Originally posted by Switch u really think so? maybe you should watch football outside the UK for once and see how far behind the UK still is considering tactics etc. it still is kick and rush football what the UK plays... according to most english peeps Rooney is a talent. he can only run hard, same with that midget called Owen, there's absolutely no skill in them. hoping they get a ball where they can outrun their opponents. they bring nothing...

Yes, I think so, simply because they make it into the finals regularly, and mostly advance to the knockout stages. They're no easy beats. You'd think somewhere along the line they'd get at least into a final.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 They should have a Consellation Tournament...you know...teams like Australia...

Hmm, wonder why Australia weren't in the tournament...

Well, at least we can say Scotland are undefeated in Euro 2004.

english = bad losers (no fair play when england lose)

losing is hard to accept when it comes like that, it's life, and any fan of any country would be gutted when it happens in that manner, however I think had the game ended in the 90th minute, that we wouldn't have the arrogance in some cases (mainly from people like taha who aren't even french but just want to cause shit) and those people are just jealous and losers, mosh also is like that, end of the day england were unlucky but not hard done by.

oh and taha - hooliganism was in my town, 30 arrests and one guy glassed in his face in a 100 person riot in the pub round the corner from my house (wasn't there)

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Originally posted by Ian^ oh and taha - hooliganism was in my town, 30 arrests and one guy glassed in his face in a 100 person riot in the pub round the corner from my house (wasn't there)

PICS OR STFU ... holy shit

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Originally posted by webandyscott english = bad losers (no fair play when england lose)

French = arrogant, cocky fucks who can't admit that they because of good fortune and NOT by outplaying their opponents. No wonder everybody hates the French.

However you view the rules, david james should have been sent off for his foul. Not only was he last man, it was a very poor challenge. and then england would have been forced to select a goalkeeper capable of catching.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 French = arrogant, cocky fucks who can't admit that they because of good fortune and NOT by outplaying their opponents. No wonder everybody hates the French.

Man, wtf is wrong is you altho im not a french

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