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thought this suited.. almost died of laughter after i sore this

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Originally posted by tc-fan IMO reason i found easier to use then Fruity loops..and reason comes with everything u need...with FL u need to buy more plug in etc...

definatly.. reason is the cost effective tool for making music

completely agree with mystery,,
the more effort you put in, and the more time you put in,
you get better results, and you learn to sidestep the 'limitations' of reason.
and btw, working in a limiting system can help you learn alot,,
you can always expand those limits, by increasing your knowledge

essentially,, i believe a limiting system can only make you more creative over time, not the other way around.

so, in conclusion: yay to reason!!

i never felt that reason was a limiting system, actually i switched from vst to reason, and i felt i had more freedom and sounds.

the way Reason looks, the rack, sequencer is just so cool, gives me so much apettit to make music, the unique sound of subtractor, it felt like all i needed was in Reason.

Man this s great advice I had to bookmark this page, I think the best idea heard was to just try all of them out, because I cnt really get a sense of which one is better although Im leaning towards Cubase but Im still not totally convinced because Ive always heard Reason was best of them all, although, as I said earlier excuse my noobism, wat is this VSTi that everyone speaks of and what are its advantages over reason? I mean I looked at the sticky of the best VSTi's and I was totally clueless. Also wat is a midi controller, and what is it going to do for me, the reason I ask these questions is because I am very close to purchase time and I want to make sure I get what I need the first time. Also I must concur Ive heard some of Mystery's stuff and it was damn good, and lastly I want to make progressive and some uplifting stuff is there anything that I will need to better fit these styles?

midi controller is a keyboard taht you can hook up to your computer to controll your synths. a vsti is a virtual instrument aka softsynth
the thing with softsynths is there are MANY MANY MANY ones to fit all sorts of your liking. now heres something else reason is not at all better then cubase thats like comparing a pinto to a porsche gt2. honestly if your really into and going tos tick with it get cubase and buy a midi controller like is tated i suggest the maudio oxygen line or radium search Ebay to see exactly what it is and to pick which one youd like. vstis are good and theres enough of them that you wotn ever get tired of trying them out and seeing which ones are cool and shit

usually a software has it's own synths, fx devices..

Fruity

3osc
Wasp
Simsynth
delay, reverb etc..

not sure about cubase

Logic has ES1 and 2 and ESX i think as synths and probably few more

These are the synths that are included in a software, and the ones in fruity arn't that great for a making tunes, they ok for FX and small things though, the ones in cubase i have no clue, the ones in Logic are pretty nice..Sean Tyas makes great sounds out of ES devices.

Now there are also synths or samplers or FX devices (like delay, reverbs, distortion etc.) that don't come with software packages, those you have to buy allone, and a VST device can run them in the software you use.

Reason doesn't have a VST device like that, it's a closed software with 2 synths 2 samplers (1 basic and 1 advanced which can layer samples) 1 Drum machine and 1 loop/slice player.(check out the site of Reason for the FX devices)

Now here is the important question, have you ever worked with other sequence software? if no i suggest Fruity for you, the sequence/arrangement window is really easy and when your good enough you can buy VST synths to make pro tunes( you really need VST synths to achive good tunes with fruity)

Are you a patient guy? willing to read and learn alot about how to master 2 synths and create all possible sounds with them, then i recommand Reason, the sequencer ain't hard also, but the thing is with Reason, you really need patiance.

I'd recommand reason tbh, refills are easy to find + everything you need is init imo.

Im in no rush, and I planned on just doing a lot of reading and just trying to soak up knowledge from anywhere I can especially the boards.

i dl over 10 gigs of reason refills in DC...you can get alot in DConnect..

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Originally posted by tc-fan i dl over 10 gigs of reason refills in DC...you can get alot in DConnect..

OMG! Do you mind send some to me? Hehe. Where can I go to DConnect?

At the end of the day, it's not about what the best software/setup is... it's about what the best software/setup is for YOU

I've heard tracks from people from other production boards that have a gear list bigger then my arm, but their tracks have been complete cack. If you are a good producer, then that will show through in your tracks - no matter what you use.
Although I will admit that hardware synths have a warmth and depth that soft synths lack, due to the rate softsynths are developing its only a matter of time before they catch up.

To answer the original question on wheather Reason is enough to create a 'Pro' Track (whatever that is ) the answe is YES

As to wheather it's better or worse then Floops (as is asked a lot on here) I downloaded the demos of both before choosing Reason. Both have their + & - points, in the end I chose reason simply because I felt more comftable with the layout (see my first point in this post.) Both are great programs - it's just a case of finding one for U.

All that is without mentioning Cubase, Buzz, Logic ect ect

to quickly answer your question, is reason enough?

yeah baby, yeah!

of course it's a bit limited but you have everything you really need in there, reverb, delay, compressor, dist, phazer, chorus...

2 samplers, 2 synths, 1 loopplayer, 1 drummachine and on and on and on

and imo reasons drummachine is the best softwarebased drummachine I've ever used simple but powerfull


and just to give examples that it's enough, envio use it, endre use it, nickson use it and prolly a whole lot of other producers use it

u might also want to try out orion platinum from http://www.synapse-audio.com/. the learning curve is very less compared to fruty. in fact fruity has purchased one of orions generators called wasp. do check it out orion.

Re: Is Reason Enough?

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Originally posted by VaNFeCto I had the notion to get a powerful laptop and then install reason on it. My question is this enough, will I need a keyboard or anyother sort of equipment, and will I be able to make a complete track on just reason, thanx in advance and please excuse my noobism.

No, you need some mastering software also in order to finish your tracks. Wavelab or Soundforge ( AVB uses it too ) are great programs for mastering your tracks.

I don't know if you need a keyboard. Some producers are amazing with only a mouse. They write better stuff with their mouse then with a keyboard. If you need a keyboard then get a soundcard with an ultra low latency ( ask your retailer about which laptop soundcards have low latency )

Also look for free and commercial refills at http://www.internet.is/reason/

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Originally posted by Sean Walsh Robert Nickson has made better tracks than 99% of us ever will

dunno about that, but thanks anyway

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Originally posted by Vizay and imo reasons drummachine is the best softwarebased drummachine I've ever used simple but powerfull

it's funny cause a lot of people say that and i dont use it at all.. i just a bunch of nn19s

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Originally posted by Robert dunno about that, but thanks anyway

NP, I think I own all of it on vinyl, hehe.

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Originally posted by acell definatly.. reason is the cost effective tool for making music

Reason costs about $500 doesnt it? Fl costs $50-$150, and u dont have to buy anything extra if u dont want to, theres plenty of quality free effects and synths (really). Id say fl is by far the cost effective choice.

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