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Originally posted by biznology the issue that also becomes, it is just that 100 years ago we didnt believe in electrons, now we believe them as fact. as intellect 'continues' what do we "really" know, and what do we just want to believe? sorry|

not sure what is your point? the basis of what we really know now is related to how much we can exceed what we really know before and now.

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Originally posted by u4ea:[soulstar] not sure what is your point? the basis of what we really know now is related to how much we can exceed what we really know before and now.

i see your double speak is speak-tastic!

basically what i meant is that we can mind-fuck each other all we want, but if you look at the 'progression' of knowledge over the past 100 years the 'jumps' seem less extreme. Things that were once proposterous, are now considered fact|

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Originally posted by Lephaid It'd be interesting if everything in the world were only two minutes away...

DJ'ing expenses sure would go down, hell i won't charge as much, just so i could teleport there... imagine all the shows i could play. IN ONE NIGHT! sick!

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Originally posted by Flyboy217 This is an excellent philosophical question. Rephrase it this way: Suppose you were told that there was a 100% chance of success of getting through the teleporter safely. And suppose, as before, that you accepted a material reductionist view of the mind-- that is, that the mind is nothing but the byproduct of the brain's neurochemistry. Would you go through? This is very hard to answer "no" to, because of the implications... namely, that teleportation is identical to, say, walking. However, consider it another way: Suppose you walked into the first machine, then remote machine created a copy of you, and then the first copy was destroyed in some harmless fashion. No problem, right? But suppose the first machine accidentally didn't destroy your atoms. You would be alive and well in the first machine and the second. Then suppose the first machine realizes its mistake, and decides to slaughter you. Now "you" are dead. Where's the rub? The magic is in the details. Philosophically, this sounds perplexing and paradoxical... you would like to go through because there's no difference from walking, but the second argument shows that the copy is in some way not "you." So now what's the problem? It's in what's called the "no cloning theorem," which states that a quantum state CANNOT be replicated exactly while preserving the original. That is to say, the teleporter simply must destroy the original and create the "clone" simultaneously (atom by atom, that is). The problem is getting all the atoms to go at the same time. Spooky, ain't it?

that is actually very interesting!

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Originally posted by cistane Well, whatever the case may be...I'm sure the military can find an evil use for this technology like every other technology they have corrupted

Interesting point, yet totally flawed. The truth of the matter is, odds are the military funded the research that went into this discovery. In fact most advanced research that is not cosmological is usually funded by DARPA, why you ask, because they are evil, no. Its because DARPA is willing to take much greater risks on technology than a normal private company would. If you knew anything about research and the military you would know that almost everything you use was originally developed by the military and trickled down.


Mizzuno

Interesting rebuttal, yet totally insignificant...The fact that the military funds most of the technology does not mean they don't corrupt the knowledge and utilize it in the most deadly way.

On the progression of knowledge topic...

What I think is amazing is how simple concepts are today which years ago were too complex for the ordinary mind.

Electricity, the resperatory system, hell even oxygen and other molecules in the air: these concepts were incredibly difficult to understand years ago, but today any schoolkid will tell you that oxygen from the air makes its way to the lungs, then to the circulatory system where it goes throughout the body.

Someday quantum mechanics will be the same. A quantum computer, or teleportation will be childs play. What's next?

My only regret is that I won't be there to see it all.

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Originally posted by cistane Interesting rebuttal, yet totally insignificant...The fact that the military funds most of the technology does not mean they don't corrupt the knowledge and utilize it in the most deadly way.

Well, in actuality, your case for corruption is flawed. Corruption implies an immoral alteration or evasive from what can be considered original, expected, or standard form. If the military researches knowledge and designs a new technology for a specific military purpose, that technological breakthrough is not corrupted since it satisfies the needs of what was expected and desired. If anything, the civilian offshoot of said technology is a (well meaningful) corruption of the efficacy of the originally intended use of the technology.

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Originally posted by cistane Interesting rebuttal, yet totally insignificant...The fact that the military funds most of the technology does not mean they don't corrupt the knowledge and utilize it in the most deadly way.

How about presenting some facts, instead of opinion, I have a shitload of facts to back up technology which was researched and refined by the military only to be used for public consumption, here's my first fact, look at the screen....the internet was originally contructed as DARPANET for connections between university labs doing work for the military. I have 1000's more of such examples. The word "evil" is a very subjective term as well. Also corrupting knowledge is an interesting term as knowledge cannot be corrupted, people on the other hand....

Mizzuno

OK, if we're going to be so picky with word usage, then I meant the use of the knowledge was being corrupted, not the knowledge itself.

But, if you want facts here are some

First, the definition of the word "evil"

Evil (adj.) - Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful

...As far as any simpleton should know, the military is infamous for such omninous actions...

Second, your point that..."odds are the military funded the research"...which is a statement based on all your previous knowledge of the military and its technology conflicts with an article that states...

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The research was funded by the Austrian Science Fund, the European Commission (QUEST, QUBITS and QGATES networks), the Institut f�r Quanteninformation and the Laboratory-Directed Research and Development (LDRD) program.

...no where do I see any signs of the military showing its ugly face.If you want to read the article, here ya go...
Scientists Demonstrate Teleportation with Atoms

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Originally posted by cistane OK, if we're going to be so picky with word usage, then I meant the use of the knowledge was being corrupted, not the knowledge itself. But, if you want facts here are some First, the definition of the word "evil" Evil (adj.) - Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful ...As far as any simpleton should know, the military is infamous for such omninous actions... Second, your point that..."odds are the military funded the research"...which is a statement based on all your previous knowledge of the military and its technology conflicts with an article that states... ...no where do I see any signs of the military showing its ugly face.If you want to read the article, here ya go... Scientists Demonstrate Teleportation with Atoms

The more you post the more you show just how little you know. Firstly,
your misquoted the article, which is the first sign of someone who has no idea how to interpret information. Heres the exact quote:

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"In addition to James, other investigators on the project include Mark Riebe, Hartmut H�ffner, Christian Roos, Wolfgang H�nsel, Jan Benhelm, Gavin Lancaster, Timo K�rber, Christoph Becher, Ferdinand Schmidt-Kaler and Rainer Blatt. The research was funded by the Austrian Science Fund, the European Commission (QUEST, QUBITS and QGATES networks), the Institut f�r Quanteninformation and the Laboratory-Directed Research and Development (LDRD) program."

Note: "In addition to James..." for whom does James work? Answer: Los Alamos...what is Los Alamos primary task? Answer: Nuclear Arms Stewardship....

So far you're on shaky ground, you totally left out the main person that being Daniel James, who works for Los Alamos. Theres a fact.

More reasons why you are cluless: 1. The original research into the quantum world was during the Manhattan Project....I would hope you know what that is, it was said to be a "ghostly" world by Einstein, who also worked for Los Alamos to develop the atomic bomb. One can surmise that if the atomic bomb was never researched that we would never have done the basic science necessary to begin to understand the underpinnings of the physical world. 2. This research is inexorably tied to research into quantum crytography, and the ability to crack all known encryption systems by utlizing the novel properties electrons (ie. supposition) aka qubits. This could also yield the ability to create a communications system that cannot be eavesdropped upon without the knowledge of the sender and receiver. 3. Last i looked the "evil" military is also the same military that is dedicated to protecting your sorry ass.

I will give you credit, you did a great job looking up the definition of evil, now you just have to learn something about research and technology.


Mizzuno

/ignore Cistane lol. The guys an idiot, dont bother dude.

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Originally posted by Orbax /ignore Cistane lol. The guys an idiot, dont other dude.

bother even...lol

point taken.

Mizz

you could tell from his extremist "military is evil" attitude that he was gonna be way off one some random deep end defending his little island of ignorance and accepting no new thoughts.

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Originally posted by Vigilante hahaha we did this exact same thing in philosophy last year.

Our philosophy teacher never used to let us teleport atoms

teleport me pls..

if my body wont get reconstructed on the other side, it's alright..il be a mutant! right?

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Originally posted by mizzuno The more you post the more you show just how little you know. Firstly, your misquoted the article, which is the first sign of someone who has no idea how to interpret information. Heres the exact quote: Note: "In addition to James..." for whom does James work? Answer: Los Alamos...what is Los Alamos primary task? Answer: Nuclear Arms Stewardship.... So far you're on shaky ground, you totally left out the main person that being Daniel James, who works for Los Alamos. Theres a fact. More reasons why you are cluless: 1. The original research into the quantum world was during the Manhattan Project....I would hope you know what that is, it was said to be a "ghostly" world by Einstein, who also worked for Los Alamos to develop the atomic bomb. One can surmise that if the atomic bomb was never researched that we would never have done the basic science necessary to begin to understand the underpinnings of the physical world. 2. This research is inexorably tied to research into quantum crytography, and the ability to crack all known encryption systems by utlizing the novel properties electrons (ie. supposition) aka qubits. This could also yield the ability to create a communications system that cannot be eavesdropped upon without the knowledge of the sender and receiver. 3. Last i looked the "evil" military is also the same military that is dedicated to protecting your sorry ass. I will give you credit, you did a great job looking up the definition of evil, now you just have to learn something about research and technology. Mizzuno

Tis the truth. My work in Quantum Computing (for which we just won an award ) was funded by none other than DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency). We have to brief them pretty often, too. Just to make sure we're ahead of the pack .

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Originally posted by Flyboy217 My work in Quantum Computing

holy crap, i am a good writer. a guy who works in quantum computing appreciates it. i am humbled

Oh I know what this is about...This is about yet another blind, sheep-like person being offended because I said the military does evil things. You refuse to see the truth because youre blinded by patriotism...They protect my sorry ass? right, more like they protect the country that my ass just happens to be in. You're fooled, you think the US military is so great...They could care less about you, youre just another worthless civilian to them. When they "protect" you...all they are doing is protecting the glory of the US.

And on the extremist point, no I am not an extremist...I'm more of a realist. I see the world for what it is, not what propaganda or the masses say it is. Seems like you guys are the ones not excepting new thoughts.

OH and one more thing, you misinterpreted the article...

"In addition to James, other INVESTIGATORS on the project..."
He is an investigator...he is not someone who is funding it nor someone who began the research. The people of Los Alamos only got involved after the progress in quantum teleportation.

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Originally posted by cistane Oh I know what this is about...This is about yet another blind, sheep-like person being offended because I said the military does evil things. You refuse to see the truth because youre blinded by patriotism...They protect my sorry ass? right, more like they protect the country that my ass just happens to be in. You're fooled, you think the US military is so great...They could care less about you, youre just another worthless civilian to them. When they "protect" you...all they are doing is protecting the glory of the US. And on the extremist point, no I am not an extremist...I'm more of a realist. I see the world for what it is, not what propaganda or the masses say it is. Seems like you guys are the ones not excepting new thoughts. OH and one more thing, you misinterpreted the article... "In addition to James, other INVESTIGATORS on the project..." He is an investigator...he is not someone who is funding it nor someone who began the research. The people of Los Alamos only got involved after the progress in quantum teleportation.

First of all, it's accepting new thoughts not "excepting" new thoughts. Second of all, your logical reasoning to assume that since the article termed Daniel James as the primary investigator of the technology than he is not someone who began the research is flawed. The article refers to ALL the principals as investigators. Therefore if Daniel James is not the person who started the research, and Mark Riebe is not the person who started the research, nor Hartmut H�ffner, nor Christian Roos, nor Wolfgang H�nsel, nor Jan Benhelm, nor Gavin Lancaster, nor Timo K�rber, nor Christoph Becher, nor Ferdinand Schmidt-Kaler, nor Rainer Blatt ... well now you're just out of people. It's quite funny that credit was given to every "investigator" of this technological breakthrough except for your mystery researcher! Lastly, if you weren't speaking out of your ass, perhaps you would have noticed that one of the funders of the project was the Laboratory Directed Research and Development program which is a Los Alamos program. On one final note, you're hardly a realist if you can't grasp the simple concept that this technological breakthrough was funded and researched by the military.

Of course it is going to be researched and funded by the military. My point is they are not the primary researchers or funders for this discovery.

One other thing, let's not make this a debate where we're attacking each other by demeaning the other person. Let's keep it professional.

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Originally posted by Lephaid It'd be interesting if everything in the world were only two minutes away...

more like instantly away

but distance is a factor as well

they did this expierement over a VERY short distance

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Originally posted by cistane Of course it is going to be researched and funded by the military. My point is they are not the primary researchers or funders for this discovery. One other thing, let's not make this a debate where we're attacking each other by demeaning the other person. Let's keep it professional.

Ok agreed no attacks, but maybe you should so a little reading on that institue in austria, it also has a military arm, so hopefully you can put 2 + 2 together. Also, this is the first time an atom has been teleported, before that it was an electron. All of these projects are innately military because as i said the first use of a quantum computer will be to break codes, if its not already being used. This technology is no where near ready for consmer products, although the research will affect future consumer goods, because anytime basic science is advanced it benefits all people. As for the evil military reference, it seems that you are brainwashed. I never said the military is the most upstanding entity, but its composed of regular people who just so happen to be cut from the same fabric as those who fought in WW2, I'm sure you will now come up with a way to disparage the military from WW2 as well. As for me being blinded by patriotism, this has nothing to do with patriotism and all to do with staying ahead in the science world, for which the military has played an overwhelming part. I'm still waiting for facts from you regarding inventions that the military has had a part in or rather from your perspective, has not had a part in...well heres my fact:

If you have ever used a microwave, it was originally introduced by Amana, which used to be the consumer arm of raytheon, they called it a Radar Range, Two guesses why that would be.....(hint High power radio waves....one more hint, look up the definition of radar, its actually an acronym..)

Mizzunpo

I don't think I'm necessarily brainwashed. I see the military's good attributes as well as the negative. But I derived my conclusions of the military based solely on my knowledge of it.

But back on the topic, im curious, how do you know all these facts?

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Originally posted by cistane I don't think I'm necessarily brainwashed. I see the military's good attributes as well as the negative. But I derived my conclusions of the military based soley on my knowledge of it. But back on the topic, im curious, how do you know all these facts?

Honestly, i'm an information whore...otherwise known as a nerd...as swamper can attest..



Mizzuno

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