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Is it me or this war on terror becoming more like the cruisade?

If we invade Syria and Iran and then Bush stands on a mountain with a white horse yelling Christian bible quotes while condeming Islam I think then it would be safe to say its a crusade.

Until that time I'm gonna stick with these are just really sick people that must realize by now that killing civilians gets them nothing in the end. It doesn't justify their cause any more.

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Originally posted by NYCTrancefan Haha, I didn't even realize that however unlike the U.S. government who may consider them friends, I look upon them with contempt, indignation, callousness and a sense of zero trust in such people. Saudi Arabia is no friend of mine and I feel many Americans share those feelings.

Bush loves to parade Saddam around for his human rights abuses, but the Saudi regime is equally as brutal, with its systematic use of torture. Recently, Brits, Canadians, and a Belgium were release after being framed for a terrorist bombing they didn't commit, tortured and imprisoned for years, and used as political blackmail.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004...ain615986.shtml

Isn't in Saudi Arabia that really cool looking hotel near the wate is?

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Originally posted by igottaknow It's interesting the terrorist use the same form of execution as the our friends, the Saudi Government, I wonder if we invaded the wrong country. hmmmm...

This is a legitimate point, esp. when we consider our current Administration's policies with the war on terror. There was a debate yesterday on NPR between Stephen Hayes and a former intelligence official from the State Dept. in regards to the "link" between Saddam and Al Qaeda. Hayes has written a book that argues a clear link, and actually a true relationship exists ( ), while the intelligence official was denouncing this supposed alliance.

A point that the intelligence official brought up was this: what is the country over the last 25 years that has sponsored, aided and abetted terrorism, and has given us the most trouble as a result of terrorism?

Iran.

He argued that invading Iraq effectively aided Iran by taking out one of it's long-time enemies, and that we have done very little to really address the terrorist issue with Iran. In light of recent news about IAEA's difficulties with Iran and their nuke capability, I can't help but to agree with his assessment.

In regards to Saudi Arabia, I know that there is an argument pertaining to 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers coming from there, and that we should have put a great deal more pressure on them as a result. I do agree with this, but Saudi Arabia is in a dogfight with Al Qaeda terrorists now as a result of their alliance with us. Feel free to correct me, but didn't Al Qaeda mark us as an enemy once Bush Sr. agreed to set up a military base in Saudi Arabia in '89? Al Qaeda doesn't want us anywhere near the Middle East to be sure, but did this not set them off in the first place?

One way or another, Al Qaeda isn't particular fond of the Saudi Royals ever since then, and the Saudis alliance with us no doubt is a cause of a number of attacks from Al Qaeda on the Saudis (and us, of course).

Overall I would agree that we hastily invaded the wrong country. The attraction of terrorists (esp. Al Qaeda) we helped bring into the region by our invasion is certainly another big + as well.

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Originally posted by DjSway Isn't in Saudi Arabia that really cool looking hotel near the wate is?

no. dubai

LATE BREAKING NEWS!

Saudi commandos have killed the killer! More to follow. Reuters and Fox News now reporting, BBC News has it on the ticker.

opus, i'm a firm believer that the public emulates the behavior of their government. In this case the Saudi's regime is very brutal and their ppl reflect it (just like we see in Iraq). Bush likes to make a big deal of Saddam but I never hear him mention what goes on in Saudi Arabia.

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Originally posted by imokruok LATE BREAKING NEWS! Saudi commandos have killed the killer! More to follow. Reuters and Fox News now reporting, BBC News has it on the ticker.

Just saw that as well, too bad they most likely shot them instead of beheaded them.

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil Until that time I'm gonna stick with these are just really sick people that must realize by now that killing civilians gets them nothing in the end. It doesn't justify their cause any more.

bush and his adminstration killed more civilians than those people.

but i guess that does not bother you, since it's not a life taken from the USA but just from a barberic muslim nation

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Originally posted by igottaknow Bush likes to make a big deal of Saddam but I never hear him mention what goes on in Saudi Arabia.

man, i sincerely do not want to keep harping on you, but you continue failing to see a much, much larger picture than you are willing to except.

i hope for you sake you have me on your ignore list cause your starting to make me feel bad.

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Originally posted by Q5echo man, i sincerely do not want to keep harping on you, but you continue failing to see a much, much larger picture than you are willing to except. i hope for you sake you have me on your ignore list cause your starting to make me feel bad.

what picture? pls explain

you do know that Saudi Arabia is the number 1 breeder of terrorists against the USA?

you do know that Saudi Arabia is the biggest funder for terroists..most funds come from there.

Bush. CIA. knows all that, but they are quiet about it, because Saudi Arabia is one of the nations that allows USA troops to station there, this has been all researched and published on many documentaries.

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Originally posted by Massive84 bush and his adminstration killed more civilians than those people. but i guess that does not bother you, since it's not a life taken from the USA but just from a barberic muslim nation

This thread isn't about them its about Johnson. Give me a thread about the barbaric innocent muslims and I'll show some sympathy.

Sorry if im being sympathetic to this man that was captured, and beheaded with photos on the internet for the world including his family to see. Gosh I'm American, of course I'm gonna feel this guy's pain more than people from another country.

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Originally posted by Massive84 bush and his adminstration killed more civilians than those people. but i guess that does not bother you, since it's not a life taken from the USA but just from a barberic muslim nation

How nice to see you make mention of the fact that just like all those innocent Iraqis who died this man was also innocent and living in Saudi Arabia for ten years but your blind hatred of America doesn't let you see pass that. Right is right and wrong is wrong. So don't come here and be all sanctomonious and self righteous about the innocents who have been killed in Iraq yet you fail to acknowledge the barbarous acts of these individuals who would just as easily cut off your head, being from the Netherlands doesn't offer you an exception as you would like to believe. Self righteous indignation is merely a quality of those who cannot see the bigger picture around them. So I shall explain it for you, wakeup and realize what Islamic terrorism stands for, not freedom fighters, democracy, liberty or tolerance but hatred of others, intolerance, totalitarianism and cold blooded murder.

P.S. Remember Massive84 whatever you may think of America and the Bush administration, the latter which I am certainly no fan of, two wrongs never, ever make right.

This interview was given by an average Saudi citizen during a reporter interview surrounding the beheading of Johnson: "How can we inform on our brothers when we see all these pictures coming from Abu Ghraib and Rafah," Muklas Nawaf told The Associated Press as he ate meat grilled on a spit at a restaurant called Jihad, or holy war in Arabic.

He was referring to the pictures of Iraqis abused by U.S. soldiers at the Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad and Israeli military incursions and killings in the Gaza refugee camp of Rafah.

"This is not a little skirmish. It is a war," Nawaf said.

As someone already stated in this thread, some of you people need to open your eyes, and wake up. Even if we just cut and run and became isolationist from the rest of the world it wouldn't matter. The terrorist/Islamic extreamist will always find a new reason to hate us!

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Originally posted by Massive84 what picture? pls explain you do know that Saudi Arabia is the number 1 breeder of terrorists against the USA? you do know that Saudi Arabia is the biggest funder for terroists..most funds come from there. Bush. CIA. knows all that, but they are quiet about it, because Saudi Arabia is one of the nations that allows USA troops to station there, this has been all researched and published on many documentaries.

well, your on the right track but are still too little, too late.

thanks to this administration, prince bandar, and the UN the largest of the Saudi based terrorist charities, Al-Haramain has been reorganized under multi-lateral proffesional oversight. something that this government has been trying to to for over a decade. i threaded this a couple of weeks ago here and it didn't get much play. the signifigance of the cooperation between this president and prince Bandar and other sympathetic royals in the house of Saud is truly miscredited and even scoffed at (micheal moore and farenhiet911). remember, the royal saudi family consists of over 10,000 individuals, a lot are moderates and seek peace. they want al-quaeda squashed and their influence driven out. at the same time, there are al-quaeda sympathizers within the royal family that back the jihad and palestine. it is a very private but important struggle inside the royal family and the future of the saudi empire is at stake. Al-Haramain was a big step, and there is still a ways to go.

as of june last year (the end of the war) we pulled all military assets out of Prince Sultan airbase in agreement with the Saudis, understanding the position that it put the Saudis in with the rest of the muslim world during the strategic war on islamic facism. that base had been a sore spot with the Saudis since the first gulf war but was put there to protect the interests against saddam. the saudis made us promise we leave it once we ended our military campaign with saddam since we couldn't use turkey exclusively. we crushed saddam as fast as we could in order to pull out of Saudi Arabia. we did, and we left practically the day after.

this is only the tip of the iceberg.

this is ridicilous.

The very same people that now are arguing for us to do something about Saudia Arabia. Would be the ones that would cry 'bloody murder' if the USA actually did something about it.

Lets assume you are all right - Saudia Arabis is a horrible, horrible place, that only breeds terrorists. Can you imagine to yourself the world/UN reaction when the USA comes to them with a proposal to invade?




...and guess whou would be the one screaming "HELL NO" to the USA about invading Saudia Arabia? I'd put my money on the same people like igottaknow that are protesting the fact that they aren't doing it now. I recall the same type of attitude with North Korea...


Ok now that you are back to reality realize that Saudia Arabis is not a perfect country by any means. But they are doing something, and they are supporting your and the global economy (oil = stability). Without the stability of the global economy you can have no real war on terror without turning it into a world war.

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Originally posted by Yoepus Can you imagine to yourself the world/UN reaction when the USA comes to them with a proposal to invade?

Hmmm the UN and most of the world condemnation didn't stop the US from invading Iraq why would it stop them from invading SA if they really wanted to. Oh that's right even though the Saudi regime is awful and indirectly lead to the 9/11 attacks they shouldn't be dealt harshly with because the sell us cheap oil and are "friendly".

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...and guess whou would be the one screaming "HELL NO" to the USA about invading Saudia Arabia?

I'm not arguing we should invade them, I'm pointing out an inconsistent policy that calls for preemptive military attacks on countries with strong ties to terrorist. SA and Iran are the strongholds of terrorism not Iraq. Put that in your Israeli pipe and smoke it.

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Originally posted by igottaknow Hmmm the UN and most of the world condemnation didn't stop the US from invading Iraq why would it stop them from invading SA if they really wanted to. Oh that's right even though the Saudi regime is awful and indirectly lead to the 9/11 attacks they shouldn't be dealt harshly with because the sell us cheap oil and are "friendly". I'm not arguing we should invade them, I'm pointing out an inconsistent policy that calls for preemptive military attacks on countries with strong ties to terrorist. SA and Iran are the strongholds of terrorism not Iraq. Put that in your Israeli pipe and smoke it.

okay, your not saying we should invade SA, but your not really saying anything.

you've pointed out SA with little insight into the complexity of it all and you've done the same with Iran.

you've failed to mention Syria. my opinion being Iran and Syria the most complicated and deadly of the hotbeds of Islamic facism now that Saddam is gone.

in strategic terms we have divided the area in half and isolated the the remaining strongholds of our objectives ( Iran and the Med coast ). there is much diplomatic, military and peaceful resolutions that need to be addressed in the regions we occupy now and regions we don't occupy. how is this going to play on the world stage? i don't know yet but we have only been doing this for little over a year now and we need as much help as we can get from people that have a vested interest in peace. and that includes Prince Bandar and the Saudis.

flame on igottaknow, but the world is moving with or without you.

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Originally posted by Yoepus this is ridicilous. The very same people that now are arguing for us to do something about Saudia Arabia. Would be the ones that would cry 'bloody murder' if the USA actually did something about it. Lets assume you are all right - Saudia Arabis is a horrible, horrible place, that only breeds terrorists. Can you imagine to yourself the world/UN reaction when the USA comes to them with a proposal to invade? ...and guess whou would be the one screaming "HELL NO" to the USA about invading Saudia Arabia? I'd put my money on the same people like igottaknow that are protesting the fact that they aren't doing it now. I recall the same type of attitude with North Korea... Ok now that you are back to reality realize that Saudia Arabis is not a perfect country by any means. But they are doing something, and they are supporting your and the global economy (oil = stability). Without the stability of the global economy you can have no real war on terror without turning it into a world war.

Personally I wouldn't have anything against the US invading SA. I kinda have a thing for strict socialist regimes, that's why it would madden me if the US would invade North Korea, as well as it did when they invaded Iraq. But I've got no problem with invading SA, Afghanistan and all the other countries stuck in the middle ages.

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