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| hi, my boyfriend is in the U.S. army so i think i know a little bit more than you. again, contractors are NOT solidiers. |
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| is it just me or is Lee the new John when it comes to spelling? flameing catigory obviousely happends rediculasly wipeing |
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| Originally posted by sandstorm03 http://www.signonsandiego.com/union...n7contract.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...-2004May12.html now plase stop wineing... |
Line Increasingly Blurred Between Soldiers and Civilian Contractors
By Ariana Eunjung Cha and Renae Merle
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, May 13, 2004; Page A01
While on missions in Iraq last year, 35-year-old Todd Drobnick was attacked by small-arms fire, grenades and makeshift bombs. Yet he continued to go out day after day, until he died in a vehicle crash on his way from one U.S. military base to another. For his loyalty and dedication, he was posthumously awarded a Purple Heart and Bronze Star.
Thousands of Americans in Iraq have received such honors, but Drobnick's case was unusual: He wasn't a soldier. He was a private contractor working with a translation company.
"He died in the service of his country and the gratitude of his comrades is deep and lasting," U.S. Army Col. Gary L. Parrish, assistant chief of staff of intelligence, wrote in a letter to Drobnick's family after his death.
Several other contractors have received battlefield commendations in Iraq, too, but the military says it was a mistake. Only active-duty soldiers are eligible for the awards and those received by civilians are being rescinded.
The confusion demonstrates that in many situations soldiers and civilian contractors have become virtually indistinguishable -- and interchangeable -- in postwar Iraq.
now you please stfu...
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| Originally posted by sandstorm03 wineing... |
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| Originally posted by trunks1022 whining |
Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.
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| I'm sure they will all be avenged. |
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| Originally posted by PVD_S11DJ please stop equating innocent american lives with those of murderous primitive savages. thx so much...  |
ahahahah lee, read your post AGAIN. you are so contributing to my point!!! (thanks)
"He wasn't a soldier. He was a private contractor working with a translation company."
TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS.
so, if a maid who cleans solidiers quarters works on base- that makes her part of the military? lol get a clue...and take some spelling lessons FFS! your spelling and your arguments make you seem uneducated.
KTHANXBYE!!!!!
The confusion demonstrates that in many situations soldiers and civilian contractors have become virtually indistinguishable -- and interchangeable -- in postwar Iraq.
your blind just like every other girl
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| Originally posted by sandstorm03 The confusion demonstrates that in many situations soldiers and civilian contractors have become virtually indistinguishable -- and interchangeable -- in postwar Iraq. your blind just like every other girl |
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The confusion demonstrates that in many situations soldiers and civilian contractors have become to all purposes indistinguishable -- and interchangeable -- in postwar Iraq.
Private contractors have long served alongside soldiers in wars, but their duties used to be relatively mundane: cooking, supporting technology systems, transporting supplies. There has been a significant shift in recent years, however, in the duties the Pentagon has entrusted to contractors. Companies are now taking more responsibility for some of the military's most sensitive jobs -- providing technical trainers, security protection details, linguistics experts, and "intelligence services," a catchall term that includes everything involved in the gathering and analysis of data.
Fairfax's SRA International Inc., for example, provides scientists to help investigate biological and chemical weapons that Saddam Hussein's regime might have developed. Arlington's CACI International Inc. has a one-year contract to provide prison interrogators. San Diego's Titan Corp. -- Drobnick's employer -- supplies interpreters who are inseparable from soldiers who go out into Iraqi communities in their Humvees.
Pentagon officials have said using contractors saves money, allows the military to tap the private sector for skills it lacks and forces it to concentrate on its core mission of protecting the country. But the independence with which contractors operate is heightening concerns that the line between the military and its contractors has become too blurry and whether the military become too dependent on contractors it can't properly control.
Of particular concern to Congress has been where -- or if -- contractors fall in the military chain of command.
In a report summarizing an Army investigation into what happened at Abu Ghraib, Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba concluded that a contractor for CACI International may have allowed or instructed soldiers to abuse prisoners. One translator for Titan Corp. was admonished for providing false statements to investigators and another was named as a suspect and witness. The military employs 27 CACI interrogators and hundreds of Titan translators in Iraq, according to congressional testimony by Lt. Gen. Lance L. Smith, deputy command of Central Command.
Four contract interrogators, six contract screeners -- who decide the level of "intelligence value" detainees might have -- and numerous contract translators were stationed at Abu Ghraib.
Contractors typically have no formal authority to manage military personnel and many consider themselves partners or advisers. In practice, however, soldiers say contractors may exert tremendous influence on the rank and file because of their technical expertise and because they are often brought in to work with high-level military officials. Their presence, some argue, has complicated what used to be a clear chain of command. Military contracts lay out the limits of contractors' duties and responsibilities in clear terms, officials say, but in the field their roles often change depending on their backgrounds and their relationships with soldiers.
your right contractors are 100% innocent.
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| Originally posted by sandstorm03 vir�tu�al�ly In fact or to all purposes The confusion demonstrates that in many situations soldiers and civilian contractors have become to all purposes indistinguishable -- and interchangeable -- in postwar Iraq. Private contractors have long served alongside soldiers in wars, but their duties used to be relatively mundane: cooking, supporting technology systems, transporting supplies. There has been a significant shift in recent years, however, in the duties the Pentagon has entrusted to contractors. Companies are now taking more responsibility for some of the military's most sensitive jobs -- providing technical trainers, security protection details, linguistics experts, and "intelligence services," a catchall term that includes everything involved in the gathering and analysis of data. Fairfax's SRA International Inc., for example, provides scientists to help investigate biological and chemical weapons that Saddam Hussein's regime might have developed. Arlington's CACI International Inc. has a one-year contract to provide prison interrogators. San Diego's Titan Corp. -- Drobnick's employer -- supplies interpreters who are inseparable from soldiers who go out into Iraqi communities in their Humvees. Pentagon officials have said using contractors saves money, allows the military to tap the private sector for skills it lacks and forces it to concentrate on its core mission of protecting the country. But the independence with which contractors operate is heightening concerns that the line between the military and its contractors has become too blurry and whether the military become too dependent on contractors it can't properly control. Of particular concern to Congress has been where -- or if -- contractors fall in the military chain of command. In a report summarizing an Army investigation into what happened at Abu Ghraib, Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba concluded that a contractor for CACI International may have allowed or instructed soldiers to abuse prisoners. One translator for Titan Corp. was admonished for providing false statements to investigators and another was named as a suspect and witness. The military employs 27 CACI interrogators and hundreds of Titan translators in Iraq, according to congressional testimony by Lt. Gen. Lance L. Smith, deputy command of Central Command. Four contract interrogators, six contract screeners -- who decide the level of "intelligence value" detainees might have -- and numerous contract translators were stationed at Abu Ghraib. Contractors typically have no formal authority to manage military personnel and many consider themselves partners or advisers. In practice, however, soldiers say contractors may exert tremendous influence on the rank and file because of their technical expertise and because they are often brought in to work with high-level military officials. Their presence, some argue, has complicated what used to be a clear chain of command. Military contracts lay out the limits of contractors' duties and responsibilities in clear terms, officials say, but in the field their roles often change depending on their backgrounds and their relationships with soldiers. your right contractors are 100% innocent. |
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| Originally posted by sandstorm03 vir�tu�al�ly In fact or to all purposes The confusion demonstrates that in many situations soldiers and civilian contractors have become to all purposes indistinguishable -- and interchangeable -- in postwar Iraq. Private contractors have long served alongside soldiers in wars, but their duties used to be relatively mundane: cooking, supporting technology systems, transporting supplies. There has been a significant shift in recent years, however, in the duties the Pentagon has entrusted to contractors. Companies are now taking more responsibility for some of the military's most sensitive jobs -- providing technical trainers, security protection details, linguistics experts, and "intelligence services," a catchall term that includes everything involved in the gathering and analysis of data. Fairfax's SRA International Inc., for example, provides scientists to help investigate biological and chemical weapons that Saddam Hussein's regime might have developed. Arlington's CACI International Inc. has a one-year contract to provide prison interrogators. San Diego's Titan Corp. -- Drobnick's employer -- supplies interpreters who are inseparable from soldiers who go out into Iraqi communities in their Humvees. Pentagon officials have said using contractors saves money, allows the military to tap the private sector for skills it lacks and forces it to concentrate on its core mission of protecting the country. But the independence with which contractors operate is heightening concerns that the line between the military and its contractors has become too blurry and whether the military become too dependent on contractors it can't properly control. Of particular concern to Congress has been where -- or if -- contractors fall in the military chain of command. In a report summarizing an Army investigation into what happened at Abu Ghraib, Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba concluded that a contractor for CACI International may have allowed or instructed soldiers to abuse prisoners. One translator for Titan Corp. was admonished for providing false statements to investigators and another was named as a suspect and witness. The military employs 27 CACI interrogators and hundreds of Titan translators in Iraq, according to congressional testimony by Lt. Gen. Lance L. Smith, deputy command of Central Command. Four contract interrogators, six contract screeners -- who decide the level of "intelligence value" detainees might have -- and numerous contract translators were stationed at Abu Ghraib. Contractors typically have no formal authority to manage military personnel and many consider themselves partners or advisers. In practice, however, soldiers say contractors may exert tremendous influence on the rank and file because of their technical expertise and because they are often brought in to work with high-level military officials. Their presence, some argue, has complicated what used to be a clear chain of command. Military contracts lay out the limits of contractors' duties and responsibilities in clear terms, officials say, but in the field their roles often change depending on their backgrounds and their relationships with soldiers. your right contractors are 100% innocent. |
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| Originally posted by PVD_S11DJ lee I didnt know you were such a good writer -im very impressed! |
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| working FOR something does not mean you are a PART of something...i never said contractors didnt work for the military, but again, they ARE NOT U.S. SOLIDIERS |
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| Originally posted by trancEyes22 he didnt write that- look at the spelling. the words are actually spelled RIGHT |
i never would have guessed
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| Originally posted by sandstorm03 so do you believe them to be innocent civillians? |
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| Originally posted by PVD_S11DJ daniel berg |
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| Originally posted by DR86 sweet. it's nick berg and daniel pearl. get it right. jeez... |
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| ok, lets make it 3 then... nick berg, daniel pearl and paul johnson -- still all innocent |
This thread is nothing but a fuckin insult to the man's memory now. ffs that's enough...
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| Originally posted by PVD_S11DJ lee I didnt know you were such a good writer -im very impressed! |
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| Originally posted by sandstorm03 if i was an arab, id take off your head to make u shut the hell up |
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| Originally posted by sandstorm03 if i was an arab, id take off your head to make u shut the hell up |
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| Originally posted by PVD_S11DJ very classy lee |
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