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ok, who here has stablility problems with there pc?

i never have problems with ANYTHING

ps. don't let you little bro install kazaa on your pc

I've seen stability problems with PC/windows.. but then again i work with computers, I probably see computers more often than others.

Problems with drivers, windows registry, ...the list goes on. From my personal professional experience, I see that PC/Windows machines have the most problems as compared to other computers/workstations such as MACs, Sparcstations,Ultra enterprise machines,....

Granted that all computers have problems, my experience is that Windows has the most problems (IMO)... and I work mainly with UNIX.

My opinion may be biased as I work for the Windows competitor which is Sun Microsystems.

I agree with refraining from installing KMD.

HAHAHA if your using a mac your school has more then likely its horse shit as your probly the 10,000 person to use it and probly the 20th thousands to change something on it. honestly macs are hella more stable then pc. if you ever have a problem with your mac restart and it fixes itself. no im not kidding ive done techsupport where the company supported both mac and pc and trust me there were 2 people in the mac department and over 200 in the pc department. macs are better for many reasons the os being one. now windows well windows isnt all that bad just dont fuck up your registry, thus meaning dont bother hooking it up to the internet. i mean really it all depends how you run your box and what you have on it. with proper tools and matience you can make a pc run almost as good as a mac but it wont ever touch it. heres something to think about nasa used macs they had for 10years before retiring them whereas they changed their pc every 2years.

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Originally posted by SUNWmsf I've seen stability problems with PC/windows.. but then again i work with computers, I probably see computers more often than others. Problems with drivers, windows registry, ...the list goes on. From my personal professional experience, I see that PC/Windows machines have the most problems as compared to other computers/workstations such as MACs, Sparcstations,Ultra enterprise machines,.... Granted that all computers have problems, my experience is that Windows has the most problems (IMO)... and I work mainly with UNIX. My opinion may be biased as I work for the Windows competitor which is Sun Microsystems. I agree with refraining from installing KMD.

Your opinion is EXTREMELY biased. But that is because you are an anti Microsoft ZEALOT. I mean when you say things like "windoze sucks", you are proven to have zero objectivity, and QUITE immature. Opinions like yours belong on Slashdot, NOT in a thread where a person is trying to make an informed decision on what platform to base their DAW on.

So what, Windows can have problems, but so can Linux, Unix, OS X and Solaris..
You act like Microsoft makes errors in their software for the hell of it. Microsoft is the largest, most successful software company in the world.. they've had to have been doing something right .

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Anyways. The answer to this question is difficult, but obviously not impossible.

1. If you have limited funds, you are going pc. Powerful Apple computers are just far to expensive to be viable when you have a budget. If not, see number 2.

2. What are you currently familiar with. I'm guessing you are familiar with PC, but if you use a mac, this thread might not exist, and you might be in love With Steve Jobs. Familiarity is key, if you don't know Windows, and you know Os 10, well, go for mac. If you know Windows, and don't know Os 10, then go for Windows. Because learning a new OS will slow down your production, and will cause problems for you if you mess something up, and don't know how to fix it.. etc. I've used both platforms quite extensively, and OS X was easy to pick up, but is also the least customizable and more of a "cookie cutter" OS but with its own share of things that just didn't make sense. I've used windows more than mac, and it just does things how I like them to be done. But that is me. Most people who use windows, and claim its buggy, and crashes alot, are people who don't know how to effectively maintain, and use a computer. Simple as that. My computer doesn't crash.

If windows has more tech support calls, its only because they have about 98% of the Home computer market, and there are alot of stupid people out there. "2 people in the mac department and over 200 in the pc department. " That is because of the market share. Put it in a ratio, and its about equal. There are FAR FAR less mac users out there, therefore they have less techsupport.

3. What sequencer do you use, or do you plan to use. You can get logic 5.5, cubase 2, protools, sonar, reason and FL studio for pc. You can get Logic 6, Digital Performer, protools, cubase 2, and reason on mac. You might do some reviews on the sequencer you pick for both platforms, and see if the reviewer said anything about performance regarding platform, or if there were any other issues with that particular version.

4. Speed. Most "maclots" will say the G5 is the fastest desktop computer in the world. Wrong. Even when apple was making that claim, benchmarks were floating around where a "top of the line" pc was winning some, and the mac was winning others. A dual Opteron system will do you just as well as a dual g5 system will. Don't take anyone's advice on a specific product at face value. ALWAYS go on the internet and search for reviews, and in the computer market, look for benchmarks and look at your own personal needs. When someone says "hands down get a g5", that is NOT a reccomendation personallized to you, and may not be the correct choice for you.

5. So pretty much what I'm saying is.. go out and do your research. Go read reviews, go to a computer store that sells both (NOT BEST BUY OR ONE OF THOSE , I mean a mom and pop place, with people that actually KNOW things), and ask them what they think about it.

To those people who fear the registry.. the registry is quite a powerful tool, and allows windows and its applications to be modified in fun and useful ways. If you don't know what you are doing with it, don't fuck with it. As long as you don't randomly delete programs without uninstalling them or wierd stupid shit like that, your registry should be just fine.

"heres something to think about nasa used macs they had for 10years before retiring them whereas they changed their pc every 2years."
This quote made me laugh. First of all, you didn't say where that quote came from (it's probably fake, I dono), but if it is true, it is probably because the Mac's didn't get very much useage, therefore they just sat around and didn't need replacing. The Pc's got more usage, and they needed more horsepower out of them as their applications got more complex, so they upgraded. Computers for the most part don't just wear out, to the point that you replace whole lots of them..

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hi, im new here but id like to pitch a thought that ive been getting pretty consistently in the 8 months since i started producing hard dance music and from the people whom i share tracks and feedback. i use fl studio 4.1 on a 1.6ghz machine with an onboard sound chip. i dont have a midi keyboard. i click the notes into the piano roll. i have a pair of 7 watt speakers for monitoring. improving all the time and im comfortable in the workspace ive got. so i can enjoy some pretty productive sessions if i render everything to wav and resequence it. not only that, but ive seen people who have produced seriously competant tracks (way better than mine) on amigas using 15 year old trackers that make my rig look spaceage in comparison. and ive seen low end pc users at my uni do the most amazing shit with what i used to consider the worst tools including crap sounblaster cards, cheap drum samples and freeware VSTis. i think the difference between a mac and pc is more a question of comfort and familiarity as has been said already by a few people. i didnt like macs because they were expensive and the 1 keyed mouse just felt...wrong. other than that i couldnt really get to grips with osx because id been a windows user for a long time prior to using a mac. i feel more comfortable using a pc simply because im just used to working with pcs. with macs it felt like i encountered considerable 'resistance' from the interface and layout of osx cuz i hadnt adjusted to it and i was used to the layout and interface of windows. of course if you find that working on macs comes naturally then by all means go for whichever is as pain free as possible to use day to day. the last thing you want to do is buy a comp for production purposes and find that you are hindered by an interface which you find is convoluted and awkward and which you have to fight against all the time to get it to do the things you want. also take into account the cpu and how an equivilent pc and mac measure up cpu wise. the big limiting factor for me is definitely cpu load. on most of my tracks i hit the big 100 prematurely and it becomes nearly impossible to add anything else without it glitching or crashing or stuttering like mad.

also, windows xp isnt that bad really. its being patched all the time for security issues and as long as you dont go downloading and running .exe or .bat files from kazaa or porn news groups and keep windows up to date then you wont get 99% of all viruses. most people who get viruses do so because they are careless.

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Originally posted by Thunder5 Click here for a benchmark "duel" between Mac and PC... Though it is a graphic benchmark test it gives a good view what the computers are capable as graphic editing and rendering uses as much CPU (and other resources) as producing. But after all performance wise there is very little difference between the two. The things you need to look at are the way you work and the way you feel.

Those are G4 benchmarks. The new dual G5s with 1Ghz FSB and between 1GB and 8 GB of RAM would DESTROY any PC today.

I visited Deluxe Motion Picture & Sound Studios downtown a week ago and noticed they ran all their Pro-Tools and automation/software on rack-mounted-G4 computers. This is the same company that you see at the end of most movie credits saying "Colour By Deluxe"...... that is all.
APPLE rules... but PC has it's strong points too (that's why most of us have PCs)

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Originally posted by SgtFoo Those are G4 benchmarks. The new dual G5s with 1Ghz FSB and between 1GB and 8 GB of RAM would DESTROY any PC today.

Of course G5 destroys your P4 or athlon xp because G5 is 64bit cpu and P4 and athlon are 32bit.
Like I've already said in this thread Dual Opteron or Athlon64 will do the same as G5.

The G5 is defo better at the mo, but when microsoft gets off its ass and puts out windows xp 64 things should be a lot more even. Its a matter or taste, not power, if you buy the top end pc or the top end mac they'l be more or less equal, it comes down to personal preference every time, what you want it for, what programs you like, how much cash you got, everyones in a different situation. I like macs, but i cant afford em so iv got an amd 64 3200+ which would piss all over a g4 on benchmarks n stuff but if you use logic it obviously wouldnt be worth getting. Fuck knows whats gonna happen tho when intel put out a 64 bit 2mb cache 3ghz hyperthreading se4 beast, probs be a g7 out by then tho.

ok, i have to join in to the fray here at some point....

well, as people here have suggested, mac is a technically better platform, mostly because of the design of the OS. To the person that said virsus are more of a problem on windows than linux/mac because there are more windows machines. Thats crap. total, utter crap. Check how many web servers run windows... mmm? not tons, viruses are are not a problem on linux/mac because of the design of the OS from the ground up with some notion of security and multiuser nature. Linux/mac is designed to run on a network, that's where it was born. Unlike the home pc based windows (yes i know XP is an NT kernel, but it's all based around a home user mentality isn't it) anyway. Use what you are happy with...

I produce music (breaks and progressive) with my crappy compaq laptop (650 mhz) running linux. I'm quite happy with it as a platform but not all vst's currently work, and it makes collab's a bit more difficult because most people are using windows or mac in the music scene.

If anybody else is using linux and making prog/breaks message me btw!!

www.gazuga.net, sampler i use (and help write)

The DAW i use

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Originally posted by DynaFire To the person that said virsus are more of a problem on windows than linux/mac because there are more windows machines. Thats crap. total, utter crap. Check how many web servers run windows... mmm? not tons, viruses are are not a problem on linux/mac because of the design of the OS from the ground up with some notion of security and multiuser nature. Linux/mac is designed to run on a network, that's where it was born. Unlike the home pc based windows (yes i know XP is an NT kernel, but it's all based around a home user mentality isn't it) anyway. Use what you are happy with...

Actually you are full of crap. Virus writers do not target Apple's machines because there are 98% more windows machines out there. Period. And OS X isn't based on Linux, it is based on UNIX, while Linux is based on UNIX, you cannot claim that becuase OS X is a cousin of Linux, it is as secure as linux. And yeah, Mac computers actually pick up just as many viruses as windows do... they just pick up the windows viruses. While they cannot do damage to the MAC computer, if you run a virus scan on your mac, you will pick them up.

Windows is not all based around a "home user mentality". That is a load of shit and you know it. NT was/is a business OS. Period. It was built to be used only for business, but MS decided later in the game to migrate it to their Home market. How can you claim that OS X is any more of a business OS than Microsoft windows is? Who has all the little animated crap, and the pretty Icons? hmmm.

Not as many webservers run windows as linux, for one reason. Because linux is free, and windows server 2003 is not. I have alot of expirience in the hosting business, and I know this for a fact.

"Linux/mac is designed to run on a network, that's where it was born."

So was Windows NT. Windows NT also has a multiuser nature. Infact, Apple doesn't have an equivelant to microsoft's massive scale domain login systems. The network admin at my school manages an OS X lab, and 2 windows labs, and he noted that the networking in OS X felt more like an afterthought than a core piece of the os. From my expirience with it, I have to agree with him.

Stop spreading stuff you made up and misinformation.

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MAC/PC wars are retarded.


I work with both systems, and they are 100% comparable in every respect. The differences are so little they are neglegible. It really comes down to a question of price and style.

For the price of a mac you get a pc that's much faster, that's a fact.

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Originally posted by wayfinder MAC/PC wars are retarded. I work with both systems, and they are 100% comparable in every respect. The differences are so little they are neglegible. It really comes down to a question of price and style. For the price of a mac you get a pc that's much faster, that's a fact.

I have to agree with you there, Read my other long post.. it has much less contention . When someone is bsing though.. its hard to not set the record straight.

Regardless, I agree with your above stated.

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I've been a dedicated mac user for a long time. Recently I got my hands on a Thinkpad G40. In all honesty, I think I'd be lost wihtout either one of them. I don't think its so much a matter of what system you're running so much as your software. You can't run Sonar on a mac, and you can't run Logic on a PC. I use the PC more now than the mac, but that's because its portable and I'm running Sonar3. But I have a number of things I can only do on my Mac. I'd say base your decision on where you can get the most power for the money, and on what software you want to run.

Vert, i'm not sure if i should reply, you didn't really come up with much hard evidance on your ideas. Really, try and write a worm virus for linux. Notice the difficulty? Now write one for windows. Look at what the NSA suggests of a secure platform. I'm a linux user so i'm not sure why you bring up OS X. But if you want to contend the security features of this 'Unix' system you talk about, which is actually a family of operating systems. OSX is based of one member of this family, one of the BSD's. BSD is actually known for being more secure than linux, not less. See especially NetBSD. I was suggesting the home user mentality for the application writers. The api's are more what matters in this context. BSD type systems which OS X is one of formed the first ever networks, so yes BSD was born for networks, where as windows wasn't. I suggest Operating Systems Concepts by Silberschatz and Galvin as a good introduction to these concepts.

Originally posted by DynaFire:
Vert, i'm not sure if i should reply, you didn't really come up with much hard evidance on your ideas. Really, try and write a worm virus for linux. Notice the difficulty? Now write one for windows. ( I never spoke about this in my post. So why are you telling me this? ) Look at what the NSA suggests of a secure platform. I'm a linux user so i'm not sure why you bring up OS X. ( I spoke about it [os x], because the topic at hand is Windows/PC versus Mac OS X. ) But if you want to contend the security features of this 'Unix' system you talk about (You are putting words in my mouth or something. I mentioned unix once, and I never said that it was a specific OS.) , which is actually a family of operating systems. OSX is based of one member of this family, one of the BSD's. BSD is actually known for being more secure than linux, not less. (You are off on a tangent here or something.) See especially NetBSD. I was suggesting the home user mentality for the application writers. (You sure didn't make that clear. ) The api's are more what matters in this context. BSD type systems which OS X is one of formed the first ever networks,(Italiziced sentance: How am I soposed to make any sense out of this? "is one of formed the first ever networks"? In what context? How? WTF? yeek.) so yes BSD was born for networks,(Your statement prooved nothing.) where as windows wasn't (provide some "hard evidence".) I suggest Operating Systems Concepts by Silberschatz and Galvin as a good introduction to these concepts.

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Overall your post is quite irrelevant to my points, you don't relly provide any hard evidence yourself. You imply that I said things that I most certainly did not, then you attempt to correct said things. Don't do that. If you want to address the topics at hand, I will surely take your points to heart, but until then.. I don't really care.

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FFS. Get a LIFE !
You need a lesson.

Go away troll.

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