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Originally posted by loconet I've had it for a while and i love it

I got it at the same time as him
Love gmail

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Originally posted by Durafei Please don't post misinformed statements such as this. Google's software does scan e-mails, but it never sells anything to other companies. What they do is is display ads that are relevant to the content of the message. Your e-mail remains private and nobody else sees it except you. What most people don't understand is that ALL e-mails are scanned by some kind of software - be it mail server, SPAM control software etc. So if you are really concerned about privacy you shouldn't really be using e-mail at all, or you must encrypt all your messages.

Meh, you're entitled to your opinion of course, but obviously it's going to be company policy to SAY they won't use your personal data just like it was company policy for google to SAY that they never had any tracking cookies, and it was company policy to SAY after people proved the existence of those tracking cookies that they didn't contain any personal or uniquely identifiable information.

I'll make a long story short - it's been said that the best kind of advertising is the kind that hits you without you even knowing it. Google has that down to a science, and a cursory look at the quality of their search results nowadays will give you some insight into their corporate whoring. Personally, I didn't bother acting on my invite. I much prefer my POP mail and forwarding addresses which my webspace/domain provider lets me access through the web anyway. Costing me $6 a year for the domain. I think I can handle it.

But hey, if you like spyware-sponsored web mail than by all means, make it your primary. I know I won't be sending any mail to a gmail address - it's one thing having it scanned for spam or virii, but quite another having it scanned for personal profiling.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Meh, you're entitled to your opinion of course, but obviously it's going to be company policy to SAY they won't use your personal data just like it was company policy for google to SAY that they never had any tracking cookies, and it was company policy to SAY after people proved the existence of those tracking cookies that they didn't contain any personal or uniquely identifiable information. I'll make a long story short - it's been said that the best kind of advertising is the kind that hits you without you even knowing it. Google has that down to a science, and a cursory look at the quality of their search results nowadays will give you some insight into their corporate whoring. Personally, I didn't bother acting on my invite. I much prefer my POP mail and forwarding addresses which my webspace/domain provider lets me access through the web anyway. Costing me $6 a year for the domain. I think I can handle it. But hey, if you like spyware-sponsored web mail than by all means, make it your primary. I know I won't be sending any mail to a gmail address - it's one thing having it scanned for spam or virii, but quite another having it scanned for personal profiling.

Have you been reading www.google-watch.org by any chance??
If you so you should read www.google-watch-watch.org. Independent opinion about a guy who makes www.google-watch.org

Now, do you know how SMPT(Simple Mail Transfer Protocol) works ??

Well if you don't - I'll give you a brief overview. When you send an e-mail, it first ends up on your local mail server(which could well be your own box if you running your own mail server). It then gets sent to the mail server of the receiver(thus if you send it to [email protected], it ends up on Hotmail's mail server). The message stays there until Joe has received the message(in case of hotmail it may stay there forever, until Joe deleted it)

What makes you think that you destination mail server is not going to be profiling you or your receiver? I can't believe you are turning like this on Google(which has provided so many people with it's exceptional search engine, and has forced other providers like Yahoo to also improve their service), and at the same time ignoring companies such as Microsoft, whose policies are much less ethical. You should be consistent - not sending to gmail, then you shouldn't be sending to ANYONE, especially to recepients who use hotmail.

BTW, do you own a credit card ?? Well, your credit card company could be profiling you as well. Your bank too. Should I hide my money under pillow now ?

Don't be so paranoid. Take life easier - and you'll find yourself to be a much happier person.

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Meh, you're entitled to your opinion of course, but obviously it's going to be company policy to SAY they won't use your personal data just like it was company policy for google to SAY that they never had any tracking cookies, and it was company policy to SAY after people proved the existence of those tracking cookies that they didn't contain any personal or uniquely identifiable information.

Do you really think Google would be lying about things such as this ?? Especially prior to their 2.5 billion IPO ? If they get caught(and many companies these days do) their days would be over. It doesn't make any sense for them to lie.

BTW, Google was started as a purely academic project. Larry and Sergey(founders) are not interested in money at all, which can be demonstrated by their reluctance to go public.

Apparently both guys still drive old used cars, and live in a cheap 1 bdrm apt.(unconfirmed, but rumoured)

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Originally posted by Durafei Have you been reading www.google-watch.org by any chance?? If you so you should read www.google-watch-watch.org. Independent opinion about a guy who makes www.google-watch.org Now, do you know how SMPT(Simple Mail Transfer Protocol) works ?? Well if you don't - I'll give you a brief overview. When you send an e-mail, it first ends up on your local mail server(which could well be your own box if you running your own mail server). It then gets sent to the mail server of the receiver(thus if you send it to [email protected], it ends up on Hotmail's mail server). The message stays there until Joe has received the message(in case of hotmail it may stay there forever, until Joe deleted it) What makes you think that you destination mail server is not going to be profiling you or your receiver? I can't believe you are turning like this on Google(which has provided so many people with it's exceptional search engine, and has forced other providers like Yahoo to also improve their service), and at the same time ignoring companies such as Microsoft, whose policies are much less ethical. You should be consistent - not sending to gmail, then you shouldn't be sending to ANYONE, especially receives who use hotmail. BTW, do you own a credit card ?? Well, your credit card company could be profiling you as well. Your bank too. Should I hide my money under pillow now ? Don't be so paranoid. Take life easier - and you'll find yourself to be a much happier person.

I'm with you on this one. I can't believe how much fuss people are making about all this.

Yah privacy needs to be protected for our own good but from there to not send emails to someone who uses gmail? c'mon, Digi, you are smarter than that. As Durafe said, Google should be the least of your worries when it comes to companies checking you out. In the whole industry, Google is one of the only few companies that i can think of the top of my head that i would trust with something like this. They have earned my trust and respect from all these years of awsome innovation and respect to users.

Give them geeks a break

damn now i want an account LOL

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Originally posted by LiL_Kandi_AngeL damn now i want an account LOL

Me FIRST!!!

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Originally posted by DigiNut Meh, you're entitled to your opinion of course, but obviously it's going to be company policy to SAY they won't use your personal data just like it was company policy for google to SAY that they never had any tracking cookies, and it was company policy to SAY after people proved the existence of those tracking cookies that they didn't contain any personal or uniquely identifiable information. I'll make a long story short - it's been said that the best kind of advertising is the kind that hits you without you even knowing it. Google has that down to a science, and a cursory look at the quality of their search results nowadays will give you some insight into their corporate whoring. Personally, I didn't bother acting on my invite. I much prefer my POP mail and forwarding addresses which my webspace/domain provider lets me access through the web anyway. Costing me $6 a year for the domain. I think I can handle it. But hey, if you like spyware-sponsored web mail than by all means, make it your primary. I know I won't be sending any mail to a gmail address - it's one thing having it scanned for spam or virii, but quite another having it scanned for personal profiling.

Ok i am at a friends house, this is cereal3825 speaking,

Anyways, i goto school for Computer Networking, and i know how e-mail works to a tee! If you think Privacy is in every ISP mind, yer mistaken! Dude no MATTER WHAT you do, yer e-mail will travel threw out minimum 2 server, that somebody (multiple admins) has access to, so you wanna talk about privacy, dude, as said before encrypt if you want. But alot of admins will read yer e-mail for fun if they like, nothing is private anymore, not even your phone conversations (i got friends that work for ISP's and for Phone companies). So believe what you want, i aint bashing yea, but i mean, gmail is as good as anything else, and the shit that scan's quickly for advertisements is incoming e-mail, when u click on it, that is a quick "Server Side Include" script. Anyways, off to drink.


Steve (cereal3825)
(using friends TA account)

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Originally posted by Durafei Apparently both guys still drive old used cars, and live in a cheap 1 bdrm apt.(unconfirmed, but rumoured)

Rumoured. Sergey is a playboy. Trust me on this...

Edit: Not that there is anything wrong with that. I'm working on being a playboy too..

i have read
http://news.com.com/Hotmail+giving+...ml?tag=nefd.top that hotmail and other major email providers such as yahoo and lycos are blocking google gmail invites so if you want to get invited by someone
DONT HAVE THE INVITE SENT TO A HOTMAIL ACCOUNT AS IT WILL BE A WASTE
which reminds me i need to set up an account with rogers email so that hopefully one of my friendly (network) neighbourhood tranceaddicts with a gmail invite might invite me to get an address! PLEASE! (right now i solely use my hotmail account and im sick of it!)

ok.. i might have to jump on the bandwagon too -- just to see what the hype is about.

I'm content with hotmail as well.. and I have two work email addys to (go to the same account.. but it's all unlimited anyway) so I don't really see the point in having a gmail account..

but I'll help 'beta' it

Ilya, just tell me, when the hell will I have an email ortemy at google dot com ????? ; ))))

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Originally posted by abort416 i have read http://news.com.com/Hotmail+giving+...ml?tag=nefd.top that hotmail and other major email providers such as yahoo and lycos are blocking google gmail invites so if you want to get invited by someone DONT HAVE THE INVITE SENT TO A HOTMAIL ACCOUNT AS IT WILL BE A WASTE which reminds me i need to set up an account with rogers email so that hopefully one of my friendly (network) neighbourhood tranceaddicts with a gmail invite might invite me to get an address! PLEASE! (right now i solely use my hotmail account and im sick of it!)

i got one through hotmail, no probs.

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess i got one through hotmail, no probs.

Me too.

Haha, i scored "[email protected]" yesterday
If anyone needs an invite i just got a fresh account, so i should have some (i need to check it out first). Anyhow first "x" to PM me can have my invites (x= # of invites i have)

-+Aron

well then i guess i stand corrected! send all the gmail invites ya want to hotmail addys i guess
pmed you AwakenedAddict hope i was quick enough!

To Steve and Iliya:

I assure you that after having worked in the IT business for five years that I know exactly how SMTP works.

SMTP servers route millions of messages every second of the day, half of them spam. Sure, an administrator could pick out a random message and read it, but who would want to? ISPs with thousands of users aren't like school networks where only a handful of messages pass through. And even if they did pick out random messages to read, the chance of one of them being mine is pretty low.

Okay, so technically if an administrator knew who I was and wanted to scan my *incoming* e-mail. He could set up a bot on the server to scan every single mail going through the SMTP for my address. Getting a little far-fetched here, but maybe it's possible. What then is he going to do with it, other than read the pathetic details of my insignificant life? Sign me up for spam? Write threatening letters to me?

Gmail, on the other hand, is set up expressly to enable scanning your e-mail for profiling purposes. Both your outgoing and incoming e-mail are linked and scanned by google's all-purpose bot that's already had years of experience in the profiling and marketing department. We're not talking about a lone admin having some fun reading private e-mail, we're talking about an entire distributed artificial intelligence network dedicated solely to the task of reading your private e-mail. There's a slight difference here.

What, did you think Google just felt like offering a ton of free high-quality e-mail? They have to make money off of this somehow, and believe me, they'll be making a ton. Google doesn't play games here.

As for that article on google-watch-watch, it was mainly an ad-hominem attack on the person who did google-watch. While nothing I've posted in this thread actually comes from or was inspired by google-watch, I still have to wonder exactly how that diatribe disproves anything on GW. I'm going to go with the "it doesn't" answer.

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Gmail, on the other hand, is set up expressly to enable scanning your e-mail for profiling purposes.

Please support this statement with a proof, specifically "profiling purposes".

i got an invite from someone recently..not sure if hes a TA....anyways...spent a whole weekend or more trying ot think of what prefix to get...dinally i just stuck to...well u guessed it...elkaydee

just got gmail a few weeks ago... very nice

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Originally posted by DigiNut To Steve and Iliya: I assure you that after having worked in the IT business for five years that I know exactly how SMTP works. SMTP servers route millions of messages every second of the day, half of them spam. Sure, an administrator could pick out a random message and read it, but who would want to? ISPs with thousands of users aren't like school networks where only a handful of messages pass through. And even if they did pick out random messages to read, the chance of one of them being mine is pretty low. Okay, so technically if an administrator knew who I was and wanted to scan my *incoming* e-mail. He could set up a bot on the server to scan every single mail going through the SMTP for my address. Getting a little far-fetched here, but maybe it's possible. What then is he going to do with it, other than read the pathetic details of my insignificant life? Sign me up for spam? Write threatening letters to me? Gmail, on the other hand, is set up expressly to enable scanning your e-mail for profiling purposes. Both your outgoing and incoming e-mail are linked and scanned by google's all-purpose bot that's already had years of experience in the profiling and marketing department. We're not talking about a lone admin having some fun reading private e-mail, we're talking about an entire distributed artificial intelligence network dedicated solely to the task of reading your private e-mail. There's a slight difference here. What, did you think Google just felt like offering a ton of free high-quality e-mail? They have to make money off of this somehow, and believe me, they'll be making a ton. Google doesn't play games here. As for that article on google-watch-watch, it was mainly an ad-hominem attack on the person who did google-watch. While nothing I've posted in this thread actually comes from or was inspired by google-watch, I still have to wonder exactly how that diatribe disproves anything on GW. I'm going to go with the "it doesn't" answer.

its people like you that I am affraid from...

�When you have the power to get information, it is very hard to impose any arbitrary barriers for their acquisitions. (�) Can we refuse ourselves to read them?� -Zbigniew Brzezinski

well if any of you run out of gmail invite people you can fire me an invite! pilot_graeme_brown(at)hotmail.com

please please please?!

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Originally posted by Durafei you must encrypt all your messages.

Get a BlackBerry

www.blackberry.com

Ok well I don't know if anyone posted this yet but I didn't see...here is what I found in the Gmail info and FAQs...

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2. How much does Gmail cost? Gmail is a free service and includes 1,000 megabytes of storage with each account. However, Gmail is still in preview mode as we test it to work out the kinks. So for now, it's not generally available. 3. How do I sign up? When can I get a Gmail account? We're currently only offering Gmail as part of a preview release and limited test. We don't have details on when Gmail will be made more widely available, as that depends in part on the results of the test. If you're interested in receiving updates on Gmail, submit your email address using the form at the bottom of this page.

can anyone send me a invite please, i promoise not to spam ya

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