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It Needs to Be Phyzzzyyycal!
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| Originally posted by paranoik0 yeah i see what you mean, MP3s will never be there imo, but some other new digital format could do it |
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Why? What is the difference between mixing digital tracks stored on CDs or mixing digital tracks stored on a memory module or hard drive.
Its not the physical media where the music is stored that matters. The DJ's job is to use the tracks they are mixing to create a mood during their set. All the same skills would be required no matter what media the music files were on. You just would not have to be changing out CDs all the time.
The CD is a dying format. It can only hold around 800MB of data. That is shite capacity today and it will be nothing in 5 years. Its 1980s technology and is not sufficient in todays world of using broadband internet to download music. Why carry around 200 CDs when you can have 200CDs worth of music on 1 flash memory chip?
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| [i][b]"We have to keep it Physical". May not make sense...but my thoughts. |
Opinion!
Yes Xanax, True.
But as I said in my previous post. "It may not make sense...as in your case...but they are MY thoughts".Not everything everyone thinks makes sense...hence Chaos! I cant and I wont argue. Coz what you say does make sense. So viewing it from a more practical perspective your opinion makes more sense. But my sense of opinion may not make as much sense to a sensible person like yourself.
Yes, I could imagine dj's playng music from a flash drive someday, but i dont think a really good compression will do it. Even now with large hdds, compressing to mp3 is pointless due to its shit quality. I personally compress my music to a lossless format.
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| Originally posted by afastest Yes, I could imagine dj's playng music from a flash drive someday, but i dont think a really good compression will do it. Even now with large hdds, compressing to mp3 is pointless due to its shit quality. I personally compress my music to a lossless format. |
Hmm.. If you like an artist, you'll buy their CD in America. There aren't any CD singles. Basically CDs are the only basic format in the US.
As I've said.. I think Europe has a much larger vinyl base because of electronica genres.
I was wondering myself where I could get these new trance releases on CD single.. but there isn't. So, I'm going out and buying those vinyls. I love how cool they are.. the big picture on the front and the smell.
If that's the only way to get those beautiful trance releases, then I will buy em on vinyl. Downloading can just suck it.
Hhmm...
I really dont mind if the SL 1200's become the SL DZ-1200's...we hafta move on. I also dont mind if the CDJ 1000's become HDJ 1000's (Built in 350 freakin' GB HDD) maybe supports Mp3's,Wav's and what not....as long as the way we control it remain like a TT. Like the CDJ's the S5000's the SLDZ's....I would not adapt to a Laptop, PC or MAC or any software. The "feel" has got to be there.
As far as bad quality of sound in MP3 goes...yes..its not as high as a Vinyl or CD...but compress at 256kbps and you cant tell no matter how awesome the sound system.
Also I see the "DJ" go beyond the 2 TT and 2 CD setup....maybe 5 years down the lane...he will have to be more creative.
Welcome guys...the evolution of the "DJ" is about to begin!
Me out.
OOpps...
The sentence up there was a bit twisted....this is what I meant.
I really dont mind if the SL 1200's become the SL DZ-1200's...we hafta move on. I also dont mind if the CDJ 1000's become HDJ 1000's (Built in 350 freakin' GB HDD) maybe supports Mp3's,Wav's and what not....as long as the way we control it remain like a TT as the CDJ's the S5000's the SLDZ's its good in my books.
But I would not adapt to a Laptop, PC or MAC or any software. The "feel" has got to be there.
cheers.
lots of interesting stuff being brought up...thanks for the good discussion 
i can completely see the argument in terms of the use of laptops etc becoming dominant. Cobalt or someone mentioned that older vinyl will not be re-released as cd's, but when you think of the mp3's out there...its very possible that anything ever released could be made available to everyone through downloading. i mean why not? its of practically no cost to the record companies and if an older track is dl'd even 10,000 times...they're gonna be making money on a tune that they otherwise wouldn't have.
Re: Re: Re: Re: is the rising popularity of cd's going to make our vinyl worth crap?
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| Originally posted by Rukahs no, thats not what i'm saying. i'm stating that what your original post said was probably an article in a news paper asking our parents what they are going to do now that CD's were going public (1983). |
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| Originally posted by Floorfiller so the vinyls are only really pressed for those of us that are buying them. so what about when cd releases become faster than vinyl releases...or mp3s for that matter? than those of us that are waiting for the vinyl are behind the music. of course i really want vinyl to stay in, but if people realize that to be the most update with whats new they have to have cd's and mp3s then the pressing of vinyl will most likely become less and less desirable. |
Are there brand new electronica releases readily on CD?
No.
Pure CD DJing = 
It sounds absurd really.. Where's the magic in mixing? Anyone can put together a compilation of mp3s and just sit back.
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| Originally posted by LiQuiD_FuSioN Are there brand new electronica releases readily on CD? No. |
AH!
yep, i doubt it will fully take over though.
There's no many releases on CD yet :-(
For DJ�ing purposes, simply put, vinyl will never die. There is just too big a fan base for it. There will always be a hard core contingent of electronica enthusiasts who will refuse to use anything else.
And, in any case, the �death of vinyl� will do nothing but push up the price of all our old classics on vinyl. Someone mentioned The Beatles earlier in the thread. 12 inches of Beatles releases are worth a fantastic amount despite them being release on CD. The same will happen with our tunes.
This entire �death of vinyl� blurb is just rubbish. Reform for reform�s sake is not progress. Sasha, PVD et all who have gone 100% digital can kiss my arse! 
mp3 won't replace shit when it comes to the DJ because they sound like shit.
but i agree with xanax in that media will be carried by smaller and smaller means.
with new Pioneer DVD-DJ you can fit 4.6GB (I think thats the DVD size) onto a DVD. that is alot of music.
or you could bring your laptop and plug that in and use ableton live or something. small hard drives can hold alot of information. im sure theres other formats out there that are lossless that will take up less memory for a song.
i also bet alot of online stores will start offering .wavs for download. with broadband now it takes just as long to download the .wav as it does on dialup to download the .mp3
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| Originally posted by montie mp3 won't replace shit when it comes to the DJ because they sound like shit. but i agree with xanax in that media will be carried by smaller and smaller means. with new Pioneer DVD-DJ you can fit 4.6GB (I think thats the DVD size) onto a DVD. that is alot of music. or you could bring your laptop and plug that in and use ableton live or something. small hard drives can hold alot of information. im sure theres other formats out there that are lossless that will take up less memory for a song. i also bet alot of online stores will start offering .wavs for download. with broadband now it takes just as long to download the .wav as it does on dialup to download the .mp3 |
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| Originally posted by Floorfiller lots of interesting stuff being brought up...thanks for the good discussion i can completely see the argument in terms of the use of laptops etc becoming dominant. Cobalt or someone mentioned that older vinyl will not be re-released as cd's, but when you think of the mp3's out there...its very possible that anything ever released could be made available to everyone through downloading. i mean why not? its of practically no cost to the record companies and if an older track is dl'd even 10,000 times...they're gonna be making money on a tune that they otherwise wouldn't have. |
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| Originally posted by LiQuiD_FuSioN Are there brand new electronica releases readily on CD? No. |
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........you can buy cd singles/maxis or download the digital stuff and burn them to a cd. cds are cheaper as well and aren't self delipidating like vinyl is. If you ever do become mobile, they are also lighter, easy to store and carry, plus you get all the extra features that a cddj carries (I.e. the pioneer and technics models) ........all the DJ's bring a cd wallet these days.... ben lost says he only uses cd nothing else. tiesto says in 5 years you wont see vinyl at all, just digital forms- cds, final scratch etc. imo, i'm ahead of the game now. take a look at our own front door step here, anjunadigital offering downloads that will never be availible on vinyl or in advance of the vinyl release! speaks for itself. ....it's (vinyl) just recorded/mastered on a higher frequency if im not mistaken. CD's CAN (but dont atm) hold much higher quality music than a vinyl can, CD audio quality is the standard. Maybe super audio cds may become popular one day. ...also look forward to DVD-AUDIO. ...look at the likes of anjunabeats, the G&D dub of No-one earth is in masssive demand and is now ONLY availible for digital download, no vinyls in the UK at least. smith and pledger - forever (mark norman and askpet mixes) only availible for DL, no vinyls ever. mike koglin & jono grant - circuits was availible for digital download before the vinyl release and now lots more exclusive mixes and unreleased works will be availible through this service. check audiojelly.com, they have exclusive tracks aswell- lustral everytime (riley & durrant 2004 mix) will only be availble on mp3, no vinyls again! |
and anyone who says WMA from anjuna is shit quality is talking crap. when a&B and smith and pledger have been Djing all this year they were testing out the WMA's in the clubs they played. no-ones ever mentioned the quality at all in the sets. also remember they're carefulyl encoding the tracks from the original mastered version from an non compressed state.
i would prefer .WAV's though, obviously!
I wouldn't say people who choose vinyl over CDs do so because of the sound quality. Any superior sonic signal coming from vinyl is kinda nulled by how easy they get affected by dust etc. I chose vinyl just because it's so much nicer to mix with; it's alot more 'hands on' than CDs and it feels like you have a much closer contact to the sound. I tried mixing on a CD deck once and didn't enjoy it at all.
I find the whole cd/digital situation quite depressing tbh.
The whole cd vs. vinyl argument is really old. I mean djs obviously want something to work with, because otherwise djs would just mix straight off of a laptop, if conveniance and space was such an issue.
If you ask me i think that the whole djing thing will die out in a while 
, but that doesnt mean EDM has to. I personally think that people will get tired of paying money to see a dj spin, and EDM will turn more and more to something similar to the style of live play that chicane does now. (im not really very sure about how chicane performs live, ive never seen them, but ive heard they are more involved eg: playing instruments...) You may now barrage me with a bunch of "Vinyl 4 eva n00b!!" replies. 
"Live PA", as you sagely refer to beats and beeps, is something to this day which is on the whole rare in electronic music because of its very nature. As it is crafted in a studio, often employing step-time programming as opposed to real-time performance, not a lot can usually be done unless an artist is creative enough to go beyond merely "recreating" tunes and to throw in lots of new surprises. Notice how more than a handful of the big electronic music producers are famed for live concerts (as in the non-DJ sense), such as Orbital (who are unfortunately retiring) and I don't know if Liam will be touring as Prodigy again, but he has quite a colorful history too.
Of course, accusations of "DAT miming" and "letting the arpeggiators fly while you tweak the cutoff and/or resonance knobs" come into play, but that's life. Furthermore, I find criticism of elements like electric guitars in EDM to be absurd. Of course, it's no big deal today, but it sure was in the earlier part of the last decade. All of these debates will look petty and shameful in hindsight, as the real creative forces prefer to walk instead of talk when it comes time for action. Music is a luxury, and it's dumb to get one's proverbial panties in a bunch over it when there is so much pain and suffering in the world as it stands.
My own belief is that it's stupid to limit one's self. If you want CDs, use them. If you want vinyl, use them TOO 
If you want to use 3 decks instead of 2, pull a Carl Cox or a Jeff Mills... if you want to use 3 Technics turntables and 2 CDJs and a laptop and a heap of assorted animal crackers, do that too. Whatever you choose to do, just do what you do and express yourself freely -- and hopefully, positively -- without dumping on other peoples' artistic vision because diversity is fundamental.
Bud.....
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| Originally posted by montie mp3 won't replace shit when it comes to the DJ because they sound like shit. but i agree with xanax in that media will be carried by smaller and smaller means. with new Pioneer DVD-DJ you can fit 4.6GB (I think thats the DVD size) onto a DVD. that is alot of music. or you could bring your laptop and plug that in and use ableton live or something. small hard drives can hold alot of information. im sure theres other formats out there that are lossless that will take up less memory for a song. i also bet alot of online stores will start offering .wavs for download. with broadband now it takes just as long to download the .wav as it does on dialup to download the .mp3 |
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