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Originally posted by NinetyNinety Hahaha, true. Anyway, for all you atheists and agnostics, I really recommend you read this book: Patrick Glynn - GOD: THE EVIDENCE It's not the book you think it is, it only gives you a bigger perspective on things, and everything is based on true facts, unlike the "big bang theory" and so on. To tell you a little bit of what it talks about : Cientists have proved all around the world that there are specific measures and constants (gravity, electromagnetism, general physics, etc.) which only end is to make life on earth possible. But what is this all for? or better yet, who made this possible?

i dont believe in god, i don't believe in reading books titled "the evidence", but i do believe in holes and i believe I'll kick your ass if you presist in peddling that rubbish.

Once Marlon Brando was in court and refused to swear on the Bible.

RIP Marlon Brando

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Originally posted by igottaknow i dont believe in god, i don't believe in reading books titled "the evidence", but i do believe in holes and i believe I'll kick your ass if you presist in peddling that rubbish.

Don't you all love posts like these? With all the anger? All the passion? All the fury?


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Originally posted by NinetyNinety Hahaha, true. Anyway, for all you atheists and agnostics, I really recommend you read this book: Patrick Glynn - GOD: THE EVIDENCE It's not the book you think it is, it only gives you a bigger perspective on things, and everything is based on true facts, unlike the "big bang theory" and so on. To tell you a little bit of what it talks about : Cientists have proved all around the world that there are specific measures and constants (gravity, electromagnetism, general physics, etc.) which only end is to make life on earth possible. But what is this all for? or better yet, who made this possible?

If things such as gravity and electromagnetism have been proven, how can you not put any creditablity to the big bang theory? Or do you not know what the theory is actually about and what science supports it's evolution today?

Also, proven science does not exist simply to make life on earth possible. That's a myth propogated by the religious to 1. dispell the authenticity of scientology and 2. promote their egocentrism in the human race. To think that one individual being made up all of existance is ridiculous in my view.

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..or better yet, who made this possible?

is in it's simplest form, arrogant and preposterous.

Anyway....I didn't start this thread to get into personal views. I started it to talk about what's forced on us whether we like it or not. Me personally, I've gotten used to it but I was just curious as to what would happen if Atheists fought uphold the Constitution to the letter and forced a ban on such things as I originally pointed out. I know, it's ridiculous too...changing all our currency and what not but it's a fun topic.

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Originally posted by NinetyNinety Don't you all love posts like these? With all the anger? All the passion? All the fury?

"Glynn tries to use several lines of arguments for "proving" the existence of God; one of them being the anthropic principle. Though I agree that the universe and all the constraints to make us possible are most amazing, never-the-less, I don't find it a convincing evidence for God.

Glynn says the value of church attendance is proven by decreased suicide rates, drug use, etc. Actually, I'm sure that is true. For example, I used to attend a church singles group, not because I was a "believer" but simply to meet people. And I did develop good friends there. So what I'm saying is that I recognize that churches can have value, but it may not necessarily be directly due to God's hand, but rather due to the hands of those that make up the church.

Glynn's discussion of the moral basis of the Church, well, I've got a few things to say. He does make a reference to the Crusades and expectedly condemns them. And I don't want the following to sound like I'm bashing Christians; I know that by and large they are good people. And I accept that people like those that partook in the Crusades were not acting in accordance with Christianity. But my problem with Glynn (and other apologists) is that they want to give Christianity no blame for the bad things done by Christians, but want to give full blame to atheism for bad things done by atheists.

In fact, after having made his token condemnation of the crusades, he then pompously claims how throughout history, "good" and "bad" has "tracked closely" with atheism. I'd like to see his chart. Does his chart include not only the Crusades, but also the many Protestant/Catholic wars? Witch hunts? Let's see this chart!

And I've got another problem with The Church being the moral foundation. Assuming that Jesus was the Messiah and he came to Earth 2000 years ago for the purpose of giving the straight scoop on good and bad behavior, well, that doesn't seem to me to have been the most effective method. Would anybody consider it a good way for a father to teach his child morals to write down some parables (whose meaning is not always clear) before the child is born and leave town? If those that do evil in God's name are perverting His teachings, where is God to say, "hey, folks, this isn't right!" Is it reasonable for Him to say, "hey, I told you once 2000 years ago the whole deal and if you can't figure it out, that's your problem"?

Here are perhaps some more modern examples. Most Christian churches discourage divorce. Okay. Some are very strict, only allowable in case of adultery. Some are more lenient. Some insist on no alcohol consumption at all, some allow some alcohol. I can think of some others, but this is sufficient. The point is, not even His own followers can seem to agree exactly on the morals that God supposedly teaches. Christians may say that without God, then morals are based on nothing but what man may (or may not) find convenient. Maybe, but if God has defined an ultimate standard of morals, He hasn't done a good job of communicating it to even His own followers. It seems that man has to make up our own morals by this reason alone.

Finally, even if you insist that Christ's teachings are in fact a good guideline for morals, okay, I won't argue further. But the teachings are what they are, regardless of whether Jesus was God, just a man, or a mythic figure. The teachings are still the same. So Jesus' morals, regardless of how good they are, really don't prove that God had any hand in them."

Hey....to Atheists, it doesn't matter if you tell them they're going to go to hell either.

remember, we don't believe in god and therefore satan is a myth too.....ya folla?

Best arguement I heard from a christian about proof that God exists went something like this.

"I don't believe in God."

"What!? You're going to go to hell just for saying that!"

"Okay....if I don't believe in God, how am I going to go to hell."

"Well why don't you believe in God?"

"No solid scientific proof. For all I know, the bible's just a bunch of fairytales found at different times and pieced together." (that was me be rather sarcastice to get a rise out of her)

"Well....have you ever been to China?"

"No." I replied.

"Then how do you know it even exists?"

I continued to tell her how that was the most ridiculous shit I've ever heard in my life and then wondered...."Do they teach you that shit in church?"

hahahaha my friend had a situation similair to that

It went like this:

My friend: There is not necessarilly any proof that god exists.

Girl: Yeah, well I've never seen St. Louis but I know it's there.

my religious "friend" tells me in response to my atheism to "use your imagination"...

USE YOUR IMAGINATION?! IS THAT THE BEST BELIEVERS CAN DO TO PERSUADE NON BELIEVERS?

what a joke

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