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| Originally posted by DJ Rat 187 A lot of the good Psychedelic Trance and GOA is way too complicated to hit the main stream but that's the way I like it, things become corrupt, over-run with controversy and cheese etc. look what happened to trance  |
I love psy trance. it goes with whatever mood Im in, be in happy, sad, trippy etc. In jakarta where I live, they do play psy at various clubs and at any given time, 90% of the crowd tend to be rolling on E. nevertheless it is a style with quite a niche market I would say. For the average joe, it is not something they often find appealing at first account, but is something you need to have listened or experienced for a while before you really appreciate psy at its best.
I may be reading way too far into this, but i think people are unwilling to listen to it because it is generally concieved to be "hippy music" or "weird people" listen to it. If they dont listen to it, then they sure as hell arent going to go to a psy party.
Another thing to note, they guys dont do world tours and get out there and spam themselves, i know australia has a very healthy psy scene, every psyman and his dog comes out to play at least once a year. What im trying to get at is that you would only get one chance to catch talamasca or dark nebula once a year as opposed to tiesto or armin whose here twice or maybe 3 times a year.
I still think its fairly underground meaning the yanks haven't got their hands on it yet 
psy is huge in portugal, and "normal trance" unexistent
to be fair the kind of psy john 00 fleming plays, and people around this website usually like (astral projection, yahel, etc), sounds mega fake and even cheesy for my ears. i'm curious to know what the real underground stuff sounds like, if there's a big difference. but i doubt that i'd like it
for all your psytrance vinyl needs, check out:
www.psyshop.com
&
www.saikosounds.com
allthough i dont have experience with buying from them.
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| Originally posted by biznology psy is something i dont care much about. it is what it is...yet if i need to get freaked out there are other avenues. crappy repeating sounds do not do that for me. and i dont think that shpongle is psy, more like decent EDM jam band music that has been incorporated| |
Whew, what a can of worms 
On the vinyl issue... for all intents and purposes, if you want to spin psytrance, you're going to be doing it on CD. Very little vinyl comes out these days, though there is enough to augment your trance or progressive sets with some very appropriate material. Why did this happen? It is a matter of market conditions stemming from many factors, mostly economical by now.
Point 2: Yahel is not psy 
As for where you might find some records to purchase, I highly recommend the aforementioned www.saikosounds.com ...better yet they have very extensive realaudio samples usually running about 4 mins per song, and these can give you quite a good idea of the sound. I'll mention some names to check out for trance/prog fans, and if you don't get on the p2p networks I highly recommend you hit up saiko for some samples.
If you have a bad opinion of psytrance as stupid weird-sounding music for hippie freaks, dispose of that now. There is still plenty of that but even I don't really like it much. What has grown in the past few years is quality music that has plenty of appeal for prog/trance fans and that's just what I'm asking about. Here are some recent releases you should check out:
Human Blue - Electrolux (if the lush breakdown on Rollercoaster doesn't get you, what will? J00F commands you!)
FREq - Strange Attractors (kiwi prog of the highest quality, plenty of melody)
Son Kite - Colours (pretty much the monument of the year, BE SURE to hear "On Air" and give it a chance, this tune is massive)
Atmos - 2nd Brigade (trance and prog fans alike take note!)
Phony Orphants - Symphony (another album for the prog fans, a little dark)
Etnoscope - Drums from the Dawn of Time (tribal proggy psychedelic all-over-the-place)
Tegma - Encoded/Decoded (unique trancey sound)
All but the HB came out on 2LP as well!!
Try out some of those albums and see if your opinion of the psytrance genre changes at all.
it's because of the damn kick that's in 90% of the tunes
i like a bunch of psy, but i hate those "gonk gonk gonk" kicks
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| Originally posted by davinox bhahahahahahahahahhaa ridiculously stupid post of the day award |
, true
gotta love psy..its just because psy is weirder. people mabye dont understand it ?
liking psy is like befriending the weird dirty kid with the glasses & bowl cut sitting in the corner...where am i going with this..
* "lay off the crack leon, your embarassing your self.........shut up brain" *
I think the reason why many Trance fans don't listen to psy is simple lack of knowledge about it.
I live in an area where finding Trance / Prog / Breaks shows takes a significant drive, and if someone doesn't recommend an artist or song to me on these forums, then I'm not going to know about it. This factor is born out by the number of people who talk above about their countries having buregoning psy scenes, it's about information and access.
The other, smaller, but present factor is closed-mindedness. The same kind of people who denigrate rap fans for allowing Trance to be eclipsed are often the first to say that prog is crap, or that IDM is shite, or that any style which steps very far outside their tightly defined notion of 'good' music isn't worth listening to.
Fortunately, there are also a lot of very open minded TA's who are willing to give anything a go, but in any 'underground' scene there are people who are so into their own little niche that they feel a compulsive need to slag on everything else. Sad, but inevitable, and tolerable if one at least expects it, which I do at this point....
Because usually hardcore psy-trancers are like oil: they don't mix with anything else. They have 7 weeks long parties just playing psy-trance, and you hardly see (here) psy-trance being played in a place where other genres will be played as well. It's the strongest elitism I know of in electronic music. Even techno heads like house music every now and then, for example. That's true, at least, for Brazil.
Besides, once you get to know trancecore, you realise psy-trance often tries too hard to be something it's not.
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| Originally posted by CortexBomb I think the reason why many Trance fans don't listen to psy is simple lack of knowledge about it. I live in an area where finding Trance / Prog / Breaks shows takes a significant drive, and if someone doesn't recommend an artist or song to me on these forums, then I'm not going to know about it. This factor is born out by the number of people who talk above about their countries having buregoning psy scenes, it's about information and access. The other, smaller, but present factor is closed-mindedness. The same kind of people who denigrate rap fans for allowing Trance to be eclipsed are often the first to say that prog is crap, or that IDM is shite, or that any style which steps very far outside their tightly defined notion of 'good' music isn't worth listening to. Fortunately, there are also a lot of very open minded TA's who are willing to give anything a go, but in any 'underground' scene there are people who are so into their own little niche that they feel a compulsive need to slag on everything else. Sad, but inevitable, and tolerable if one at least expects it, which I do at this point.... |
i havent beed exposed properly to the goa scene, but alot of psy-trance has too much that video game noise/sounds.
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| Originally posted by dj tek i havent beed exposed properly to the goa scene, but alot of psy-trance has too much that video game noise/sounds. |
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| Originally posted by Dj Dissent ...with a comment like that you sure proved to us that you indeed have not been properly exposed to this scene. |
What CortexBomb said is right on.
I listen to a ton of psy as nothing else can touch it IMO. The thing is, every psy artist is so unique and the sound of one psy artist will vary tremendously compared to the next one. Because of this, I think there is a ton of shitty psy out there. Unfortunately, the average joe that doesn't know much about psy will come upon some of this shit and write psy off right then and there. In my experience, you need to dig to find the good shit. Just take a look at the volume of psy that comes out weekly by visiting psyshop.com or saikosounds.com. It is quite astounding.
Here are some recommendations which I think are worthy of a listen IMO:
Anything by Astrix or Bamboo Forrest. My favorite tracks at the moment by these 2 are:
Astrix - Junosis
Bamboo Forrest - Osiris
Also check out Astrix's album Eye to Eye from 2002. Its my alltime favorite and I've converted so many friends into the psy camp with this very album.
Some other albumbs that are kicking my ass lately:
Suria - Logical Evolution
Space Monkey - Psychotic Episode
I spin out frequently and I mainly spin trance but I do own quite a bit of psy on vinyl, mostly off the TipWorld label that I make a point of throwing into my set.
And finally, my favorite psy track of alltime and one that I ALWAYS spin out towards the end of my set:
Astrix & Delirious - Day Dream
The breakdown at the end of this track blows my mind. The reaction I see from people in the crowd who are virgins to psy when I play this track is amazing.
In closing for those who don't know where to even begin with finding any of these tracks or artists, get on Soulseek and join the Psytrance channel. You will be able to find any of the above mentioned tracks and tons of other good psy quickly and easily. Give psy another chance!
psy trance is incredible.
simon posford is the master of it.
All of a sudden, two ideas clashed in my head... I wonder if there are psy remixes of the Gradius music?
Oldschool goa-trance is really good. But I dont like most of the stuff coming out nowadays, partly because of the annoying basslines.
1200 mics is pretty nice though, I really like their latest album.
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| Originally posted by davinox Yahel is mediocrity at its finest. It's not trippy; if i took it on 4 drops of acid i'd probably still yawn. hehehe |
Neuromotor
Oh yeah, and I'm gonna check out Neuromotor next weekend. Man, that li'l French midget knows how to put on a show! 
just saw john oo flemming and astral, not really impressed with psy. not very danceable
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| Originally posted by Clyde77 just saw john oo flemming and astral, not really impressed with psy. not very danceable |
Just got home from a full on Psy-Trance event.. with headliner Astral Projection...
Its defineately a style of music that needs to be understood, and appreciated at what the artist/DJ is trying to do in the track.. The people are defineately outside my normal clich.. Alot of LSD-freaks 
(no, not me), and I would guess ALMOST 90% of the people were rolling on X..
I defineately enjoyed myself tho.. Blitzed outta my mind for most of the weekend, and basically taking on a journey with the music and environment...
As for the comment about not being able to dance to it.. I dunno how you can say that.. Its trance, in a sense, so I don't see how dancing is any different (majorly), Cuz everyone I saw was dancing... ALOT and HARD!!!
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