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Originally posted by Sand Leaper And I'm getting sick of vinyl nostalgics whining about every single progression made in digital technology that makes djing more practical. Oh let's see. CDs are far easier to carry around (even before CDs were around psy trance DJs preferred to play DATs, since vinyl would melt and was too much of hassle to carry around where they played), a lot easier to replicate for added exposure of unreleased material and also does not deteriorate as fast as vinyl the more rotation it gets. I guess CDs are more fragile than vinyl, but that's pretty much a useless argument since vinyl is easily scratched also. With today's technology you can easily get the same overview and manipulation abilities as you have with vinyl, so what's the big deal? The fact that all the vinyl nostalgics think that we should stick with an aged medium and thus stagnate technologically is really quite laughable. Sorry, but this is vinyl nostalgia whining yet again. The whole "if you can't mix with vinyl you can't mix at all"-argument is the biggest load of crap I've heard for ages. Look at James Zabiela and tell me he can't mix or do tricks on his cd decks, all the top professional DJs who use CD more and more in their sets nowadays, or the labels/shops who offer digital downloads of their tunes for use in sets. Face it, the advances in technology are having a major impact on djing as we know it, just like it has on everything else in the world. Also, why should I spend my hard earned cash on buying vinyl copies of every single record I already have on CD, when there are plenty of tools with just as many sound manipulation abilities available for me to use the CDs I already have for mixing? I mean what a waste! Takes the fun out of mixing? Firstly, Wtf would anyone use CD decks for if it "took the fun" out of it? And secondly, do you not realize what sort of control you have over your medium with cd decks? Why the hell would this make it less fun to mix? The advances in digital technology do not only give more people the opportunity to play the music they love to other people, but they also provide the scene with healthy competition to do something extra in order to make your DJ sets stand out, which can only be a good thing. Of course there is the risk of people playing records they don't really own, but I still think it's worth it. Seriously, all you vinyl purists should stop burying your heads in the sand and see what is actually happening to DJing nowadays.

Bravo! BTW, where _do_ those Psy./Goa DJs get their DATs from? I'd sure like to know. Do they sell special DJ DAT machines to mix DATs?

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper And I'm getting sick of vinyl nostalgics whining about every single progression made in digital technology that makes djing more practical. Oh let's see. CDs are far easier to carry around (even before CDs were around psy trance DJs preferred to play DATs, since vinyl would melt and was too much of hassle to carry around where they played), a lot easier to replicate for added exposure of unreleased material and also does not deteriorate as fast as vinyl the more rotation it gets. I guess CDs are more fragile than vinyl, but that's pretty much a useless argument since vinyl is easily scratched also. With today's technology you can easily get the same overview and manipulation abilities as you have with vinyl, so what's the big deal? The fact that all the vinyl nostalgics think that we should stick with an aged medium and thus stagnate technologically is really quite laughable. Sorry, but this is vinyl nostalgia whining yet again. The whole "if you can't mix with vinyl you can't mix at all"-argument is the biggest load of crap I've heard for ages. Look at James Zabiela and tell me he can't mix or do tricks on his cd decks, all the top professional DJs who use CD more and more in their sets nowadays, or the labels/shops who offer digital downloads of their tunes for use in sets. Face it, the advances in technology are having a major impact on djing as we know it, just like it has on everything else in the world. Also, why should I spend my hard earned cash on buying vinyl copies of every single record I already have on CD, when there are plenty of tools with just as many sound manipulation abilities available for me to use the CDs I already have for mixing? I mean what a waste! Takes the fun out of mixing? Firstly, Wtf would anyone use CD decks for if it "took the fun" out of it? And secondly, do you not realize what sort of control you have over your medium with cd decks? Why the hell would this make it less fun to mix? The advances in digital technology do not only give more people the opportunity to play the music they love to other people, but they also provide the scene with healthy competition to do something extra in order to make your DJ sets stand out, which can only be a good thing. Of course there is the risk of people playing records they don't really own, but I still think it's worth it. Seriously, all you vinyl purists should stop burying your heads in the sand and see what is actually happening to DJing nowadays.

sorry, forgive me for not liking the way the scene is evolving, a scene where the DJ with the most technologically advanced pieve of equipment gets paid the biggest wedge. but i guess using CDJ's along with turntables is far more skillful than using 3 - 4 decks

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Originally posted by ali92 Bravo! BTW, where _do_ those Psy./Goa DJs get their DATs from? I'd sure like to know. Do they sell special DJ DAT machines to mix DATs?

I have a picture of a typical psy trance dj mixing desk with two DAT players hooked up to a mixer in a mag of mine, but I have no scanner. Try googling it

edit: I found some info regarding DATs and psy trance here: http://www.boomrecords.com/DAT.html

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Originally posted by [N]�k|��[Z] sorry, forgive me for not liking the way the scene is evolving, a scene where the DJ with the most technologically advanced pieve of equipment gets paid the biggest wedge.

Pardon? I can assure you the DJ who gets paid the biggest wage is the DJ who brings in the largest crowd. It's the name you make for yourself that decides this. Your equipment can help you on your way, but it's far from the decisive factor.

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but i guess using CDJ's along with turntables is far more skillful than using 3 - 4 decks

Not once did I say that it was "more skillful" with CDJs than turntables. What I did say is that vinyl purists should stop being such whining arses and realize how technology is affecting DJing as we know it and how it is far from being a bad thing.

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Originally posted by 3xx3r7 My personal opinion is that mixing on CD-R's is cheesy, since you can easily download a song from internet and throw it in your gigs, and I prefer vynil by far.

cheesy?
u gotta be kidding....dont start!

You guys/gals do realize that they make new and more compact technologies to make our lives easier right?

Somewhere on the first page someone mentioned copying vinyls to CDs to preserve the music for future generations. The thing is CDs wear out to, perhaps even quicker than vinyl. Check out this article from RS:

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/st...has-player=true

There is still a great debate over how long CDs last. In terms of CDs you buy from a store (as in albums from a record store, not CD-Rs) some say they could last a person's lifetime while some say maybe 20-25 years. It's hard to say whether you will be able to preserve music on CDs for multiple generations after you. While we can't really say much for CDs yet, I can say that my parents' vinyls that are 30-35 years old still sound good and are in good condition despite their age. A lot depends on the care you give towards your chosen medium.

I DJ with vinyl and I have no problems with CDs. I might buy some CD-Js if I get the money, but I won't totally abandon the vinyl. Each has their pro's and con's and I think the best solution is to use a combination of both if you can.

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Originally posted by deejayle cheesy? u gotta be kidding....dont start!

Always was and always will be. Vynil is where it was intended. And no, I am not kidding. Do you see me laugh?

Also, you seem have missed "my personal opinion" part. I think it is cheesy.

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Originally posted by 3xx3r7 Always was and always will be. Vynil is where it was intended. And no, I am not kidding. Do you see me laugh? Also, you seem have missed "my personal opinion" part. I think it is cheesy.

That makes no sense...how it be cheesy?

Cheesy would be like...the text in your sig...

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Originally posted by Spad That makes no sense...how can an object be cheesy? Cheesy would be like...the text in your sig...

Going personal. Eh? How old are ya?

In my opinion, mixing on CD-R's is cheesy. I stated the reason above. I can download an mp3 from internet, burn it on CD-R and play it in my gigs.

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Originally posted by 3xx3r7 Going personal. Eh? How old are ya? In my opinion, mixing on CD-R's is cheesy. I stated the reason above. I can download an mp3 from internet, burn it on CD-R and play it in my gigs.

What was personal about that?

And I can't see how the word cheesy can be used in this context.....

...it would suggest that using CD-R's is stupid, or of low quality, sentimental, maudlin, melodramatic, corny...I could go on with the definitions of the word cheesy, but none of them fit this context.

In summery: I don't think you know what cheesy means.

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Originally posted by Spad What was personal about that?

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Originally posted by Spad Cheesy would be like...the text in your sig...

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And I can't see how the word cheesy can be used in this context.....

Cheesy can also be defined as cheap.

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...it would suggest that using CD-R's is stupid, or of low quality, sentimental, maudlin, melodramatic, corny...I could go on with the definitions of the word cheesy, but none of them fit this context.

Those definitions will work too. Now you get the flow.

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In summery: I don't think you know what cheesy means.

See above.

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Originally posted by 3xx3r7 Cheesy can also be defined as cheap.

So they're cheap because you can copy mp3's onto them? What if vinyl cutters were affordable? Would spinning with vinyl then be "cheesy"?

truthfully this just doesnt seem that convienient..to me its kinda like running a race on steroids...leave djing how it is

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Originally posted by Spad So they're cheap because you can copy mp3's onto them? What if vinyl cutters were affordable? Would spinning with vinyl then be "cheesy"?

Good thing that vynil production equipment is not affordable. You know that most of the time you get high quality vynil press from legitimate sources. I am not supporter of RIAA in any shape or form, but when it comes to playing at gigs, especially where you get paid, you better play legal stuff.

When I see someone mixing CD's I am not sure whether he leeched that copy from Internet or not.

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Originally posted by Nou *Ahhh hem* I suggest you watch the Love Parade video from 2003, the man in your sig does not use vinyl once, he uses CDJ's through out, and also, he does not use actual records as much as he uses FinalScratch... sooo yea. Just thought I would point that out.

I know that. lol. Soooo...yea no need to point that out.

One of the things I do not like about PvD.

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Originally posted by Nou How does it detract from him being a good DJ though?

It does not, but I would prefer him spin the vynil, not FS vynil.

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Originally posted by 3xx3r7 Good thing that vynil production equipment is not affordable. You know that most of the time you get high quality vynil press from legitimate sources. I am not supporter of RIAA in any shape or form, but when it comes to playing at gigs, especially where you get paid, you better play legal stuff. When I see someone mixing CD's I am not sure whether he leeched that copy from Internet or not.

If you read what I've posted in this thread previously, I already said that I don't think CD's are a good replacment for vinyl, or a sensible means of backing up vinyl.

But there are more uses for CD's than just mixing tunes with them. Zabiela uses them for samples which he incorporates into his sets, and I dunno if you've seen him at work but if so I don't see how CD's can be a bad thing.

Add to that the fact that producers have the freedom to easily play with their own loops and tunes; Mauro Picotto regularly made tunes and loops and intro's for specific gigs at Gatecrasher, he even once stated that a huge portion of his 6 hour sets was completly unreleased material that he had produced especially for the night, and I believe he does the same for his Meganite events.

CD's are a good thing for the dancefloor. Just as mp3's have uses other than illegally copying software.

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Originally posted by Spad If you read what I've posted in this thread previously, I already said that I don't think CD's are a good replacment for vinyl, or a sensible means of backing up vinyl. But there are more uses for CD's than just mixing tunes with them. Zabiela uses them for samples which he incorporates into his sets, and I dunno if you've seen him at work but if so I don't see how CD's can be a bad thing. Add to that the fact that producers have the freedom to easily play with their own loops and tunes; Mauro Picotto regularly made tunes and loops and intro's for specific gigs at Gatecrasher, he even once stated that a huge portion of his 6 hour sets was completly unreleased material that he had produced especially for the night, and I believe he does the same for his Meganite events. CD's are a good thing for the dancefloor. Just as mp3's have uses other than illegally copying software.

Well, you're are right here. I was just stressing the whole legal vs. illegal issue @ gigs. CD's do have uses, as mp3's. CD's are good for those exclusive promos as well. Maybe, it is because I have seen way too many DJ's spin solely on CD's and not having a single vynil.

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Originally posted by Nou *Ahhh hem* I suggest you watch the Love Parade video from 2003, the man in your sig does not use vinyl once, he uses CDJ's through out, and also, he does not use actual records as much as he uses FinalScratch... sooo yea. Just thought I would point that out.

First off, Do you know where i can find that video?

Second, I'd just like to say that all of you people saying that people who start out with a pair of cdjs cant expect to make it to the top (nukeusz or however its spelled) Someone who uses cdjs is alot more likely to make it to the top than they would be if they had your narrowminded opinion. Not because of what medium they are using, but because it shows that they are willing to except change, and are able to live with change, not hold onto old ideas. Almost all successful dj's change how they spin, what the spin, where they spin, and who they spin for many times in thier carrer. I think a dj has to be very adept with change.

Do you happen to know where I can get some of this unreleased music in DAT format?

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper I have a picture of a typical psy trance dj mixing desk with two DAT players hooked up to a mixer in a mag of mine, but I have no scanner. Try googling it edit: I found some info regarding DATs and psy trance here: http://www.boomrecords.com/DAT.html Pardon? I can assure you the DJ who gets paid the biggest wage is the DJ who brings in the largest crowd. It's the name you make for yourself that decides this. Your equipment can help you on your way, but it's far from the decisive factor. Not once did I say that it was "more skillful" with CDJs than turntables. What I did say is that vinyl purists should stop being such whining arses and realize how technology is affecting DJing as we know it and how it is far from being a bad thing.

For fucks sake, it's spelled vinyl.

I thought this thread was about lazer turntable?

I think dj's should be comfortable with all mediums.

But I also think, that it just generally feels better when you at an event and the people are spinning vinyl.
Guys behind pc's always look so bored, almost like it's a hassle for them to be there and bring the dancers entertainment.

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Originally posted by ali92 Do you happen to know where I can get some of this unreleased music in DAT format?

Go pester some DJs. They'll prolly just give you CDs now though, as that is their medium of choice nowadays (has all the advantages of DAT compared to vinyl + more)

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