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I like both

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Originally posted by Galapidate I like both

Exactly.

Why is this even an issue? Is someone going to start pointing at branches from a tree and say which one they like more?

I'm mostly into prog/progtrance and techno, but I also like breaks, chilled breaks... well, anything that is creative really.

techno is better.

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Originally posted by TheVrk i really like techno, and i love trance. ideally, a great trance set with tech mixed in at certain points to pick up the tempo is for me...

good call

I basically listen to every genre of electronic music that there is.. I don't care about genres as long as the track is good. That's all that matters..

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Originally posted by afastest techno is better.

Well thank you for your constructive addition to this discussion

Personally, I prefer techno as well, I've pretty much stopped listening to trance a few years ago, just because it became too formulaic to me. Techno (except for a few piss boring DJs such as Ben Sims) just offers more energy and variation to me, and I started noticing that trance tracks didn't 'touch' me as they used to do a few years ago. Therefore I have stopped listening to it, but each to his own of course. I still listen to other EDM types as well though, as long as there is a certain amount of quality and originality involved.

About the formulaic thing: I think one of the differences between trance and techno, DJ-wise, is the fact that trance tracks offer more variation in itself, leaving less work to the DJ to keep a set interesting (to the people appealed by that type of music, of course). With techno, a DJ has to do more (mixing more tracks, using three decks, golden shower the audience, or whatever) to keep a set interesting.. Does anyone have any opinions on that?

It's hard for me to cut any fine lines across such a broad swath of territory, so to speak. Your observation, basd, of minimal techyness is certainly true -- there are generally less variations in the source material, and therefore the DJ can add more to individually tailor and craft the mix, personalizing it for the audience. This is not to say there aren't things that can be done for a trance set, forever: a creative mind can add a deep flange here and there (as Sasha so daringly did during his "Voyager of [BT's] Ima" during ye olden days and more), or double up on the snare rolls to make them more intense using a sampler device of some sort, and perform other varieties of tricks.

Techno (again, YUGE generalization) will not have the kind of climactic buildups and breakdowns that trance does. Someone could conceivably -- and I'm sure this has been done before -- extend and prolong buildup sections by looping and crossfading them skillfully, or adding a new, similar kick drum to where it all breaks down to give a sparse, startling, but still danceable feel. Thus, while the ch00n diminishes in terms of richness of texture, the beat goes on and there is no cue for the clubbers to stop dancing... yet! If every track consist of a similar structural formula, of *course* variation adds spice to the set.

I can't make any decisions on such a broad area, like I said. But if given a handpicked selection of tracks, it'd be easier to evaluate so-and-so and go: "Okay, this is a trance track, very melodic, very anthemic, but it could use an added percussion line here... drop the bass out with the EQ, just kill it... and after 8 bars instead of the expected, delayed 16, DROP it all back in -- BOOM! Toss in some hi-hat loops at the end to add icing to the predictable, formulaic outro and we're set."

I like to call it:

TECHNO EYE FOR THE TRANCE GUY

In short, monotonous repetitivity can lend itself more to customization -- which is, of course, a double-edged sword of its own. Everything that is now formulaic was once fresh once upon a time, after all. But I'd like to believe old kittens can learn new tricks.


P.S. hold the thought on the "golden shower" suggestion.

techy trance
Sander van Doorn

i used to be of the opinion that trance was more stimulating to me. but unfortunatly, IMO trance has gone totally down the toilet in the last year or so. its all lacking bollocks if you ask me, trance used to have bollocks. there is the odd track here and there i enjoy, but nowehere near as much as i used to. it even fucks me off if i go to a night and there is more than 2 trance sets on in a row

which is why i am now a techno junkie and i fucking love the stuff, much more creative and refreshing to listen to.. and there are literally no boundaries so its never likely to get boring. its the most fun to play (it keeps me busy) plus i am safe in the knowledge that i have finally found a genre that will never be spoilt by mainstream popularity and all the junk that comes with that.

I've really gone off a lot of trance in the last few years. I just feel (as has been pointed out) it all follows the exact same pattern and that there isn't enough experimentation in it and well tbh, I find it very dull.

Don't get me wrong some trance tunes still get me excited, james holden, luke chable, the mfa, even paul van dyks tune that he brought out last year, i found pretty good.

But when it comes down to it, when I'm in a club i'd rather be dancing my ass off to some quality pounding techno, than standing with my hands in the air to a fairy trancey tune that sounded exactly like the on ethat was played 2 tunes before.

as I say this is just an opinion that I have.

That is all.

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Originally posted by tu_face i used to be of the opinion that trance was more stimulating to me. but unfortunatly, IMO trance has gone totally down the toilet in the last year or so. its all lacking bollocks if you ask me, trance used to have bollocks. there is the odd track here and there i enjoy, but nowehere near as much as i used to. it even fucks me off if i go to a night and there is more than 2 trance sets on in a row which is why i am now a techno junkie and i fucking love the stuff, much more creative and refreshing to listen to.. and there are literally no boundaries so its never likely to get boring. its the most fun to play (it keeps me busy) plus i am safe in the knowledge that i have finally found a genre that will never be spoilt by mainstream popularity and all the junk that comes with that.

How long can you listen to techno?
I can't handle more than two hours of Mauro Picotto and co, aren't they boring and repetitive after the first hour?
Special respect to DJs playing deep techno (ahh, Germany Germany...)

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Originally posted by chesco Don't get me wrong some trance tunes still get me excited, james holden, luke chable, the mfa,

Indeed, and a very different execution of progression. Trance may be the base of the pyramid but there's plenty of techy and fluffy goodness to go around for everyone. And in a few years time, we'll have a formulaic name slapped on it too, and by then I hope they will have continued to move on and explore the wild sonic west.

One big family with the standouts not consisting of generic clones, but unique personalities. Like breeds of cats:

http://www.travelswithtigger.com/fa...breed-desc.html

Cute but true, isn't it?

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Originally posted by aspergian * snap * TECHNO EYE FOR THE TRANCE GUY * snap *

I'm glad that there are still trance DJs trying to be innovative in this way. Unfortunately, this isn't happening all too much I think, a lot of trance DJs are merely overlaying the outro of track A over the intro of track B, and that's it. It tends to get boring to me pretty soon.

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Originally posted by CJ Slater How long can you listen to techno?

A lot longer than two hours I don't find it as repetitive as a lot of trance sets nowadays (going mix - buildup - breakdown - mix - buildup - breakdown - mix - buildup - breakdown.. and so on).. But again, that's personal preference.

I'm really bad when come to talk about music styles, most of the time I think I'm listening to i.e. techno, the guy who is mixing says it's house... So if I like a song I don�t mind if is trance, techno, house or wathever.

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Originally posted by basd I'm glad that there are still trance DJs trying to be innovative in this way. Unfortunately, this isn't happening all too much I think, a lot of trance DJs are merely overlaying the outro of track A over the intro of track B, and that's it. It tends to get boring to me pretty soon.

Yes, the proverbial diamonds.

Q: Why are they so precious?

A: Because they're rare.

There's only one Sasha, only one James Zabiela . . .

If they were Clonetroopers in Count Cliche's army, would they be special? HECK/HELL NO!!!

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Originally posted by chavs I'm really bad when come to talk about music styles, most of the time I think I'm listening to i.e. techno, the guy who is mixing says it's house... So if I like a song I don�t mind if is trance, techno, house or wathever.

Man do I like your attitude, that's easygoing enjoyment. Hahaha...

One man's techno is another woman's house.

Slap names like spaghetti up on the wall, see what sticks.

Absolut. (not the alcoholic beverage)

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Originally posted by aspergian Yes, the proverbial diamonds. Q: Why are they so precious? A: Because they're rare. There's only one Sasha, only one James Zabiela . . . If they were Clonetroopers in Count Cliche's army, would they be special? HECK/HELL NO!!!

Another good point.

And I hate putting names on it as well, when I'm in a record store and the guy behind the counter asks me for my preference, I usually don't really know how to express it (but I know what I am looking for).

Thanks... labels are a necessary evil for purposes of accessibility and convenience.

If the staff knows their stuff, they'll be more than happy to help you if you drop some names of artists or productions you already enjoy -- in some places, you can bring your 12"'s in and play them on the decks in the store and go from there. Personal recommendations like that are a real nice touch over hunting without hearing (but that's another topic for another day).

Cheers.

you name it, i listen to it

trance, techno, house, happy hardcore, progressive, breaks
rap, hip hop, r&b, dancehall, reggae
rock, punk, metal, alternative, emo, retro

I prefer to listen to trance but prefer to play techno or tech trance as the long breakdowns in trance really suck.

Tech trance really gets me going. When I went to see Marco V play here in Atlanta was one of the best vibes I've ever experienced at a party. If you don't think you like techno, go see Mauro Picotto and you will most likely become a convert. I saw him at Ultra '03 and I though I was going to cry it was so good.

To me it seems that the word "Techno" is more of a name for people who don't listen to or like this music. Sort of like when people call spinning wheels "Sprewells". He does not make them, nor did he invent the idea. He sells the wheels. Same thing as I said above. I really like calling it what it is, and that is Trance, House, Jungle, progressive, breaks, etc.

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Originally posted by CJ Slater How long can you listen to techno? I can't handle more than two hours of Mauro Picotto and co, aren't they boring and repetitive after the first hour? Special respect to DJs playing deep techno (ahh, Germany Germany...)

i can listen to techno all f00kin night

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Originally POsted by TechnoSpeed To me it seems that the word "Techno" is more of a name for people who don't listen to or like this music. Sort of like when people call spinning wheels "Sprewells". He does not make them, nor did he invent the idea. He sells the wheels. Same thing as I said above. I really like calling it what it is, and that is Trance, House, Jungle, progressive, breaks, etc.

so what do you call techno..? i am confused with your theory, as none of the techno in my record box is trance, house, jungle, prog, or breaks... its techno!

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