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Posted by midaV on Oct-13-2004 00:07:

Sounds good, PM me your AIM dark. Thanks!


Posted by Derivative on Oct-13-2004 19:20:

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As far as prices are concerned, a an acoustic or a classical guitar for $200 isn't gonna sound good. I think if you want a real good sounding guitar, you need to spend at least $1000


i dont know about this. there have been guitarists who have picked up my �150 guitar and made it sound better than i can. quite alot better. my sister's guitar teacher knocked out pantera's cemetry gates on my old �70 electric (absolute piece of crap i thought). complete with vibrato'ed pinched harmonics and it sounded fantastic. ive never been able to get them to ring out as cleanly as he got them but the point is i know its possible on a guitar i used to consider a piece of junk. ive played on better guitars since and i have found it easier to do things like tap or play pinched harmonics. on the really expensive ones you can tremolo the high e string with a wah and even just doing that sounds great. but most of the people i know who started out with godlike guitars never really had any desire or motivation to go beyond twatting the top e string really fast.

you can throw more money at a guitar but it wont make you a better guitarist. its sort of the same with production. loads of people go out and buy a virus thinking this is the machine thats gonna make my tunes 10 times better. its never quite that easy. and ive heard far too many people that make fruity 3osc sound good that makes me want to spend a little more time with the cheapo instruments to see if i can get as much out of them as others seem to be able to.


Posted by DarkFall01 on Oct-13-2004 20:08:

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Originally posted by Derivative
i dont know about this. there have been guitarists who have picked up my �150 guitar and made it sound better than i can. quite alot better. my sister's guitar teacher knocked out pantera's cemetry gates on my old �70 electric (absolute piece of crap i thought). complete with vibrato'ed pinched harmonics and it sounded fantastic. ive never been able to get them to ring out as cleanly as he got them but the point is i know its possible on a guitar i used to consider a piece of junk. ive played on better guitars since and i have found it easier to do things like tap or play pinched harmonics. on the really expensive ones you can tremolo the high e string with a wah and even just doing that sounds great. but most of the people i know who started out with godlike guitars never really had any desire or motivation to go beyond twatting the top e string really fast.

you can throw more money at a guitar but it wont make you a better guitarist. its sort of the same with production. loads of people go out and buy a virus thinking this is the machine thats gonna make my tunes 10 times better. its never quite that easy. and ive heard far too many people that make fruity 3osc sound good that makes me want to spend a little more time with the cheapo instruments to see if i can get as much out of them as others seem to be able to.



I didn't say it will make you a better guitarrist, I was saying that the sound is not great. Also, with electric guitars it's completely different, with all the effects, etc you can make a cheap guitar sound good. But an acoustic, since the sound will always remain clean, the more expensive models are the ones with the clearer and just better sound in general. From experience, cheap acoustics have a dull sound that I personally don't like
I've played cheap electrics that sound better than the more expensive models. Cheaper guitars also tend to not stay in tune as long or might just be out of tune as you play in the higher frets (doen't happen to all).
Also, I said that he should not get an expensive guitar at first. A $400-$500 guitar would be fine for him, then maybe upgrade with time.


Posted by Derivative on Oct-13-2004 20:15:

you are right. but i just see too many guitarists buy nice guitars then leave them to rot in the corner cuz their fingers hurt its demoralising. every guitarist has to struggle with a crap guitar! it builds resilience!

also, ive been playing for 8 years and im tackling leyenda on a steel string acoustic right about now. ive never owned a guitar that cost even as much as $500! i guess part of it must be due to cold, malicious envy O_______O


Posted by DarkFall01 on Oct-13-2004 20:22:

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Originally posted by Derivative
you are right. but i just see too many guitarists buy nice guitars then leave them to rot in the corner cuz their fingers hurt its demoralising. every guitarist has to struggle with a crap guitar! it builds resilience!

also, ive been playing for 8 years and im tackling leyenda on a steel string acoustic right about now. ive never owned a guitar that cost even as much as $500! i guess part of it must be due to cold, malicious envy O_______O



I've been playing for 6, what do u usually play? Albeniz - Asturias (Leyenda) is great, I can play half of it, never finished learning it
Other than that I play Dream Theater, Steve Vai, Joe Satriani type of music and some Flamenco
Yeah, I hate ppl that buy expensive guitars just to leave them in a corner of the house. My guitar teacher used to tell me that, parents used to buy their 12year old kids these expensive Strat Eric Clapton models and other ones, just so the kids would stop playing after 2 months...
My most expensive guitar costs $3000(best sounding acoustic/electric I've played), I'm also getting a custom one made, that I designed myself and I have 3 others (electric, acoustic, classical/flamenco.


Posted by Derivative on Oct-13-2004 20:38:

i usually play stuff along the lines of the smiths. most of my compositions you can tell the smiths influence at least. for the past several years ive been focused mostly only my own compositions rather than playing other peoples songs. the past 2 years ive been playing a lot of classical works, flamenco and folk songs. kurt cobain was my guitar hero when i first picked up an axe so i didnt feel the time was right to play the monster hard stuff until recently i too cannot play all of leyenda - i can do everything except the 7th fret high e's aka 'the bit where the song goes mentally fast.' and the double picks (truly insane without a plectrum. which is odd cuz the rest of the song is truly insane to play with a plectrum).

stuff i played years gone by? hmmm, alice in chains, pearl jam, pantera, hendrix (i used to play voodoo chile till everyone i knew hated the song...they were happy when my electric gave up the ghost)

ive lived with a few people that had the most stonking guitars ive ever played but ive never owned a stonking guitar myself. my favs were a hollow bodied love tone with unwound bass strings. absolutely beautiful for jazz. and my personal favourite electric, a custom fender telecaster (which had strat pickups on it and a switch to change between the too). the owner of that also had a mesa boogie valve amp which cost more than my mum's car. that was absolutely sweet aswell.

my favourite all time guitar was a gorgeous k yairi acoustic with pearl inlaid fret markers. it felt beautiful. every tiny bit of sound out of it made me feel like a guitar GOD. best guitar. ever. worst price tag. ever. �2,500. argh.


Posted by LKD on Oct-14-2004 13:35:

wow...i havent touched neither my electric nor my acoustic in over a year and a half now....this thread makes me wanan do it now...lol


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