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Honestly for some of you to be generalizing an entire country based on what you read on tranceaddict is hilarious.

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Originally posted by Special_K Honestly for some of you to be generalizing an entire country based on what you read on tranceaddict is hilarious.

What's wrong with this?? Isn't TA a representative cross section of the world??

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Originally posted by Special_K Honestly for some of you to be generalizing an entire country based on what you read on tranceaddict is hilarious.

I did not say that i based that statement on what i read on tranceaddict. Ofcourse there will be people in the USA that actually like trance, just like there are people in Europe who take the piss on house music.

I do know what is going on in the rest of the world. And I do know that trance is not as mainstream there as it is here in Holland.

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Originally posted by Special_K i dunno i guess a lot of you branch off into a lot of these mainstream genres but to be honest, Even if i had never played a gig before, and i got offerd a job playing at a top 40 club, there is no fucking way i would actually take the gig. I mean when you get booked to play somewhere you know what kinda crowd its ganna be, its not hard to do 5 mins of reasearch into the night, if it wasnt a crowd that was going to enjoy the style i play i would pass and i would seriously question the promoters head. In the years that ive been playing ive never been put in a situation where i would have had to comprimise my style to please a crowd.

THANK YOU SOO MUCH!!! I WANT TO SHAKE YOUR HAND !!!

THIS IS THE POINT I AM TRYING TO MAKE FOR SUCH A LONG TIME !!!!

this is such an interesting debate so I'll add my two cents.

Where I am, in New Zealand - funky clubby house rules the floors. Its accessible, you can paly it on the radio (easy listening). It is great warm up party music too. Trance peeps might think its good for the first hour or so when out, or maybe only at home when getting ready, but here in NZ, its all you hear until at least 1 am and then it finally starts getting harder. Usually on the tech/prog tip.

Anyway my point is I have to say I like this style, it gets everyoen in the mood and is nice warm, bright happy 'light' music. Trance is great but its a bit deep for playing early on. I think it works well in a huge festival where everyone is f*cked on drugs and just wants to dance to the most uplifting deepest music. But since most people these days (esp over here where pills are freaking expensive) are sober or maybe drunk...they want house, it just fits better.

This sucks for me as well because I play mainly deep house and prog which is also only good if you are fairly munted or at least...thats when you rEALLY get into it and get messy

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Originally posted by sebjr this is such an interesting debate so I'll add my two cents. Where I am, in New Zealand - funky clubby house rules the floors. Its accessible, you can paly it on the radio (easy listening). It is great warm up party music too. Trance peeps might think its good for the first hour or so when out, or maybe only at home when getting ready, but here in NZ, its all you hear until at least 1 am and then it finally starts getting harder. Usually on the tech/prog tip. Anyway my point is I have to say I like this style, it gets everyoen in the mood and is nice warm, bright happy 'light' music. Trance is great but its a bit deep for playing early on. I think it works well in a huge festival where everyone is f*cked on drugs and just wants to dance to the most uplifting deepest music. But since most people these days (esp over here where pills are freaking expensive) are sober or maybe drunk...they want house, it just fits better. This sucks for me as well because I play mainly deep house and prog which is also only good if you are fairly munted or at least...thats when you rEALLY get into it and get messy

My thoughts on your comments:

Trance is a much more emotional music form. It is made for people to feel different moods and more importantly dance. Dance in a way that expresses the feels you have when you listen to the music in a emotional way. For example, trance makes you want to lift your hands up in the air, jump around , clap, etc. IMO trance is a much more interactive expereince. However, most people do not know how to dance to trance. Thus when they hear it they are confussed.

As I said before , people are creatures of habit. AS a result when they go clubbing they want to grind on people and act silly. Why? Becuase they dont know or have been told what else they could do at a club. They are not fimilar with the concept of dancing or "expereincing " the music. However, at festivals where those who attend are more fimilar with trance and as a result dancing enjoy themselves. Unfortunetley, as you mention drugs are apart of thsi sceen. However,I do not agree with your comments on drugs = trance. Just becuase a few punk 17 yr. old kids do drugs doesnt mean the entire sceen is drug ladden.

Yes, each style of music express a certain feeling. I agree with you there. House is more fun and funky. Prog. is a bit more groovin and mellow. Trance is more banging and emotional. As a result people need to know how to dance and experice these different levels of music.

As I said many times the popular culture in general that goes clubbing 1) does not know how to dance 2) have a twisted idea of what clubbing means 3).are very idealistic and impressionable

Let me explain how the above three characterics do not make trance a popular form of club music.

1) The dont know how to dance

--> White people dont know how to dance. They have no groove or rythmn. Especially american white people. So what are white men to do when they go out if they dont knwo how to dance ?! Simple, they invented the grind. Its a very simple move that any horny guy can do from the age of 10 to 35. White men fell in love with this easy method to enjoying clubbing. As a result what musical form helped to push for that grinding action? You guessed it house and hip-hop. Why? Because as you said house , hip-hop, RnB, is sexy groovin music. No doubt. But like I said white men cant dance so once you drop some prog. trance or trance ---booom----dance floor empty

2) have a twisted idea of what clubbing means

Clubbing should mean a time to enjoy yourself while listening so great music. Over time this idea has been replaced with todays modern societies version of "ultra-hip" "ultra- sleek" nightclubs which people feel cool and imporant getting into. But once inside all tehy do is walk around..look at each other...judge other peoples looks..try to hook up and/or get wasted. This is crasss tasteless society at its best!!! Trust me I know this sh!t. I ve been going clubbin since I was 18. And its the same shit all over.

Thus when you a DJ is trying to play something new and different the crowd is like WTF !!! They demand, as part of their understanding of what a club should be , too play music that will help in creating this scene.Its no longer about the music but just a show and an attempt ot make people feel like they are part of something "cool" and "exclusive".

For example in NYC. ALl the clubs their are based on bullsh!t rappers who went their, tv stars that attend, and all that other bullshit. There are maybe 2 or 3 clubs in NYC that are known for a style of music or a DJ. Here in Chicago that number is ZERO !


3) idealistic and impressionable


People today are so full of bullsh!t they hear on TV or the radio that they dont even know what to beleive any more. How can you expect a socity thats brainwashed by mass media to grasp and understand an art form or concept which is not comminuated in the means which they undersand ( i.e. tv shows ,radio shows,media) . If carson on MTV started liking trance or the teen boopper shows showed trance as cool sexy music than when you would go clubbing PEOPLE would demand trance. Or if trance was seen as some bad-ass music where rich white guys from the subburbs can blast it in their cars and think they're hardasses ..than yes trance would be king. Unlike house which has its funky sexy ghetto beats or rap whcih has its badass lyrics and basslines ; trance can not compete in this "bullsh!t" idealistic and image based society.


my 2 cents

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Originally posted by davepiazza My thoughts on your comments: Trance is a much more emotional music form. It is made for people to feel different moods and more importantly dance. Dance in a way that expresses the feels you have when you listen to the music in a emotional way. For example, trance makes you want to lift your hands up in the air, jump around , clap, etc. IMO trance is a much more interactive expereince. However, most people do not know how to dance to trance. Thus when they hear it they are confussed. As I said before , people are creatures of habit. AS a result when they go clubbing they want to grind on people and act silly. Why? Becuase they dont know or have been told what else they could do at a club. They are not fimilar with the concept of dancing or "expereincing " the music. However, at festivals where those who attend are more fimilar with trance and as a result dancing enjoy themselves. Unfortunetley, as you mention drugs are apart of thsi sceen. However,I do not agree with your comments on drugs = trance. Just becuase a few punk 17 yr. old kids do drugs doesnt mean the entire sceen is drug ladden. Yes, each style of music express a certain feeling. I agree with you there. House is more fun and funky. Prog. is a bit more groovin and mellow. Trance is more banging and emotional. As a result people need to know how to dance and experice these different levels of music. As I said many times the popular culture in general that goes clubbing 1) does not know how to dance 2) have a twisted idea of what clubbing means 3).are very idealistic and impressionable Let me explain how the above three characterics do not make trance a popular form of club music. 1) The dont know how to dance --> White people dont know how to dance. They have no groove or rythmn. Especially american white people. So what are white men to do when they go out if they dont knwo how to dance ?! Simple, they invented the grind. Its a very simple move that any horny guy can do from the age of 10 to 35. White men fell in love with this easy method to enjoying clubbing. As a result what musical form helped to push for that grinding action? You guessed it house and hip-hop. Why? Because as you said house , hip-hop, RnB, is sexy groovin music. No doubt. But like I said white men cant dance so once you drop some prog. trance or trance ---booom----dance floor empty 2) have a twisted idea of what clubbing means Clubbing should mean a time to enjoy yourself while listening so great music. Over time this idea has been replaced with todays modern societies version of "ultra-hip" "ultra- sleek" nightclubs which people feel cool and imporant getting into. But once inside all tehy do is walk around..look at each other...judge other peoples looks..try to hook up and/or get wasted. This is crasss tasteless society at its best!!! Trust me I know this sh!t. I ve been going clubbin since I was 18. And its the same shit all over. Thus when you a DJ is trying to play something new and different the crowd is like WTF !!! They demand, as part of their understanding of what a club should be , too play music that will help in creating this scene.Its no longer about the music but just a show and an attempt ot make people feel like they are part of something "cool" and "exclusive". For example in NYC. ALl the clubs their are based on bullsh!t rappers who went their, tv stars that attend, and all that other bullshit. There are maybe 2 or 3 clubs in NYC that are known for a style of music or a DJ. Here in Chicago that number is ZERO ! 3) idealistic and impressionable People today are so full of bullsh!t they hear on TV or the radio that they dont even know what to beleive any more. How can you expect a socity thats brainwashed by mass media to grasp and understand an art form or concept which is not comminuated in the means which they undersand ( i.e. tv shows ,radio shows,media) . If carson on MTV started liking trance or the teen boopper shows showed trance as cool sexy music than when you would go clubbing PEOPLE would demand trance. Or if trance was seen as some bad-ass music where rich white guys from the subburbs can blast it in their cars and think they're hardasses ..than yes trance would be king. Unlike house which has its funky sexy ghetto beats or rap whcih has its badass lyrics and basslines ; trance can not compete in this "bullsh!t" idealistic and image based society. my 2 cents

Why don't you just STFU? I'm getting sick and tired of you stereotyping people and music. People like different things so get over it. I think the moral of the story is that house owns trance as far as the groove and the dancefloor are concerned, and that has been repeated throughout this thread. You are no different than the hardcore trance elitists on this board, as you bash other genres without giving any supporting reasons. Get off your high horse and realize that trance is not liked by everyone.

BTW, I am a WHITE AMERICAN BOY and I can dance just fine. I have the rhythm and the groove as I was brought up in a very musical family. IMO, jumping up and down in the air waving a glowstick for 2+ hours is not dancing. It's simply called jumping up and down.

If this comes off as harsh, I apologize, but I take offense to your post. Please have a little bit of respect.

davepiazza,

As "american white boy", i somewhat agree with your comments. You are generalizing a bit, since there really are still clubs where people go for the music. But mostly now it's about the scene like you described. People go to a club to hear music they just heard on the radio. People don't generally want to hear stuff they've never heard. They want to get into their little comfort zone and mack on the opposite sex.

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Originally posted by davepiazza My thoughts on your comments: Trance is a much more emotional music form. It is made for people to feel different moods and more importantly dance. Dance in a way that expresses the feels you have when you listen to the music in a emotional way. For example, trance makes you want to lift your hands up in the air, jump around , clap, etc. IMO trance is a much more interactive expereince. However, most people do not know how to dance to trance. Thus when they hear it they are confussed. As I said before , people are creatures of habit. AS a result when they go clubbing they want to grind on people and act silly. Why? Becuase they dont know or have been told what else they could do at a club. They are not fimilar with the concept of dancing or "expereincing " the music. However, at festivals where those who attend are more fimilar with trance and as a result dancing enjoy themselves. Unfortunetley, as you mention drugs are apart of thsi sceen. However,I do not agree with your comments on drugs = trance. Just becuase a few punk 17 yr. old kids do drugs doesnt mean the entire sceen is drug ladden. Yes, each style of music express a certain feeling. I agree with you there. House is more fun and funky. Prog. is a bit more groovin and mellow. Trance is more banging and emotional. As a result people need to know how to dance and experice these different levels of music. As I said many times the popular culture in general that goes clubbing 1) does not know how to dance 2) have a twisted idea of what clubbing means 3).are very idealistic and impressionable Let me explain how the above three characterics do not make trance a popular form of club music. 1) The dont know how to dance --> White people dont know how to dance. They have no groove or rythmn. Especially american white people. So what are white men to do when they go out if they dont knwo how to dance ?! Simple, they invented the grind. Its a very simple move that any horny guy can do from the age of 10 to 35. White men fell in love with this easy method to enjoying clubbing. As a result what musical form helped to push for that grinding action? You guessed it house and hip-hop. Why? Because as you said house , hip-hop, RnB, is sexy groovin music. No doubt. But like I said white men cant dance so once you drop some prog. trance or trance ---booom----dance floor empty 2) have a twisted idea of what clubbing means Clubbing should mean a time to enjoy yourself while listening so great music. Over time this idea has been replaced with todays modern societies version of "ultra-hip" "ultra- sleek" nightclubs which people feel cool and imporant getting into. But once inside all tehy do is walk around..look at each other...judge other peoples looks..try to hook up and/or get wasted. This is crasss tasteless society at its best!!! Trust me I know this sh!t. I ve been going clubbin since I was 18. And its the same shit all over. Thus when you a DJ is trying to play something new and different the crowd is like WTF !!! They demand, as part of their understanding of what a club should be , too play music that will help in creating this scene.Its no longer about the music but just a show and an attempt ot make people feel like they are part of something "cool" and "exclusive". For example in NYC. ALl the clubs their are based on bullsh!t rappers who went their, tv stars that attend, and all that other bullshit. There are maybe 2 or 3 clubs in NYC that are known for a style of music or a DJ. Here in Chicago that number is ZERO ! 3) idealistic and impressionable People today are so full of bullsh!t they hear on TV or the radio that they dont even know what to beleive any more. How can you expect a socity thats brainwashed by mass media to grasp and understand an art form or concept which is not comminuated in the means which they undersand ( i.e. tv shows ,radio shows,media) . If carson on MTV started liking trance or the teen boopper shows showed trance as cool sexy music than when you would go clubbing PEOPLE would demand trance. Or if trance was seen as some bad-ass music where rich white guys from the subburbs can blast it in their cars and think they're hardasses ..than yes trance would be king. Unlike house which has its funky sexy ghetto beats or rap whcih has its badass lyrics and basslines ; trance can not compete in this "bullsh!t" idealistic and image based society. my 2 cents

It is true that trance is an emotional music form. But isn't every piece of music an emotional music form? People express emotions in different ways.

And your comment about 'House is more fun and funky. Prog. is a bit more groovin and mellow. Trance is more banging and emotional. As a result people need to know how to dance and experice these different levels of music.' just states that.

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Clubbing should mean a time to enjoy yourself while listening so great music.

Exactly. So why can't people enjoy themselfs by grinding on other people while listening to house?

I agree that the clubbing scene is getting kind of f*cked up by the commercial side of the music industry, it happens in Holland too.

But what you need to remember is that not everyone likes trance. Some people can have the time of their lives by listening and 'dancing' to Hip-Hop. If that's the way the majority of the people wants it, clubs will have to follow along.

A club that keeps playing trance when people want to hear house will have to close its doors within weeks.

Remember, clubs need people to exist, and they will do virtually anything to keep those people coming.

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Originally posted by DJ Intrigue Why don't you just STFU? I'm getting sick and tired of you stereotyping people and music. People like different things so get over it. I think the moral of the story is that house owns trance as far as the groove and the dancefloor are concerned, and that has been repeated throughout this thread. You are no different than the hardcore trance elitists on this board, as you bash other genres without giving any supporting reasons. Get off your high horse and realize that trance is not liked by everyone. BTW, I am a WHITE AMERICAN BOY and I can dance just fine. I have the rhythm and the groove as I was brought up in a very musical family. IMO, jumping up and down in the air waving a glowstick for 2+ hours is not dancing. It's simply called jumping up and down. If this comes off as harsh, I apologize, but I take offense to your post. Please have a little bit of respect.

Ouch that was a bit harsh. But I did not mean to offend anyone with the comments rather is was my opinions.

Secondly, as a white american myself I am happy to that you can dance. But as I said in the post , sadly average white amercia can not dance and hates dance music. They prefer alternative rock n roll, as seen by demographic studies taken of the population.

Jumping up and down, clapping to a brreak down , lifing your hands up wayyy to the sky.....yes this is not dancing in oyur standards but its moving around. And you need to move around to trance.


I dont have time to reply to the other carless remarks you made without any ratioanle.

I stick to my story ; hopefully one day your come around.



P.S.

you must live in the burb sorry for that statement but its sooo f@cking true

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Originally posted by davepiazza My thoughts on your comments: Trance is a much more emotional music form. It is made for people to feel different moods and more importantly dance. Dance in a way that expresses the feels you have when you listen to the music in a emotional way. For example, trance makes you want to lift your hands up in the air, jump around , clap, etc. IMO trance is a much more interactive expereince. However, most people do not know how to dance to trance. Thus when they hear it they are confussed. As I said before , people are creatures of habit. AS a result when they go clubbing they want to grind on people and act silly. Why? Becuase they dont know or have been told what else they could do at a club. They are not fimilar with the concept of dancing or "expereincing " the music. However, at festivals where those who attend are more fimilar with trance and as a result dancing enjoy themselves. Unfortunetley, as you mention drugs are apart of thsi sceen. However,I do not agree with your comments on drugs = trance. Just becuase a few punk 17 yr. old kids do drugs doesnt mean the entire sceen is drug ladden. Yes, each style of music express a certain feeling. I agree with you there. House is more fun and funky. Prog. is a bit more groovin and mellow. Trance is more banging and emotional. As a result people need to know how to dance and experice these different levels of music. As I said many times the popular culture in general that goes clubbing 1) does not know how to dance 2) have a twisted idea of what clubbing means 3).are very idealistic and impressionable Let me explain how the above three characterics do not make trance a popular form of club music. 1) The dont know how to dance --> White people dont know how to dance. They have no groove or rythmn. Especially american white people. So what are white men to do when they go out if they dont knwo how to dance ?! Simple, they invented the grind. Its a very simple move that any horny guy can do from the age of 10 to 35. White men fell in love with this easy method to enjoying clubbing. As a result what musical form helped to push for that grinding action? You guessed it house and hip-hop. Why? Because as you said house , hip-hop, RnB, is sexy groovin music. No doubt. But like I said white men cant dance so once you drop some prog. trance or trance ---booom----dance floor empty 2) have a twisted idea of what clubbing means Clubbing should mean a time to enjoy yourself while listening so great music. Over time this idea has been replaced with todays modern societies version of "ultra-hip" "ultra- sleek" nightclubs which people feel cool and imporant getting into. But once inside all tehy do is walk around..look at each other...judge other peoples looks..try to hook up and/or get wasted. This is crasss tasteless society at its best!!! Trust me I know this sh!t. I ve been going clubbin since I was 18. And its the same shit all over. Thus when you a DJ is trying to play something new and different the crowd is like WTF !!! They demand, as part of their understanding of what a club should be , too play music that will help in creating this scene.Its no longer about the music but just a show and an attempt ot make people feel like they are part of something "cool" and "exclusive". For example in NYC. ALl the clubs their are based on bullsh!t rappers who went their, tv stars that attend, and all that other bullshit. There are maybe 2 or 3 clubs in NYC that are known for a style of music or a DJ. Here in Chicago that number is ZERO ! 3) idealistic and impressionable People today are so full of bullsh!t they hear on TV or the radio that they dont even know what to beleive any more. How can you expect a socity thats brainwashed by mass media to grasp and understand an art form or concept which is not comminuated in the means which they undersand ( i.e. tv shows ,radio shows,media) . If carson on MTV started liking trance or the teen boopper shows showed trance as cool sexy music than when you would go clubbing PEOPLE would demand trance. Or if trance was seen as some bad-ass music where rich white guys from the subburbs can blast it in their cars and think they're hardasses ..than yes trance would be king. Unlike house which has its funky sexy ghetto beats or rap whcih has its badass lyrics and basslines ; trance can not compete in this "bullsh!t" idealistic and image based society. my 2 cents

Dave, dave, dave.... perhaps, it is you that has a distorted image of what exactly clubbing is. People go to clubs to hook up, get wasted, etc. I definitely judge other people's looks and look at beautiful girls. I also do the white boy grind when I am dancing sometimes because:
A) the dancefloor is either too crowded to dance with a girl any other way
B) it's fun
It's not to impress all the dancefloor queens out there. If you can dance awesome, then great, but no one really cares except you and whatever girl you're dancing with.

What you're mixing up is the difference between a rave and a club. When I think of a club, I think of somewhere you get dressed up to go, drink or whatever your thing is, meet people, dance how you want and go home.

When you think of a club you obviously are thinking of the warehouses where anyone can get in wearing whatever ridiculous apparel they want, dance by themselves all night and want it to be as "underground" as possible -- this is a rave.

I stated that house music gets the floor going more than trance does under normal circumstances to a general public - I am right. It brings elements of hip-hop, EDM and yes, that poppy crap they play on TV without compromising its own unique style as a whole different genre -- therefore, it reaches a larger crowd and fills the floor easier.

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Originally posted by djxtension I'm not from the USA but I have read enough 'My First Gig' threads to know that the majority of people in the USA do not like trance.

ummmmm. Sounds to me like you ARE baseing that statement on what you read on tranceaddict. thats exactly what it says, unless you worded that last comment wrong. but whatever.

and to the comment made by wraith, I really hope you dont see TA as the be all end all when it comes to info on international electronic music scenes, cause it dosnt even come close.

this isnt directed at any one person....im sure some of you are ganna get your panties in a knot over it so just chill.



ok first of all im white i can dance, Most of my good friends are white and all them can dance, in fact almost every white guy i know can dance. My buddy is probably one of the best bboys in vancouver and guess what, hes white. Thats like me saying all arabs are terrorists, its a mindless racist comment.

and you can say one genre has more emotion then another, thats one of the dumbest things i have ever heard. Obviously if you like one genre more its going to envoke more emotion for you. I listen to prog house and to be honest most of the trance you guys listen to dosnt do a goddamn thing for me. Its going to be diffrent for everyone depending on their musical background.


now i got a couple more things to say. You guys over think shit soooooooooooo much. Like i read some of this and its just retarded. wanna know why most clubs have top 40 nights? cause the people going wanna LISTEN TO TOP 40. Who are we to say that they are brainwashed just because they dont listen to trance. I cant stand seeing some of you point your noses down on people just cause the music they listen to, like you are all high and mighty. I have lots of friends that listen to lots of diffrent styles of music and i go to a very wide variety of clubs. Clubs market genre specific nights for a reason, if you dont like the 'brainwashed' top 40 nights then stay the hell away. And if your city dosnt have electronica nights......well i guess your close minded self will have to sit in your room on TA all saturday night being a social outcast cause your a genre snob,

and back to the DJ issue for a second i said it before but im ganna be a bit more harsh now, If you get asked to play at a top 40 club, and you spin trance, WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU TAKE THE GIG??. One thing i have learned in the many years i have been playing is that forcing music on people, no matter what the genre will NEVER WORK. This is the fisrt time i will say how SHOCKED i am to read so many threads about amature trance or house dj's going to a gig and playing hip-hop or top 40 at the last min. This entire summer i held a residency at one of the nicest lounges in the city i live in, the place was VERY expensive so i was playing for very wealthy 40'somthing crowd (very hard crowd to read) Most people loved it, some hated it, not once did i comprimise my style, not once did i play somthing i didnt want to. If at any point the owner would have asked me to play some hip-hop or top 40 or anything i didnt actually play i would have packed up and left. You got to stay true to your shit, otherwise whats the point?



*kinda off topic*

Oh ya and most of you who are all against "grinding" (god knows why) ya its probably cause you've never even done it before, Im sorry but if im on the dance floor and a hottie wants to grind.....no fucking way im saying no, i dont care what kinda music is playing.
haha because having hot girls dry hump you is such a horrible experience LOL......

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Originally posted by Special_K and to the comment made by wraith, I really hope you dont see TA as the be all end all when it comes to info on international electronic music scenes, cause it dosnt even come close.

Ok, when I make a sarcastic crack do I have make light of the sarcasm instead of hoping that people will get the inferred sarcasm by the 2 smiley faces and the freaking rolling eyes smiley?!?!?! C'mon now!!! I guess I'll do my sarcasm like the board's command for bolding etc. Here is the test run on the post in question:

[SARCASM] What's wrong with this?? Isn't TA a representative cross section of the world?? [/SARCASM]

A bit easier to understand but it looks like ass.

ya i figured the sarcasim on your part, but really with a lot of the people on here thats the exact kind of thing they would say seriously.

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Originally posted by Special_K ya i figured the sarcasim on your part, but really with a lot of the people on here thats the exact kind of thing they would say seriously.

Yea I know. I just figured I take the piss for a bit. It's scary to see how warped some peoples thoughts are on things. As far as the white people can't dance stereotype that's about as valid as saying all African American people are good at sports. I'm a white guy and am not very skilled in dancing but I know and have seen white guys that can out dance alot of people.

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Originally posted by davepiazza I stick to my story ; hopefully one day your come around. P.S. you must live in the burb sorry for that statement but its sooo f@cking true

I live in town, which yes, that is considered a suburb, but I don't live in a big city (if that is what you are implying). Where do you live, might I ask and what relevance does that have to do with anything? Why the fuck do you seem to care?

The hell do you mean by come around? I have nothing to come around to and I have nothing to prove to you. IMO, house owns trance and that's that. You can't change my opinion so please stop with the remarks and lame-ass assumptions.

this is ganna turn into a cage match real soon

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Originally posted by Special_K *kinda off topic* Oh ya and most of you who are all against "grinding" (god knows why) ya its probably cause you've never even done it before, Im sorry but if im on the dance floor and a hottie wants to grind.....no fucking way im saying no, i dont care what kinda music is playing. haha because having hot girls dry hump you is such a horrible experience LOL......

Finally, a voice of reason.... glad someone else agrees with me on this.

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Originally posted by Special_K this is ganna turn into a cage match real soon

Haha! I just don't know why certain things are being brought up that have no relevance at all. Furthermore, half of those things being said are ignorant as hell and need some serious integrity and reality to back them up.

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Originally posted by Dirk W. Finally, a voice of reason.... glad someone else agrees with me on this.

DRY HUMP ALLIANCE 2004!!!!!!!1

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Originally posted by DJ Intrigue Furthermore, half of those things being said are ignorant as hell and need some serious integrity and reality to back them up.

hence my post

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Originally posted by Special_K DRY HUMP ALLIANCE 2004!!!!!!!1

Count me in!!!

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Originally posted by Special_K DRY HUMP ALLIANCE 2004!!!!!!!1

LOL, you need to make a banner.... I'll sport it.

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Originally posted by Dirk W. Dave, dave, dave.... perhaps, it is you that has a distorted image of what exactly clubbing is. People go to clubs to hook up, get wasted, etc. I definitely judge other people's looks and look at beautiful girls. I also do the white boy grind when I am dancing sometimes because: A) the dancefloor is either too crowded to dance with a girl any other way B) it's fun It's not to impress all the dancefloor queens out there. If you can dance awesome, then great, but no one really cares except you and whatever girl you're dancing with. What you're mixing up is the difference between a rave and a club. When I think of a club, I think of somewhere you get dressed up to go, drink or whatever your thing is, meet people, dance how you want and go home. When you think of a club you obviously are thinking of the warehouses where anyone can get in wearing whatever ridiculous apparel they want, dance by themselves all night and want it to be as "underground" as possible -- this is a rave. I stated that house music gets the floor going more than trance does under normal circumstances to a general public - I am right. It brings elements of hip-hop, EDM and yes, that poppy crap they play on TV without compromising its own unique style as a whole different genre -- therefore, it reaches a larger crowd and fills the floor easier.

First, excellent job in explaining where you disagreed with me. I apperiate those who take their time to write an well-thoughtout rebutal. Unlike others

Interesting to see how you admited to being one of those poeple that "judge" others. Won't comment on that.

However. please re-read what i worte carefully because I think you are misunderstanding what I am reccomending. I am in essence refereing to changing the underlining culuture and value system of the american club land. A reversal , one might say, of what club culture should be. (Let me briefly explain. People should still dress up to go to clubs but this shouldnt be the prodimant reason why anyone would want to go out.Clubbing, imo, should be about the music.) This is where we disagree.

Your rebuttal is not based on theory or of virtues but rather the dogmatic principiles that shape the system today. In order to approach this question you must look beyond yourself and look at the greater picture. Try to find the true answer not the commonly sought beleived one.

I have clearly seen in many posts that many can not step away from persoanly dogmatic idealogy. The role one should undertake when debating is to isloate personal beliefs and critically anylize the arguement at hand. Having an open mind and an open heart greatly foster intellgent debate.


DJ Intrigue I could not justify a response to your 3 sentence rebuttal;, which I found more a personal attack rather than an attack on the statement.

Genrealiztion are dangerous to make, however, to properely anylize the value of system of clubs we must try to make similarties in pratice in clubs around the USA ;as a result we generalize.

The specific statements made about club culture was not intended to be a personal attack on anyone ( unlike what many of you are trying to conjure now). Let us please move back on topic and debate the inaccurancies or truths in the cultural system within the American clubs. I have brougth forth my understanding and linked causation for todays dimise in club culture which in turn has affected EDM and the DJ.

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