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| Originally posted by Cyrus King These zionists are fighting a losing battle. Israel will cease to exist as a Jewish majority state in the next decades... have fun living with your favourite people... ARABS! |
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| Originally posted by hardcore trancer Lucky you  p.s you still look like a 12 yr old. |
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| Originally posted by ogvh5150 The first thing you ought to do is get a dictionary or use spellcheck. But the question posed to you my 12 year old friend is: Zionism advocates the extermination of all gentiles. Is this not your view? |
The policy of the US is whatever Israel wants it to be and you knew that:
Israeli Intel given to US link here
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| It was a bit stunning, therefore, to read an article in Strategic Assessment, the quarterly bulletin issued by the Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies at Tel Aviv University. The report, titled �The War in Iraq: An Intelligence Failure?� was written by Shlomo Brom, a brigadier general in the Israeli army reserves, and said what no one seems to have dared publish since President George W. Bush decided to wage war on Iraq. Shockingly, it told the full truth about the American and British intelligence �sources� making the case for war. In fact, according to Brom, these sources were utterly compromised by Israeli intelligence, which made the case for starting the war and kept it going as long as necessary. The retired general described Israel as a �full partner� in U.S. and British intelligence failures that exaggerated Iraqi President Saddam Hussain�s nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs in the lead up to the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq. |
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| Originally posted by ogvh5150 The policy of the US is whatever Isarael wants it to be and you knew that: Israeli Intel given to US link here |
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| Originally posted by DJ-Kreing^^ Nope, just the extermination of the terrorists who wish to see our country stop existing. Not that far from the policy of the country you live in. |
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| Originally posted by washingtonpost.com online article titled: Two Calif. Men Charged In Plot to Bomb Mosque Both Belong to Militant Jewish Group By William Booth Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, December 13, 2001; Page A01 LOS ANGELES, Dec. 12 -- Two leaders of the militant Jewish Defense League were arrested here Tuesday night as they were assembling bombs to use in planned attacks against one of the city's largest mosques and the local offices of an Arab American House member, federal officials announced today. The two men, Irving David Rubin and Earl Leslie Krugel, were charged today with conspiracy to manufacture and detonate bombs targeting Arab and Muslim buildings in the Los Angeles area, as well as the San Clemente offices of Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), who is a grandson of Lebanese immigrants. Krugel, 59, was arrested at his home in Reseda as he was receiving delivery from a police informant of five pounds of gunpowder of the type used to fire cannons. Inside the home were two drilled foot-long pipes, end caps and fuses. There were also a dozen rifles and handguns. FBI officials described the bomb components as relatively sophisticated, ready for assembly and capable of blowing out the doors and windows of a building and killing anyone nearby. "The devices appeared to be constructed to destroy property, though, of course, anyone near them when they exploded probably would have been seriously injured or killed," said Ronald Iden, the assistant director in charge of the FBI's Los Angeles field office. Krugel was described by the FBI as "a leading member" of the Jewish Defense League and Rubin as "the leader" of the group, which federal officials characterized today as "a violent, subversive organization" that was preparing to engage in acts of domestic terrorism. The FBI had the organization under surveillance since receiving a tip from an informant in October, officials said. In court papers, FBI agents detailed wiretaps and taped conversations between the informant and Rubin and Krugel in which they discussed their motivations. Krugel stated that "Arabs needed a wake-up call and that the JDL needed to do something to one of their 'filthy' mosques," according to FBI wiretaps. The JDL was founded by Rabbi Meir Kahane to defend Jews against anti-Semitic attacks in New York during the 1980s. Kahane was murdered in 1990. Before his death, he founded the extremist Kach party in Israel, which advocated the expulsion of all Arabs from Israel and Israeli-occupied territories. Rubin, 56, was arrested Tuesday evening while driving near his home after meeting with Krugel and an FBI informant at Jerry's Famous Deli in Encino. Rubin's attorney, Peter Morris, said his client is innocent and the victim of overzealous prosecution by the government in the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. If convicted, Rubin and Krugel face 30 years in prison. Rubin and Krugel had been under surveillance since the confidential source approached the FBI and told agents that he was a member of the JDL and that he had planted a bomb at a mosque at the direction of JDL leaders. FBI officials declined to reveal more information about the confidential source or the alleged bombings in the past. But according to federal investigators, the source met repeatedly with Rubin and Krugel to purchase bomb components, to discuss tactics and to review photographs of possible targets. In one exchange, Rubin allegedly said that "it was his desire to blow up an entire building, but the JDL did not have the technology to accomplish such a bomb." In the wiretaps, Krugel and Rubin tell the informant that the bombings should strike buildings and not human targets -- "because they still had not heard the end of the Alex Odeh incident," a reference to the ongoing investigation into the 1985 murder in Santa Ana, Calif., of Alexander Odeh, regional director of the American Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee. Odeh was killed when a bomb delivered to his office blew up. A $1 million reward for information leading to the arrest of anyone connected with the Odeh bombing was announced today. The targets discussed by Rubin and Krugel, according to the FBI, included the King Fahd Mosque in Culver City, the offices of the Muslim Public Affairs Council in Los Angeles and the southern California offices of Issa. Today, Issa, a freshman member of the House, said: "I have no way of knowing why I have become the focus and target of these individuals. Like most Americans, my hope and wish is for a peaceful resolution to the Middle East conflict." The Muslim Public Affairs Council employs about a dozen people in a large office building along Wilshire Boulevard in Los Angeles. The council works to educate the media, the public and elected officials about Islam. Salam Marayati, the council's executive director in Los Angeles, said that one of his colleagues was threatened after a recent speech at the University of Judaism. But, otherwise, the council has not received any specific terrorist threats, he said. Marayati said that if the attack had succeeded, it would have terrified local Muslims in the midst of Ramadan celebrations. "People are trying to focus on their spiritual needs," Marayati said. "It really would have amounted to carnage on our streets." Marayati praised the FBI for "showing and underscoring that terrorism is not monopolized by any one religion. It's a problem across the board." However, he was concerned that future attacks could be in the works. "We don't believe that it's limited to two people," Marayati said. "We're concerned that there's a wider network." Mainstream Jewish groups applauded law enforcement for the arrests and denounced the JDL and its members. "The Jewish Defense League is a tiny organization that employs tactics that are counter to the values of the Jewish community," said Rabbi Gary Greenebaum, a director of the American Jewish Committee. Special correspondent Jeff Adler contributed to this report. � 2001 The Washington Post Company |
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| Originally posted by DJ-Kreing^^ Now here is my question to you |
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| Originally posted by ogvh5150 We have laws in this country that are violated by so called allies. Wake up and unplug yourself from the matrix: Terrorists like these two from the Jewish Defense League: |
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| Originally posted by ogvh5150 I was in discussion with the israeli army 12yo before you joined in. Besides you have 5 questions embedded in that one "question". |
I asked YonatanArbel the question and not you.
You have yet to offer any proof past of what you have said.
And it don't mean anything.
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| Originally posted by DJ-Kreing^^ And please, show both sides of the coin not just your favorite. |
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| Originally posted by ogvh5150 I asked YonatanArbel the question and not you. |
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| Originally posted by DJ-Kreing^^ So I understand you rather have a discussion with a so called "12 yo" than with someone who knows what he talks about. This really shows your true level of intellect. |
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| Originally posted by ogvh5150 You have yet to offer any proof past of what you have said. And it don't mean anything. |
FBI Suspects Israel Has Mole in Pentagon -- CBS
mossad agents Killing Oz Tourists to Steal their Identity used in terror opps
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| Originally posted by ogvh5150 And just who would that favorite be? Are you saying I am a terrorist? Are you saying I am anti-semitic? Browse my posts before you shoot yourself in the foot. |
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| Originally posted by ogvh5150 FBI Suspects Israel Has Mole in Pentagon -- CBS mossad agents Killing Oz Tourists to Steal their Identity used in terror opps |
I didn't start the thread if you would look carefully.
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| Originally posted by ogvh5150 I didn't start the thread if you would look carefully. |
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| Originally posted by DJ-Kreing^^ And your point here exactly is�? |
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Sunday, 8 December, 2002, 01:22 GMT Israel 'faked al-Qaeda presence' Officials from the Palestinian Authority have accused the Israeli spy agency Mossad of setting up a fake al-Qaeda terrorist cell in Gaza. Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat said that Israel had set up the mock cell in order to justify attacks in Palestinian areas. Raanan Gissin, a spokesman for Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, called the allegation "sheer nonsense". On Thursday Mr Sharon said that members of Osama Bin Laden's al-Qaeda terror network were at work in the Gaza Strip, aiming to attack Israel. Israel has named al-Qaeda as the prime suspect in a suicide bombing at a hotel in Mombasa, Kenya that killed 16 people last week and an unsuccessful missile attack on a nearby Israeli passenger jet. "It is a big, big, big lie to cover (Sharon's) attacks and his crimes against our people everywhere," Mr Arafat said at his headquarters in the West Bank city of Ramallah. Communications traced Colonel Rashid Abu-Shbak, the Palestinian head of preventative security, said eight Palestinians had been approached from outside Gaza, and had been asked by Israeli agents to work for al-Qaeda with offers of money and weapons. Colonel Abu-Shbak said the first approaches were made in March this year, and that all communications had been traced back to Israeli intelligence. He cited the case of one Palestinian militant who had been approached and had been supplied with guns, and who was killed on his way to collect a second consignment of weapons. "We are sure that Israel is behind this and that there are absolutely no groups such as al-Qaeda operating here," Colonel Abu-Shbak said. "We can't say there will never be al-Qaeda here, but at least not for now," he added. Mr Gissin said that the Palestinian accusations were propaganda and disinformation put out by officials trying "to exonerate themselves from the allegations they are collaborating and participating with terrorists". US accusations On Friday American media reported that al-Qaeda has set up a branch to help Palestinian militant groups fight Israel, according to a website US officials believe is linked to the organisation. The new group has called for an end to inter-Palestinian feuding and has vowed to launch suicide attacks against Israeli and American targets in the Middle East, it said in a statement on the website, mojahedoon.net. The Washington Post newspaper said United States officials believe the website speaks for al-Qaeda, and that it is being monitored by US intelligence agencies. The Arabic-language website said al-Qaeda took responsibility for the attacks in Kenya. The website carried a statement purportedly from the new al-Qaeda branch - the Islamic al-Qaeda in Palestine - pledging allegiance to Osama Bin Laden. The group said it rejected any peace talks between Israel and the Palestinian Authority, declaring it would accept "nothing but the full liberation of the Palestinian land". |
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| Apr. 24, 2004 13:38 | Updated Apr. 24, 2004 19:40 Zur: Israel has infiltrated Hamas leadership By JPOST.COM STAFF Border Police head Cmdr. David Zur, said Saturday that "Israel has people in the leadership of the Hamas." Zur was responding to a question posed to him regarding Israel's success in finding and killing top terrorist leaders, Ynet reported. Zur was speaking at a cultural event in Beer Sheba. "We are excelling in everything connected to human intelligence. We're investing in agents. Israel has excelled beyond belief in this field," Zur said. |
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| Analysis: Hamas history tied to Israel By Richard Sale UPI Terrorism Correspondent Published 6/18/2002 8:13 PM In the wake of a suicide bomb attack Tuesday on a crowded Jerusalem city bus that killed 19 people and wounded at least 70 more, the Islamic Resistance Movement, Hamas, took credit for the blast. Israeli officials called it the deadliest attack in Jerusalem in six years. Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon immediately vowed to fight "Palestinian terror" and summoned his cabinet to decide on a military response to the organization that Sharon had once described as "the deadliest terrorist group that we have ever had to face." Active in Gaza and the West Bank, Hamas wants to liberate all of Palestine and establish a radical Islamic state in place of Israel. It is has gained notoriety with its assassinations, car bombs and other acts of terrorism. But Sharon left something out. Israel and Hamas may currently be locked in deadly combat, but, according to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years. Israel "aided Hamas directly -- the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)," said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies. Israel's support for Hamas "was a direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative," said a former senior CIA official. According to documents United Press International obtained from the Israel-based Institute for Counter Terrorism, Hamas evolved from cells of the Muslim Brotherhood, founded in Egypt in 1928. Islamic movements in Israel and Palestine were "weak and dormant" until after the 1967 Six Day War in which Israel scored a stunning victory over its Arab enemies. After 1967, a great part of the success of the Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood was due to their activities among the refugees of the Gaza Strip. The cornerstone of the Islamic movements success was an impressive social, religious, educational and cultural infrastructure, called Da'wah, that worked to ease the hardship of large numbers of Palestinian refugees, confined to camps, and many who were living on the edge. "Social influence grew into political influence," first in the Gaza Strip, then on the West Bank, said an administration official who spoke on condition of anonymity. According to ICT papers, Hamas was legally registered in Israel in 1978 by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, the movement's spiritual leader, as an Islamic Association by the name Al-Mujamma al Islami, which widened its base of supporters and sympathizers by religious propaganda and social work. According to U.S. administration officials, funds for the movement came from the oil-producing states and directly and indirectly from Israel. The PLO was secular and leftist and promoted Palestinian nationalism. Hamas wanted to set up a transnational state under the rule of Islam, much like Khomeini's Iran. What took Israeli leaders by surprise was the way the Islamic movements began to surge after the Iranian revolution, after armed resistance to Israel sprang up in southern Lebanon vis-�-vis the Hezbollah, backed by Iran, these sources said. "Nothing provides the energy for imitation as much as success," commented one administration expert. A further factor of Hamas' growth was the fact the PLO moved its base of operations to Beirut in the '80s, leaving the Islamic organization to grow in influence in the Occupied Territories "as the court of last resort," he said. When the intifada began, Israeli leadership was surprised when Islamic groups began to surge in membership and strength. Hamas immediately grew in numbers and violence. The group had always embraced the doctrine of armed struggle, but the doctrine had not been practiced and Islamic groups had not been subjected to suppression the way groups like Fatah had been, according to U.S. government officials. But with the triumph of the Khomeini revolution in Iran, with the birth of Iranian-backed Hezbollah terrorism in Lebanon, Hamas began to gain in strength in Gaza and then in the West Bank, relying on terror to resist the Israeli occupation. Israel was certainly funding the group at that time. One U.S. intelligence source who asked not to be named said that not only was Hamas being funded as a "counterweight" to the PLO, Israeli aid had another purpose: "To help identify and channel towards Israeli agents Hamas members who were dangerous terrorists." In addition, by infiltrating Hamas, Israeli informers could only listen to debates on policy and identify Hamas members who "were dangerous hard-liners," the official said. In the end, as Hamas set up a very comprehensive counterintelligence system, many collaborators with Israel were weeded out and shot. Violent acts of terrorism became the central tenet, and Hamas, unlike the PLO, was unwilling to compromise in any way with Israel, refusing to acquiesce in its very existence. But even then, some in Israel saw some benefits to be had in trying to continue to give Hamas support: "The thinking on the part of some of the right-wing Israeli establishment was that Hamas and the others, if they gained control, would refuse to have any part of the peace process and would torpedo any agreements put in place," said a U.S. government official who asked not to be named. "Israel would still be the only democracy in the region for the United States to deal with," he said. All of which disgusts some former U.S. intelligence officials. "The thing wrong with so many Israeli operations is that they try to be too sexy," said former CIA official Vincent Cannestraro. According to former State Department counter-terrorism official Larry Johnson, "the Israelis are their own worst enemies when it comes to fighting terrorism." "The Israelis are like a guy who sets fire to his hair and then tries to put it out by hitting it with a hammer." "They do more to incite and sustain terrorism than curb it," he said. Aid to Hamas may have looked clever, "but it was hardly designed to help smooth the waters," he said. "An operation like that gives weight to President George Bush's remark about there being a crisis in education." Cordesman said that a similar attempt by Egyptian intelligence to fund Egypt's fundamentalists had also come to grief because of "misreading of the complexities." An Israeli defense official was asked if Israel had given aid to Hamas said, "I am not able to answer that question. I was in Lebanon commanding a unit at the time, besides it is not my field of interest." Asked to confirm a report by U.S. officials that Brig. Gen. Yithaq Segev, the military governor of Gaza, had told U.S. officials he had helped fund "Islamic movements as a counterweight to the PLO and communists," the official said he could confirm only that he believed Segev had served back in 1986. The Israeli Embassy press office referred UPI to its Web site when asked to comment. Copyright � 2001-2004 United Press International |
What you don't see with your eyes, don't invent with your mouth. Jewish proverb
"For murder, whether of a Cuthean by a Cuthean, or of an Israelite by a Cuthean, punishment is incurred; but of a Cuthean by an Israelite, there is no death penalty" Babylonian Talmud Sanhedrin 57a
R. Hanina said: If a heathen smites a Jew, he is worthy of death, for it is written, And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian. R. Hanina also said: He who smites an Israelite on the jaw, is as though he had thus assaulted the Divine Presence; for it is written, one who smiteth man [i.e. an Israelite] attacketh the Holy One. Babylonian Talmud Sanhedrin 57b
Sanhedrin 90a . Those who read the New Testament, Koran, etc. and other uncanonical books will have no portion in the world to come:
MISHNAH. ALL ISRAEL HAVE A PORTION IN THE WORLD TO COME, FOR IT IS WRITTEN, THY PEOPLE ARE ALL RIGHTEOUS; THEY SHALL INHERIT THE LAND FOR EVER, THE BRANCH OF MY PLANTING, THE WORK OF MY HANDS, THAT I MAY BE GLORIFIED.'
BUT THE FOLLOWING HAVE NO PORTION THEREIN: HE WHO MAINTAINS THAT RESURRECTION IS NOT A BIBLICAL DOCTRINE, THE TORAH WAS NOT DIVINELY REVEALED,
AND AN EPIKOROS. R. AKIBA ADDED: ONE WHO READS UNCANONICAL BOOKS. ALSO ONE WHO WHISPERS [A CHARM] OVER A WOUND AND SAYS, I WILL BRING NONE OF THESE DISEASES UPON THEE WHICH I BROUGHT UPON THE EGYPTIANS: FOR I AM THE LORD THAT HEALETH THEE.' ABBA SAUL SAYS: ALSO ONE WHO PRONOUNCES THE DIVINE NAME AS IT IS SPELT.
Contents of the Soncino Babylonian Talmud
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| Originally posted by YonatanArbel ROFL no1 forces u 2 draft the army... im doing it because i wanna serv my country and there are many pepole who doesnt want to serv in the army so they dont.. |
Tell me that Judaism is peaceful. And I will show you how "peaceful" Islam is.
Both have racist doctrines.
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| Originally posted by ogvh5150 The first thing you ought to do is get a dictionary or use spellcheck. But the question posed to you my 12 year old friend is: Zionism advocates the extermination of all gentiles. Is this not your view? |
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| Originally posted by skoubidou clarification: if you don't serve, you get thrown in jail. plus, you'll never find a job. |
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| Originally posted by ogvh5150 Tell me that Judaism is peaceful. And I will show you how "peaceful" Islam is. Both have racist doctrines. |
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| Originally posted by YonatanArbel well another arabic who knows shit... u better shutup and keep living under syrian occupation... and do what they tell u because in ur country its Gerilla forces and btw.. my friend didnt serv in the army , today he is working @ microsoft and he worked in other jobs before without any problems and he didnt go the jail never! |
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