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Originally posted by The Master To make it possible to share his music with as many people as possible and because there are a couple of earlier released tracks, the CD will be available for a nice price!

I just noticed that last part. Sounds like a good deal.

Not gonna put him down like the others just because he's releasing new stuff. Besides, if he didn't release some of the stuff he played at the Olympics, people would verbally bitchslap him just as much as they're doing now.

Curious to hear some of these though. Should be interesting.

The fiancee would be the first in line, for killing a huge opportunity to make more coin and sell a CD to people who watched the olympics but did not see him live or know anything about his music.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery I see your point(s) and respect them even if I don't agree with all of them. I do think Tiësto can be a bit of a hit and miss, though. He's always been that way, really, it's just that noone seemed to mind until he got as big as he is now...

It's hard for any of those guys who spin trance. Almost every trance dj is hit and miss. Only a few bring unique tracklistings and they usually have flaws technically. I would definitely rather listen to Tiesto than a George Acosta or a Micro that play the same monotonous style all the time. I just think Armin Van Buuren should get a lot more props than he does, and, certainly, more than Tiesto does. He plays sets with just as good a variety of good music, but is far superior technically. I will lay off the Tijs bashing, and make sure that if I have a comment, it's not a reckless slam, but a thought that is stimulating and helps the thread rather than derails it. I hope this comment is more acceptable to you guys.

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 ....yale trance has been mia...

Hello there!

Theme from Norjefell 2004 is mia.

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Originally posted by Nite-Mer I just think Armin Van Buuren should get a lot more props than he does, and, certainly, more than Tiesto does. He plays sets with just as good a variety of good music, but is far superior technically.

hahahahahahahahaha I missed TA for ridiculous comments like this one. So you're 16 years old and discovered trance two months ago?

I thought the ASOT epidemic would have gone away by now, but I was wrong. Why can't people tell the really basic difference between a real artist with a trascendental impact on the history of 21st century music with a simple follower like Armin van Boring?

alot of thank to ur mind

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Originally posted by Pio Hello there! Theme from Norjefell 2004 is mia. hahahahahahahahaha I missed TA for ridiculous comments like this one. So you're 16 years old and discovered trance two months ago? I thought the ASOT epidemic would have gone away by now, but I was wrong. Why can't people tell the really basic difference between a real artist with a trascendental impact on the history of 21st century music with a simple follower like Armin van Boring?

I don't know if you have half an ear for what's going on on the decks, but if you try and tell me Tiesto is anywhere near as technically solid as Armin, you should check yourself into the asylum. Agreed that Armin came after Tiesto, but there are several protege's better than their predecessor's. And I'll compare trance cd collections and trance record collections with you any day. Hold on, I don't have time, cause I'd be here typing for several days.

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Originally posted by Pio Why can't people tell the really basic difference between a real artist with a trascendental impact on the history of 21st century music with a simple follower like Armin van Boring?

Yeah, why can't you.

LOL at this thread... we already got 9 pages on the other Tiesto-Olympics thread (of which, maybe 1/2 page was actually useful). And this one already has 3 pages of flamebait... *sigh*

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Originally posted by Nite-Mer I just think Armin Van Buuren should get a lot more props than he does, and, certainly, more than Tiesto does. He plays sets with just as good a variety of good music, but is far superior technically.

Just wait... when/if Armin becomes #1, he'll be bashed too. Heck... it's happening already with all the ASOT bashers.

Too many haters in this world... just leave it be.

If you don't like it, fine. But just stop spamming the forums with the same old shit (you know who you are!). I'm gonna stop because this too is just adding to the crap.

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Originally posted by Nite-Mer I don't know if you have half an ear for what's going on on the decks, but if you try and tell me Tiesto is anywhere near as technically solid as Armin, you should check yourself into the asylum. Agreed that Armin came after Tiesto, but there are several protege's better than their predecessor's. And I'll compare trance cd collections and trance record collections with you any day. Hold on, I don't have time, cause I'd be here typing for several days.

I think I have an ear since I study music professionally. Even if it's classical music, I can tell whether a 4x4 juxtaposition of rhythm and melody sounds appealing to my ear.

The fact is that yes, Tiesto is way more wild and careless most of the time when it comes to precision beatmatching. but I don't know anyone in Dutch trancedom that is more creative or a more comprehensive artist and musician. His eclectic, radical sudden contrasts is what has always made Tiesto my favorite since the early Forbidden Paradise and Magik series almost a decade ago. His track placement is most of the time incredibly effective in the dancefloor, even if ithe transition would appear as irrational or ridiculous to a lot of people.

His own musical evolution has practically paved the way for what has accounted taste and variety in dancefloors all over the world. In strictly musical terms, I think there is no comparison from my point of view. Armin is alright, but he doesn't come even close in my books.

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Originally posted by torontotrance The fiancee would be the first in line, for killing a huge opportunity to make more coin and sell a CD to people who watched the olympics but did not see him live or know anything about his music.

There is a rumor that Dido sells cds for money.

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Originally posted by flavdave There is a rumor that Dido sells cds for money.

I assume you're waiting for a knock on your door, now?

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Note to bandwagoners: We all know you hate Tiësto, he can't mix and this is just another album to make money with... so just save it, OK? Now... This definitely looks interesting... haven't heard all those tunes yet but looks like a solid package. Edit: I was late, the retards beat me to it.

yeah dude your a tard if u think this a bandwagon thing. I have every Tiesto CD...mad signed shit...Tiesto Shirts...on and on. Maybe people miss the old tiesto who was humble and cared about his music, not his ego. He's fucking making Oakenfold look like a zit faced 8th grader when it comes to ego complex.

the bandwagon is the ppl like u who think this shit looks good and think all that tiesto touches is gold. kettle officially called black, Mr. Poopsicle

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Originally posted by Pio I think I have an ear since I study music professionally. Even if it's classical music, I can tell whether a 4x4 juxtaposition of rhythm and melody sounds appealing to my ear. The fact is that yes, Tiesto is way more wild and careless most of the time when it comes to precision beatmatching. but I don't know anyone in Dutch trancedom that is more creative or a more comprehensive artist and musician. His eclectic, radical sudden contrasts is what has always made Tiesto my favorite since the early Forbidden Paradise and Magik series almost a decade ago. His track placement is most of the time incredibly effective in the dancefloor, even if ithe transition would appear as irrational or ridiculous to a lot of people. His own musical evolution has practically paved the way for what has accounted taste and variety in dancefloors all over the world. In strictly musical terms, I think there is no comparison from my point of view. Armin is alright, but he doesn't come even close in my books.

I love the old Tiesto, and I like his track selection, programming and some of his production still. I just wish there was a trance dj out there that had both track selection/programming and technical merit. I'm not asking for tricks and scratching on trance, but how the hell is he not more technically sound after 10+ years mixing. I have every Forbidden Paradise and Magik cd there is, and, IMO, his mixing was, at least, better back then. I feel like he lost his passion and got sloppy. It's really disappointing. Armin is not the innovater that Tiesto is, but he's the closest thing to the combination of tracks and mixing that I am looking for. There are a whole lot of local dj's here in Colorado that are way better, but aren't likely to make it anywhere, because A) Denver is landlocked in the middle of the U.S. and B) The dj hiearchy is basically set with little room for newcomers. I'm not arguing that Tiesto doesn't have talent, but I wonder if his sloppiness comes from lack of ability or lack of heart. Anyway, I'm through with this, these guys are right.

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Originally posted by DiMethGuy yeah dude your a tard if u think this a bandwagon thing. I have every Tiesto CD...mad signed shit...Tiesto Shirts...on and on. Maybe people miss the old tiesto who was humble and cared about his music, not his ego. He's fucking making Oakenfold look like a zit faced 8th grader when it comes to ego complex. the bandwagon is the ppl like u who think this shit looks good and think all that tiesto touches is gold. kettle officially called black, Mr. Poopsicle

I second his opinion on Tiesto's ego. Testament to that is when my friend tried to tell him that he loved and respected his music and it had changed his life. Tiesto's reply? "Go fuck yourself". What the hell is wrong with some of these dj's and their ego. They forget that their fans are what drive them. Maybe he was having a bad day, but, seriously, have a little bit of respect for others.

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I love the old Tiesto, and I like his track selection, programming and some of his production still. I just wish there was a trance dj out there that had both track selection/programming and technical merit. I'm not asking for tricks and scratching on trance, but how the hell is he not more technically sound after 10+ years mixing. I have every Forbidden Paradise and Magik cd there is, and, IMO, his mixing was, at least, better back then. I feel like he lost his passion and got sloppy. It's really disappointing. Armin is not the innovater that Tiesto is, but he's the closest thing to the combination of tracks and mixing that I am looking for. There are a whole lot of local dj's here in Colorado that are way better, but aren't likely to make it anywhere, because A) Denver is landlocked in the middle of the U.S. and B) The dj hiearchy is basically set with little room for newcomers. I'm not arguing that Tiesto doesn't have talent, but I wonder if his sloppiness comes from lack of ability or lack of heart. Anyway, I'm through with this, these guys are right.

That's just your purist and reactionary assessment and I understand it. However, go get one of the Dance Department mixes from '98, the technique wasn't much better at all. Magik and FP were not live and were much more traditional, that's why we THINK he mixed better back then. Maybe he was more consistent and we heard fewer sets back then, but he is in essence the same artist. His ability and heart are very much inherent if you catch him at the right set. I 've seen Tiesto live over 20 times probably, I lost count. He can be hit or miss but when he hits there's no trance dj that can do what he does better. Hopefully Central Park in two weeks will be one of those historic sets.

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Originally posted by Nite-Mer I second his opinion on Tiesto's ego. Testament to that is when my friend tried to tell him that he loved and respected his music and it had changed his life. Tiesto's reply? "Go fuck yourself". What the hell is wrong with some of these dj's and their ego. They forget that their fans are what drive them. Maybe he was having a bad day, but, seriously, have a little bit of respect for others.

That doesn't sound like the Tijs Verwest I know at all. I Every time I've talked to him he's been very friendly and down to earth. Unless your friend was hitting on Monique or something I can't believe that.

I can't say I'm that mad on tiesto that much anymore but I think this release looks positive and really cool. 8 new tracks, the ones of which I've heard from that Olympic set and presumably some of these are the recent Tiesto ID's, all sounded great.

Making 1 new track for the Olympics would have been good, but setting about possibly making 8 (they might not have been all specifically for the olympics) isn't really the sign of someone who doesn't care about the music anymore.

I say fair play to him, this has deffinatley sparked my interest in Tijs again and I'm going to buy this.

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Originally posted by Pio That's just your purist and reactionary assessment and I understand it. However, go get one of the Dance Department mixes from '98, the technique wasn't much better at all. Magik and FP were not live and were much more traditional, that's why we THINK he mixed better back then. Maybe he was more consistent and we heard fewer sets back then, but he is in essence the same artist. His ability and heart are very much inherent if you catch him at the right set. I 've seen Tiesto live over 20 times probably, I lost count. He can be hit or miss but when he hits there's no trance dj that can do what he does better. Hopefully Central Park in two weeks will be one of those historic sets. That doesn't sound like the Tijs Verwest I know at all. I Every time I've talked to him he's been very friendly and down to earth. Unless your friend was hitting on Monique or something I can't believe that.

It's a close friend of mine, but maybe he came off wrong somehow or maybe Tijs was having a bad day, like I said. I doubt his girl was there, but you never know. And, you're right about the cd's vs. live sets. Tiesto - Live @ Energy 2000 used to be one of my favorites and I didn't hear the mistakes before I started mixing myself. It is fairly sloppy, so you're probably right. But I would think repetition for three/four more years would improve him more. Maybe it's an unfair expectation on my part. I know we're all human, but he seems more inconsistent than a lot of dj's with far less experience. I guess ear can't be taught though. It just has to be there. I just have a hypersensitive/critical ear myself, and if makes me hold dj's to a higher standard. That's why, for the most part, I prefer progressive dj's, that lock in their beats and are more consistent. As a trance and progressive dj, I don't think beat matching one is harder than the other. I think some of my comments get misinterpreted because I want it all. I'm not saying Tiesto is the worst dj out there, I just wish he were better. Maybe I just wish I never started spinning so I wouldn't hear all this stuff. Ignorance truly is bliss. I'm not saying you are ignorant either, I was before I started playing my own vinyl.

Yes but Dido never became a crap singer or put a half effort in, she could sell any CD she wanted really.

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Originally posted by Nite-Mer It's a close friend of mine, but maybe he came off wrong somehow or maybe Tijs was having a bad day, like I said. I doubt his girl was there, but you never know. And, you're right about the cd's vs. live sets. Tiesto - Live @ Energy 2000 used to be one of my favorites and I didn't hear the mistakes before I started mixing myself. It is fairly sloppy, so you're probably right. But I would think repetition for three/four more years would improve him more. Maybe it's an unfair expectation on my part. I know we're all human, but he seems more inconsistent than a lot of dj's with far less experience. I guess ear can't be taught though. It just has to be there. I just have a hypersensitive/critical ear myself, and if makes me hold dj's to a higher standard. That's why, for the most part, I prefer progressive dj's, that lock in their beats and are more consistent. As a trance and progressive dj, I don't think beat matching one is harder than the other. I think some of my comments get misinterpreted because I want it all. I'm not saying Tiesto is the worst dj out there, I just wish he were better. Maybe I just wish I never started spinning so I wouldn't hear all this stuff. Ignorance truly is bliss. I'm not saying you are ignorant either, I was before I started playing my own vinyl.

But I do play my own vinyl, and I'm 100% aware of what you're criticizing.

However, Energy 2000 is an excellent example for proving my personal point. Everyone knows that this set is a masterpiece. But yes, the mixing is rather sloppy and subpar if we take the critical approach you're taking. However, MUSICALLY speaking, the whole set is genius, brilliant, out of this world. Not for the mixing, but for the raw energy and euphoria that Tiesto constructed throught the harmonic and rhythmic development of the set. The rollercoaster of intensity and emotion expressed by mixing contrasts and the general programming in the set are actually pretty complex and electrifying from a musical standpoint and I doubt that Armin, Oakey, let alone an amateur dj could do something like it. There's NO dj on this earth that could have accomplished what he did on that set.

I'll give credit where it's due. In beatmatching and general technique PvD is far superior to Armin anyway. Not to speak of track selection and track placement, where Armin fails greatly to impress me as a musician while PvD and Tiesto are the leading experts of their respective movements in Holland and Germany.

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Originally posted by TJM Making 1 new track for the Olympics would have been good, but setting about possibly making 8 (they might not have been all specifically for the olympics) isn't really the sign of someone who doesn't care about the music anymore.

Actually, they were. Note the Olympic-esque names, and refer to the fact that the Olympic Committee were the ones who asked him to make these songs, not Tijs himself.

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Originally posted by Pio Hello there! Theme from Norjefell 2004 is mia. hahahahahahahahaha I missed TA for ridiculous comments like this one. So you're 16 years old and discovered trance two months ago? I thought the ASOT epidemic would have gone away by now, but I was wrong. Why can't people tell the really basic difference between a real artist with a trascendental impact on the history of 21st century music with a simple follower like Armin van Boring?

WHOAAAAA w0000000000t, whazzzz up

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Originally posted by DiMethGuy the bandwagon is the ppl like u who think this shit looks good and think all that tiesto touches is gold. kettle officially called black, Mr. Poopsicle

OMFG,

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Originally posted by Pio But I do play my own vinyl, and I'm 100% aware of what you're criticizing. However, Energy 2000 is an excellent example for proving my personal point. Everyone knows that this set is a masterpiece. But yes, the mixing is rather sloppy and subpar if we take the critical approach you're taking. However, MUSICALLY speaking, the whole set is genius, brilliant, out of this world. Not for the mixing, but for the raw energy and euphoria that Tiesto constructed throught the harmonic and rhythmic development of the set. The rollercoaster of intensity and emotion expressed by mixing contrasts and the general programming in the set are actually pretty complex and electrifying from a musical standpoint and I doubt that Armin, Oakey, let alone an amateur dj could do something like it. There's NO dj on this earth that could have accomplished what he did on that set. I'll give credit where it's due. In beatmatching and general technique PvD is far superior to Armin anyway. Not to speak of track selection and track placement, where Armin fails greatly to impress me as a musician while PvD and Tiesto are the leading experts of their respective movements in Holland and Germany.

I won't argue with that. It would have to be in my top five live sets, even with the errors. It is great music, non-stop. I'd love to give you some of my sets, and have you listen to them with an intent of ripping them apart. That's the only way to get better. But I spend a lot of time on programming and energy control before I record. That is something I have learned from Tiesto. It's not always the same, ie. I have sets that build start to finish, sets that build up then down, back and forth. Depends on the mood I am trying to accomplish. That is one thing I will not question Tiesto on, and I understand his popularity, based on that and the fact that 98-99 percent of his listeners aren't gonna notice the things I do. I guess I come off harsh, because I expect more. On the same token, I have never played the venues he has, in front of the amount of people he has. There is a chance that I would choke and sound just as sloppy. For some reason, I would like to find out though.

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Originally posted by Nite-Mer I won't argue with that. It would have to be in my top five live sets, even with the errors. It is great music, non-stop. I'd love to give you some of my sets, and have you listen to them with an intent of ripping them apart. That's the only way to get better. But I spend a lot of time on programming and energy control before I record. That is something I have learned from Tiesto. It's not always the same, ie. I have sets that build start to finish, sets that build up then down, back and forth. Depends on the mood I am trying to accomplish. That is one thing I will not question Tiesto on, and I understand his popularity, based on that and the fact that 98-99 percent of his listeners aren't gonna notice the things I do. I guess I come off harsh, because I expect more. On the same token, I have never played the venues he has, in front of the amount of people he has. There is a chance that I would choke and sound just as sloppy. For some reason, I would like to find out though.

Amidst all the Tijs-bashing, which I still feel needs to end, I do have to say... Well-said!

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