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Originally posted by Kris G Everything he has done for dance music perhaps? Discovered Ibiza? Started Perfecto? First DJ to open for a band, let alone U2?? Essential mixes for over ten years now?? Do i need to continue? He talks about giving up Trance DJing, as he says he has done it all... fair enough, he has! No one else can claim that. Man is a legend. Mixing might be getting worse due to ear-wear, but still, a legend. Check out Perfecto:Flouro or his 94 Goa set... or see how his Creamfields 2004 mix comp is praised as one of the best comps this year. G

So what? He may have a claim to fame, but lets be completely honest here:

When you trainwreck hard 7 times and do a stop-start mix 3 times in a 80 minute mix, it's time to hang up the headphones and quit DJ'ing. Either that, or chain yourself up behind a pair of decks and don't come out 'till you can mix decently. The fact that he gets flown across the world and is paid mad cash to DJ, and gets away with sets like that, is a complete embarassment and disgrace to all the truly great DJs out there struggling to make it.

I mean fuck, 80 minutes is the size of a demo CD - about 13-15 tracks. If he trainwrecked 7 and stop-started 3, that means that in his whole set he had 3-5 clean mixes and 10 shoddy ones - thats pretty sad for someone who's been DJ'ing for over a decade. His mixing was never completely stellar in the past, but at least it was relatively smooth. All this proves is that either a) he's senile, or b) he just doesn't give a fuck and would rather pocket the cash instead of actually trying.

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Originally posted by Boomer187 not caring equates into sucking for me. Who wants to see a dj that doesn't care. I had to see him mainly because I have not seen him before, and I doubt I will ever go see him again. Yes he did get a lot going for trance....however the past is past, the future is now. Its kinda like micheal jordan, he pwned basketball for a while and did great things for it, but even he finally retired from playing. Likewise I wouldn't mind if oakenfold stepped back from djin and kept producing. But that is just me and I know that don't mean shit. *edit**oh yea, since you guys are bringing up his sets and cds....another world pwned me for years....I still ove listening to thsoe cds. and forget carrying a lighter, a girl has to be more creative when picking me up than the ol lighter trick. ankle me or something.

Even though I will defend his influence on the scene, his released cd's aren't a testament to anything but his record selection. I heard he gives his tracks to a few sound engineers and tells them the order to computer produce the set in. I guarantee he doesn't mix the vinyl. Live he can be ok at times, but usually shoddy. I don't really hear a lot of sound trance dj's though. At least not headliners. They all seem to have lost their motivation to spin good sets, or can't spin good sets (technically that is).

alright, everyone here can agree Oakenfold is a legend.

But come on, the mixing is terrible, he has no more heart, poor track selection, and doesn't give a shit about the crowd anymore.

Yes he has done a lot for trance and we will always respect his name for that. But that doesn't justify what he's doing atm. When people vote for best DJ, you're not voting for best DJ 5 years ago...

Legend yes....but it doesn't make up for what he's doing now. Every time someone rightfully says that his mixing was terrible at such and such event, someone replies "BUT HE'S DONE SO MUCH FOR US" and it doesn't justify a horrible night!!!

damn i almost went to this 2, but i saw him the week before in cali, and he threw down, must have been an off night.

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Originally posted by Gordy damn i almost went to this 2, but i saw him the week before in cali, and he threw down, must have been an off night.

you could have gotten on the TV show they were shooting there.



Oakenfold was acting all wierd towards the cameras...it was funny.

Oakenwho?

Damn, 7 trainwrecks and 3 soldered transitions in 1.3 hour set. I have been mixing only for several month and I can do way better than that. lmao.

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Originally posted by 3xx3r7 Damn, 7 trainwrecks and 3 soldered transitions in 1.3 hour set. I have been mixing only for several month and I can do way better than that. lmao.

me too. I only mixed twice.

but for sure, I could do at least 9 trainwrecks.

yay me



I dunno. This is totally not the kind of report I'd expect. He's like the king or something.

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Originally posted by Boomer187 you could have gotten on the TV show they were shooting there. Oakenfold was acting all wierd towards the cameras...it was funny.

hahah, w3rd dood, im already going to be on it, me and my girlfriend were making out and they filmed us, made us sign all kinds of release papers and stuff.

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Originally posted by Boomer187 and I thought everyone was being hard on him saying he sucks at djin. well, they weren't exaggerating, he was the worst dj I ahve serious ever seen. heres some notes I made during his set (which he got on a little before 2am, and left a little after 3 am.....1 hour 20 mins max). the top count is noticable trainwrecks....these were all out of control ones. there were 7. the ones below that are when he plays a track until the end and then just started a new track.....that was 3 times (not including the first song of his set). this does give me hope that I can make it big one day, cause the set I threw down today was way better than his. hehe, no flow, no transitions, a lot of people just sat around doing nothing inbetween songs. anyways, I got hit on by a girl. she used the old 'do you have a lighter' line on me. and me being the non-smoker said negative. and that was that. so next time someone says, well oakie was big early on and got everyone into trance, you can say well he freakin sucks ass at mixing.

i freaken knew it!!!1 I told youse all but none of youse would listen. & now look!! the aliens are taking over the world. Good one oakenfield, youse talentless prostitute!

Oakie looks like what wihtout his makeup??? bald? ha!@

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Originally posted by Pete_B Whats even worse, how the hell did this guy end up being number one for 4 years or so????

actually, only 2 years. and its not like he's the only one who by some fluke got it 2 years in a row....*cough cough*

oakenfold went down hilla long time ago every once and a while hell put on an amazing show just so people can stand up for him when other peopel hate on him. but you see h exploited the market and is now laughing his ass off at everyone because of it. honestly tiesto,oakie,pvd,jules,armin all pretty much are horse shit now. every now and then theres an amazing set or something really wonderfull is done by one of them but for the most part it sucks. it sucks becuase they dont bother anymore they dont need to bother anymore as people that dont even know their face will goto a club to see them. do you relise how much of a trend that edm has become do you relise how many people listen to it and say they love it and that they allways go clubbing and have seen tons of names but still no nothing about it. its called trends its called some kids thought they were cool kus they went to a underground party back in 97 and someone thought they were cool kus their friend wenta nd it created a big trend that has now ruined many great things. oakenfold, tiesto, armin, pvd, jules, ferry, theyve all done great things in many ways but lets face it they are washed up. only thing is they arent washed up to the people taht dont live in the trend they are washed up to the people that know a shit. lets face it theres more people that follow trends then that lead. there are very VERY few artists in any genre that can hold an empire for 10years and 5years in still be as good as they were when they first got big. lets face it trends have killed everything, the fact that they can sell millions of rekkords just because of their name, its brillant i tell you froma buiness stand point but terrible from an end user standpoint. ive seen tiesto once in the past 12months and his set was utterly amazing but ill randomly listen toa live set and itll be shit and ill look at tracklists and they will suck. alot of it has tod o with what they wanna do that night, if they are paying attetion or if they are busy doing other shit no matter what it is. face it trendy people dont care about mixing technique or track selection all they care about is bragging to all their freinds how many times theyve seen the dj that everyone in their circle of friends think are cool. for a while one of my friends was dating a fob philipino chick and one day her and him and her sister and sisters friend and a bunch of our friends were going to a comedy club kus we had 15 free tickets, so they come over and were all chillen smoking some bud and opuim and shit and im totally fucked on xanx opuim and some damn fine bud and i get them all to smoke it thinking theyd calm down kus they were being all fobish so they get stoned and fucked and where at one of ym friends house chillen and they come into her room where im with a few otehr friends cutting up some more opuim to smoke and they all come in the room and we were listening to like just some random tracks on a cd and they all start dancing and trying to be all "raved" out and talking about how they wanted glowsticks and yeah it was quite funny and etertaining, but the point is that its a trend and untill people deicde to force good shit into the trend it will remain to be a shittie trend that willl ineveible die except for the small group that it started is. many genres are like this and it happens often.

Haha some one has great language skills there... paragraphs anyone?

You all seem to be so bitter. If you dont wanna see him DJ, dont go. Simple. The original vibe of dance music was peace, love and unity. Now all i hear is 'i'm better than *insert name*, i'm great blah blah blah. Some huge chips on shoulders going on around here. Get off your arse and promote yourself then, become the next big DJ... dont sit on TA and bitch all day, thats was 13 year olds do.

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naa it was tiesto and ferry that got me not oakenfold. and im not bitter at all im merely saying the truth. and no the orgnial wasnt peace love and unity that was a simple marketing concept some druggies came up with to sell shit at partys so they could buy drugs to keep them happy....... lol damn that was wrong ok ok but it was still a marketing technique and i blame trends and mass media for the sole demise of trance music. fuck it paragraphs dont need them your bitch ass can read so waht if theres no sexy looking 2 lines between every 4 sentences fuck it. fuck it fuck it fuck it hows that......... bottom line mass medi, trends, followers not leaders ruined people and their once good abilty to pick tracks. however maybe its gotten to the point where they are so big they cant get good tracks anymore as they get so many shit ones and so many daily that they cant allways play the best as they dont get it as soon as some of us people get them. ive heard tiesto play some wicked ass sets and ive herad pvd play some wickjed ass sets. ive herad oakenfold spin massive sets while he was sick with the flue. fuck peace love and unity and fuck glow sticks fuck beads fuck your mother

haha i dont sit on ta all day and bitch most the time im in the production fourms talking about production and learning and helping where i can. even tho this probly wasnt directed at me i had an urge to comment to you for the simple reason as you did not agree with anythign i stated nor did you have the right to make fun of the way i wrote or the way i choose not to grammer or spelling for that matter. plus your an easy target. no offense to you and ive taken none you just got the shti end of the stick on this response

I don't deny that he's had a huge impact on the scene, but what's at question here is his current DJing ability.

Hank Aaron is probably one of the greatest baseball players to ever exist, and is certainly a legend. But he's old and retired - if he were put on a major league team today, would his past accomplishments excuse him from the fact that he probably couldn't hit a single pitch?

I don't go to see a DJ spin just because to worship his legendary status. I go to see him throw down a wicked set. If he fucks up (especially on the magnitude of 10 fucked mixes in a 80 minute set), then there's really no justifying it.

What makes it worse on Oakie's part is that he has been around a damn long time and has proven that he can spin a lot better than this, so obviously he either just doesn't give a fuck and would rather milk the cash cow with half assed sets, or is seriously going off his rocker. The fact that a DJ (any DJ) is being paid as much as he must get, and is flown across the world every weekend to spin, and produces half assed sets like these is a real smack in the face to all the really great DJs struggling to make it.

Are you being serious?? And are you making the smackhead bit up?

Do you actually know anything about PvD? Don't make stupid assumptions like that because they arent true. In fact, could you possibly type that all out again in some kind of comprehensible way - i dont really understand your point, or why you brought the smack into it.

just y bloody luck that he starts sucking when the chances of me seeing him live are good.

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Originally posted by Nou That might be all and well, but you still wouldnt be here if not for him, trance would not be anything like it is now, and seeing that those two got into it a few years after trance really formed into the genre it has become today, their is no doubt that it had a major influence on them. Besides, Tiesto has alot to thank Oakenfold for, Oakey played Tiesto's remixe like crazy and promoted the hell out of his work.

we know this.


But the fact remains, Oakenfold is currently the most over-priced untalented DJ out there. He can't mix for shit.



I love his productions, and his CDs, but live, he is the worst thing ever.

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Originally posted by Boomer187 I love his productions, and his CDs, but live, he is the worst thing ever.

He doesnt produce, and he doesnt mix his CD's. The person you really like is called Andy Gray.

i brang the smack dowjn on all the major dj's and producers becuase its now to the point where tis true. you get half assed sets by major djs, shitting mixing shittie track selecton so on. its really not constant shit besides with oakenfold. my big complaint is the quliaty of their track selection, personally i refue to listen to armins asot anymore however if hes in town id pay 30bux to go see him becuase i know he plays good shit and technically is rather good at mixing. however tiesto i wont pay more then 20bux to see and oakie i wont pay to see, pvd and ferry id still pay 30bux to see just because ive not seen them as often as ive seen tiesto. but to be honest theres a whole new breed of djs coming up that are really great djs. so eh its called sucess and time it happens.

From my experiences seeing Van Dyk lately, who used to be IMO the most technically flawless trance dj, he has gone downhill. Not only have I been less pleased with his track selection, but his formerly flawless mixing has been anything but flawless. I have plenty of friends that were with me in July, the last time he played, that will substantiate that claim.

My other complaint is that he plays to many of his own tracks and too many similarly stiled tracks. I wouldn't mind hearing him play his work that is unreleased, but in three times in the last 8 months (2 in Denver, 1 in Miami), I heard "Crush" every time. I like the track and own the vinyl, but it is lame IMO to hear the same track in three sets over 8 months. Maybe if he played "Autumn", which I can't get on vinyl, I would be ok with it. Even then, I might not. I'm not saying he sucks, by any means. He's just not as good as he used to be, IMO. And that goes for both his production and his djing. It all seems more monotonous than it did.

accutally no what got tiesto and ferry big was the itnernet. when north america fianlly got the drift of the trance genre p2p networks were huge and typing in trance would give you tiesto and ferry. also tiestos been around for a long time long long time just not under the tiesto guise same with ferry and kai tracid has been aroudn even longer unles sim mistaken. the only reason oakenfold is as big as he is now is due to his marketing which i must admit was brillant. but for technical spinning they all suck now., not allways to the suck but majority of time its shit.

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Originally posted by Nite-Mer From my experiences seeing Van Dyk lately, who used to be IMO the most technically flawless trance dj, he has gone downhill. Not only have I been less pleased with his track selection, but his formerly flawless mixing has been anything but flawless. I have plenty of friends that were with me in July, the last time he played, that will substantiate that claim. My other complaint is that he plays to many of his own tracks and too many similarly stiled tracks. I wouldn't mind hearing him play his work that is unreleased, but in three times in the last 8 months (2 in Denver, 1 in Miami), I heard "Crush" every time. I like the track and own the vinyl, but it is lame IMO to hear the same track in three sets over 8 months. Maybe if he played "Autumn", which I can't get on vinyl, I would be ok with it. Even then, I might not. I'm not saying he sucks, by any means. He's just not as good as he used to be, IMO. And that goes for both his production and his djing. It all seems more monotonous than it did.

hrm... i'd actually like to defend pvd here. first of all, playing your own productions is nothing to be criticized about. its your own work of art, your own creation that you can be proud of. heck, once i get my own stuff completed i'll be playing it every set i can. secondly when pvd comes here to nyc and spins a 4-6 hour set, he will always fit in 70-100 tracks. if u do the math thats about 16 tracks for every hour he spins. if u think about it logically, he's not doing the typical armin or tiesto, mixing in and out at the beginnings and ends of the tracks. he's dropping tracks in almost constantly. i rarely ever see him just standing there and waving at the crowd and smiling. trying more difficult mixes etc. will equate to more mistakes. u are definitely correct about him and his track selection tho. imo, he rotates his tracks too slowly. it seems like he has similar tracks for at least half a year. however, i've seen some of his latest tracklistings and i can say its completely different from earlier this year. seems like he's moving sorta harder, darker, techier.

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if he slipped in "crush" along with another 70 tracks for that night. i wouldn't even remember it.

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Originally posted by trancinchink hrm... i'd actually like to defend pvd here. first of all, playing your own productions is nothing to be criticized about. its your own work of art, your own creation that you can be proud of. heck, once i get my own stuff completed i'll be playing it every set i can. secondly when pvd comes here to nyc and spins a 4-6 hour set, he will always fit in 70-100 tracks. if u do the math thats about 16 tracks for every hour he spins. if u think about it logically, he's not doing the typical armin or tiesto, mixing in and out at the beginnings and ends of the tracks. he's dropping tracks in almost constantly. i rarely ever see him just standing there and waving at the crowd and smiling. trying more difficult mixes etc. will equate to more mistakes. u are definitely correct about him and his track selection tho. imo, he rotates his tracks too slowly. it seems like he has similar tracks for at least half a year. however, i've seen some of his latest tracklistings and i can say its completely different from earlier this year. seems like he's moving sorta harder, darker, techier. *edit* if he slipped in "crush" along with another 70 tracks for that night. i wouldn't even remember it.

I'll say this. Other than using his tracks a lot last time, I was way more happy with the track selection. But what he made up in track selection, he surprisingly lacked in mixing. Maybe he was nervous about Red Rocks, but I highly doubt it. And I forgot, I saw him 4 times in that time span and heard it every time. At least he didn't play "Time of our Lives" this last time. I still think he has good points, but he plays tracks months after I have retired them from my repertoire and I'm a Denver local.

I wouldn't mind him dropping some of his tracks in a set. That's expected. I just don't wanna hear the same ones. Hell, hold some back from your cd if you wanna play them over and over again.

I opened this thread and anticipated some hardcore flaming, which is pretty much what has happened, but within those flames you guys made some valid points.

I did want to chime in with my opinion and give you some insight on a few things.

We all are in agreeance that Oakenfold was on top of his game for a long time. Sure within that time he had some bad nights, or bad essential mixes or maybe a bad mix cd. But in general, Oakenfold was worthy of respect in years past.

He has clearly lost alot of that passion and pride to be the best that he can be, and yes, maybe he should take some time off. Maybe he will find the love for the music again or wahtever. But I dont blame him for these gigs now. If anybody is to blame for this, its the promoters and clubs who want to make a fast buck. Everybody knows that all you have to do is shell out $40,000 (which alot of times is covered by Cigarette companies or Alcahol companies), have Oakenfold play at your club, and sit back and watch the cash registers spin. Hell if people are calling YOU and offering you that kind of loot, you would take it too. Even if you didnt know how to mix that well, you would still take the money. So what if you would be hurting the scene because you didnt know how to mix well, you would take it anyways. If you deny that, then you are a saint, and please PM me and I will hire you to work for me for free.

Another thing I want to bring up is about DJs tracklists when they go on the road. Markus Schulz just recently went to Europe for 6 weeks. During this time he played out of the same box every gig. Before he left he had to go through his box and take only the bare essentials, because you cannot take a huge record box on board an airplane. Sure you can stuff it full and try to check your record box, but most of the time your record box does not make it to its destination. Imagine arriving at the Ibiza airport at 6pm, with a gig that night, and the airline tells you that your box will be in on the first flight tomorrow morning. Not a good situation, therefore you have to carry your record bag on board. Getting new music to add to your playlist while on the road is also not very easy. Internet connections are very slow in hotels, and if you played a gig till 6am, and check out time at your hotel is noon, chances are you dont have much time to DL new music from your FTP. 6 weeks playing out of the same box would drive me crazy.

back to the main topic though, if you have pride in your work and you are still into it, then you will overcome obstacles, and if you are burnt out and dont care, it will show. But dont blame Oakie, if promoters werent interested in just making a quick buck, then Oakie would not be booked.

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