What is the best multi effect unit processor for trance?

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Posted by Limit on Sep-19-2004 08:12:

Very interesting stuff Thy..this is probably one of the best replys I've ever heard...I'm glad that their is at least one person who knows what they are talking about and arn't quick to judge.

Thanks for the great info.

Posted by Etherium on Sep-19-2004 14:41:

I wasn't judging Limit. I was just asking what soundcard you have. If you said Lynx 2 or something of its ilk I would have understood how it made a difference in the sound (that you hear).

Posted by Limit on Sep-19-2004 16:32:

well I understand...but for me a Delta 1010 with 10 ins and outs is enough for me. the A/D's are pretty good(their no Apogee's but hey thats just crazy expensive)...I was just simply stating that thier is a difference thats all. It may be subtle in some systems but that was my point.So its all cool no stress.

Posted by fieroavian on Sep-21-2004 15:13:

quote:
Originally posted by eladla
I have the Lexicon MPX100 and it has the same lexichip as the PCM91
so the reverb is the same and it`s awsome!!

Don't fool yourself.

Posted by mdulation on Sep-22-2004 14:52:

if you got that much cash and you are looking for a quality reverb i would reccomend trying to pick a used Lexicon 480L. its the big brother of the pcm 91 and 81 i bet you could find one in that price range used, it is seriously the best sounding reverb i have ever used. but if its delays and other fun stuff you seek then the eventide proabably won't dissapoint, maybe look into the eventide dsp 4000, or a eventtide h3000 or h3000s , have not really used any of the newer ones but the ones i named all really wicked, might find them used as well

Posted by Pappa on Sep-22-2004 15:31:

quote:
Originally posted by mdulation
if you got that much cash and you are looking for a quality reverb i would reccomend trying to pick a used Lexicon 480L. its the big brother of the pcm 91 and 81 i bet you could find one in that price range used, it is seriously the best sounding reverb i have ever used. but if its delays and other fun stuff you seek then the eventide proabably won't dissapoint, maybe look into the eventide dsp 4000, or a eventtide h3000 or h3000s , have not really used any of the newer ones but the ones i named all really wicked, might find them used as well

Has anyone really used the TC D'Two one? I see one on Ebay for $299, and really wonder if it's worth it, or spend a lil more on a better Delay? Altho this Delay has Filter and Rythm Tap.

Pappa

Posted by mdulation on Sep-22-2004 15:41:

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Originally posted by Pappa
Has anyone really used the TC D'Two one? I see one on Ebay for $299, and really wonder if it's worth it, or spend a lil more on a better Delay? Altho this Delay has Filter and Rythm Tap.

Pappa

never used the d two but i have heard good things, but i use the m2000 which is pretty awsome

Posted by Limit on Sep-22-2004 22:35:

I don't own one myself but I know a few people that have em and they say that the D-Two is the ultimate in delays...some even have more than one unit. They have been trying to get me to buy one for ages but I just don't have the money.

Posted by Pappa on Sep-23-2004 02:55:

D-Two

Well, I just won me a D-Two on Ebay for $299.00 US. So, hopefully it's a good deal and a good Delay..

I took most of ya's word for it, and bidded.

Posted by Limit on Sep-23-2004 16:04:

you can't really ask for more when it comes to a delay unit...the only thing that might be missing from this unit(and it couold be in there, I don;t know?) is analog tape delay..but thats no big deal. i think you will be very happy with the unit. Let us know when you get it.

Posted by Pappa on Sep-23-2004 18:37:

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Originally posted by Limit
you can't really ask for more when it comes to a delay unit...the only thing that might be missing from this unit(and it couold be in there, I don;t know?) is analog tape delay..but thats no big deal. i think you will be very happy with the unit. Let us know when you get it.

What kinda delay is " Analog Tape Delay " what's it sound like, and why do you mention it, just curious?

Will let you guys know how it sounds when it comes in.

Posted by Dj Thy on Sep-23-2004 19:32:

Well analog tape delay is the "original" form of delay that was used creatively.

A standard analog tape recorder has three heads : a play head, a record head and an eraser head. The thing is, they are not at the same physical position. The record head records first, then the play head reads what was just recorded (I'm not talking about the professional tape recorders which have special sync heads to be able to do punch in punch outs). So basically, if you would listen to what you send to the recorder (the musician playing live for example), and together with the output of the tape recorder (in repro mode, meaning you listen from the play head), you would hear the recorded sound a little later.

Now, in a mix, when you wanted a simple tap as a delay, it was easy to do, you connected an aux send to the tape recorder, and returned the tape recorder output to a free channel (or an aux return). When you wanted a sound to have a singly echo for example, you just opened the corresponding aux.

This delay is fix, and determined mainly by the spacing between the heads, and the speed at which the tape is spinning.
One day, some guys experimented, and pretty crazy stuff happened. They figured out that for changing the delay time, you just needed to lengthen the distance between the record and play head. In the early day's this was done with microphone stands! They just passed the tape through two or three mic stands (used as guides), and then back to the tape recorder.
If you want more than one tap, it's simple, you just manage to get the delay back to the record head. Simplest method is to open the corresponding aux on the channel you returned the tape output too, but be careful for nasty feedback... Up to this day, the SSL 4000 consoles still have a SPIN button on their aux returns, dedicated to adjust delay feedback. Some fun stuff can be done by eq'ing the return channel, to make a delay go towards a certain note for example.

Later on, you could find dedicated tape delays with several play heads, one for each tap.

But what's so special about tape delay? First, the tape speed is not always constant, so the delays will change accordingly. But most important, the tape you record to doesn't have a linear response. It will color the sound. Caracteristic here is usually a little loss of high frequency on each tap.
You could say it's easy to recreate with digital/plugin delays. But tape is more erratic in its behaviour, so it still has a rather unique sound.

The most well known tape delays are the Watkins Copycat (I actually used one last Sunday, and damn it's funny), and the Roland Space Echo, which functions with cassettes.

BTW, if you ever find the TC 2290 for a decent price, don't hesitate. It's been an industry standard in pro studio's for years (if I think about it, I haven't seen any major studio yet that doesn't have it...). But it's pricetag is usually beyond the budget of a home studyist.

Posted by Pappa on Sep-23-2004 21:36:

DJ Thy,

Very cool, on the tape delay deal, little bit of history and inovated to use the Tape Heads's to create the delay.. I'll keep an eye out for the TC 2290, Have you used this D-Two yet?

If so what are you thoughts as well.

Thanks

Pappa

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