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Originally posted by itsTrueSonic dell or self - built?? to tell you the truth, both are the same thing, it's just that dell puts their name on it, and everyone "believes" that it is better than self-built.

No one believes manufacturer direct computers are better than custom built. However, there is a misconception that self built computers are cheaper than manufacturer direct computers. In the past, that use to be the case but in the present day, manufacturer direct computers have certainly made their manufacturing process cheaper and as you can see, their prices have dropped significantly. I have had 4 self-built computers before I decided to purchase a skeleton Dell PC, which I later customized. The advantage I get is a warranty that is offered free and less hassle for the same price I would get for a self-built computer.

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the only BIGGEST difference between dell and custom computers are that custom computers offer A LOT of space for expansion (such as PCI slots for more sound cards, video cards, Ethernet cards, etc cards that may come out) .. dell gives you a limited amount of space .. also custom computers are more flashy, like those neon lights on the side,

Jamie never specified she likes the bells and whistles but they cost money. I had the impression her budget was tight so I suggested a system that has everything she wants and then-some for a special well within her budget. I believe her system has room for an APG card and 4, maybe 5 PCI slots she can purchase later on. As for the neon... give me a break.

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if you like that, and also offer a coolant agent inside your computer, to prevent your computer from overburning .. dell does not have that, because they want your computer to overburn, so you can buy their extended warranty .. hmmm...

All the special coolants are only necessary when you overdrive your CPU. Unless Slylee lives in a sauna, her pre-made computer will work longer than she will want to keep it. The comment about the warranty is simply ridiculous. All electronics companies and re-sellers offer warranties. Does that imply all these manufacturers made their product for a short life? NO! Dell, like most companies, have warranties so the paranoid will buy them and they can earn extra money for doing nothing. If Dell's computers were as cheaply made as you suggest, they would not be making any profit because of the cost to repair all these broken computers. I'm no Dell evangelist but they have become the world's #1 computer manufacturer based on reliably and smart business decisions.

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Originally posted by Scottaculous Unless Slylee lives in a sauna, her pre-made computer will work longer than she will want to keep it.

hey, are you forgetting that i live in south florida?


i appreciate all your input...i DO like all the cool, pretty gagits that you can add to your pc to make it look cool, but you are right, i am only looking for something cheap now, but also something that i could upgrade later...

*edit* and most importantly, something reliable. i just want to be able to download music, burn cds, do school work on, surf the web...nothing seriously fancy, you know...

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Originally posted by Slylee hey, are you forgetting that i live in south florida? i appreciate all your input...i DO like all the cool, pretty gagits that you can add to your pc to make it look cool, but you are right, i am only looking for something cheap now, but also something that i could upgrade later...

do what I did. GO play craps with zewad for a weekend and spend the winnings on computer. hehe

actually, i was gonna use all the money i make from sellin ur mom crack this week

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Originally posted by Slylee actually, i was gonna use all the money i make from sellin ur mom crack this week

ha, it was really Ajax glued into lil rocks.



all your friends got pwned by mah moms fake crack.

Get a Laptop!

www.emachines.com

$239

AMD Duron 1.8Ghz or Intel Celeron 1.7Ghz

256MB OR 512MB* DDR Memory for $40 more

40GB Hard Drive(7200RPM)

52X CDRW

� Onboard AGP (Up to 32 MB)

� Sound & Game Adaptor, Built-in LAN Module,

�52X CDRW (Yes CDRW Included),

� 1.44MB Floppy Disk Drive,

� Med Tower ATX Case, 300W UL/CE approved ATX power supply.

� System Fully Assembled, Monitor, Software and Its Configuration Sold Separately

I can get this locally for you and ship it through my work for abour $15

I can load XP Pro and Office XP on it for ya.

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Originally posted by xKaoSx $239 AMD Duron 1.8Ghz or Intel Celeron 1.7Ghz 256MB OR 512MB* DDR Memory for $40 more 40GB Hard Drive(7200RPM) 52X CDRW � Onboard AGP (Up to 32 MB) � Sound & Game Adaptor, Built-in LAN Module, �52X CDRW (Yes CDRW Included), � 1.44MB Floppy Disk Drive, � Med Tower ATX Case, 300W UL/CE approved ATX power supply. � System Fully Assembled, Monitor, Software and Its Configuration Sold Separately I can get this locally for you and ship it through my work for abour $15 I can load XP Pro and Office XP on it for ya.

buy a huge hard drive and put it in and this would be a sweet deal.

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Originally posted by Scottaculous No one believes manufacturer direct computers are better than custom built. However, there is a misconception that self built computers ..... Jamie never specified she likes the bells and whistles but they cost money..... All the special coolants are only necessary when you overdrive your CPU. Unless Slylee lives in a sauna, her pre-made computer will work longer than she will want to keep it. The comment about the warranty ...

you make some good points dude ... you are right that big companies have "finally" figured the point about self-builts, and lowered their prices .. but i still think she should go for cases with like 6 - 8 PCI slots, rather than like 4 or 5 (the usual for Dell pcs) ..

and everyone goes for the fancy neon gadgets .. how come everyone talks about the alien pcs .. the one that says it is built just for gaming .. they do have some tight specs inside their pcs .. but they have the neon glowing stuff on their cases .. these "bells and whistles" don't really cost much .. i think they're mostly under $20. .the last time i checked ..

also, i think there should be a study about a pc's lifetime in a specific location .. i swear the percentages would be high, if one had a computer in the deep south (florida, texas, louisiana, arizona) rather than in somewhere like california, new york, washington, etc ... i think also humidity in the air plays a big factor in a pc's lifetime..

also, she can go for a smaller hard drive with a custom built (say like 40 GB) with a smaller RPm (say like 5400), since she says she doesn't need something too big .. and also, with custom pcs, you have the flexibility of gettings more RAM slots, so you can exapnd in the future, let's say if Windows requires more than 2 gigs of RAM (don't say it's possible, because it could be true..)

but in my opinion, i would go for one of those bigger cases, so i can stuff more internal hard drives inside for the future .. you can never have "enough" storage .. if you know what i mean ..

xkaos: deal! i'm assuming that's a good deal? lol i'm PM-ing you.

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Originally posted by xKaoSx $239 AMD Duron 1.8Ghz or Intel Celeron 1.7Ghz 256MB OR 512MB* DDR Memory for $40 more 40GB Hard Drive(7200RPM) 52X CDRW � Onboard AGP (Up to 32 MB) � Sound & Game Adaptor, Built-in LAN Module, �52X CDRW (Yes CDRW Included), � 1.44MB Floppy Disk Drive, � Med Tower ATX Case, 300W UL/CE approved ATX power supply. � System Fully Assembled, Monitor, Software and Its Configuration Sold Separately I can get this locally for you and ship it through my work for abour $15 I can load XP Pro and Office XP on it for ya.

^^^ listen to this dude .. this is a good price ..

but you can save the money by not giving her the floppy drive, and rather give her a USB key for approximately the same price .. and stores bigger information and can be faster (USB vs IDE ???)

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Originally posted by itsTrueSonic ^^^ listen to this dude .. this is a good price .. but you can save the money by not giving her the floppy drive, and rather give her a USB key for approximately the same price .. and stores bigger information and can be faster (USB vs IDE ???)

Girls need floppy drives for some reason.


I just bought above computer for my mom and it works great.
Nothing fancy but definitely not a dog.

And it's separate parts- not a crap dell where if the modem dies you have to buy a whole new motherboard.

The Dell deal is a good deal, because it's a high quality processor and most of what you need. I wouldn't get a Duron or anything less than an Athlon in AMD. I also wouldn't recommend a Celeron. But it just depends on what you want. I would go with Dell over us though. We have better quality components on the overall, but that's way more affordable than we are likely to do. The other one with the Duron or Celeron is a good deal, but you get what you pay for. Celeron's and Duron's are the processors that don't meet specs or have flaws. In essence they are the low end for each manufacturer.

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Originally posted by Nite-Mer The Dell deal is a good deal, because it's a high quality processor and most of what you need. I wouldn't get a Duron or anything less than an Athlon in AMD. I also wouldn't recommend a Celeron. But it just depends on what you want. I would go with Dell over us though. We have better quality components on the overall, but that's way more affordable than we are likely to do. The other one with the Duron or Celeron is a good deal, but you get what you pay for. Celeron's and Duron's are the processors that don't meet specs or have flaws. In essence they are the low end for each manufacturer.

winamp is the most processor intensive program she'll be using



plus celerons have gotten better over the past few years. I hear less complaints from friends who have em as of late.

I have a Celeron too. A friend built me a computer for free. I would definitely prefer to have Intel on Intel though with a P4. I would definitely pick the Celeron over the Duron though. What kind of motherboard does that one come with? Asus or Abit?

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Originally posted by Boomer187 winamp is the most processor intensive program she'll be using plus celerons have gotten better over the past few years. I hear less complaints from friends who have em as of late.

oh contrare dude ...

that will not be the most intensive program ..

a web script with a recursional function call every 2 seconds will be the shiznit of cpu intensivity ! not if windows doesn't pick it up before you do ..

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Originally posted by itsTrueSonic oh contrare dude ... that will not be the most intensive program .. a web script with a recursional function call every 2 seconds will be the shiznit of cpu intensivity ! not if windows doesn't pick it up before you do ..

OMFGmycpuDIES!!!!!!!!1111///

one thing ive learned from asking for computer advice is everyones opinion is different. everyone has different ideas, different preferenes, and will all provide different PC's to suit ur needs. When u dont know alot about what u asking for advice on, looking at conflicting opinions and different PC Specs will drive u insane.

i know alot myself now, but before i did i found someone who i knew knew their shit and stuck with them, asking publically on issues that have such a wide opinion only leads to headaches.

tho ill give my 2 cents on self built vs. manufacture. Manufacture offer lots for little money, but as said above, it depends what quality u want ur equipment. If u anaylze the quality of the components, you'll probably find theyre not as good as u could have. Yea, the processer will be fast, it'll have a DVD drive, lots of things, but are they good?

For one example memory latency, this is a quality of the memory, u can have different latancy's, but still 256DDR, which is what the spec will say, 256DDR, not the latency, tho its very important. A hardcore gamer will buy expensive 256DDR, where as someone who just uses word will buy cheep 256DDR, alot difference in price, alot difference in quality, but on the paper, the same product.

it all depends on what u want ur computer to do and how much u want to spend.

tho id try and stick with someone you know fairly well and who can guide you, no offense to the people here but with so many different opnions you'll get pulled in each and every direction.

me personally, would go for a self built. tho im a very dis-trusting person, and like to know for myself whats going on.

Well-
I do computer support for a living and 15 years of computer experience- I think I know what im talking about.

Yes- I personally would not get it for myself- only for the reason I play games and stuff.

I have a p4 2.8 with a gig memory and a radeon 9800 pro.

I know exactly what she needs it for and it will be plenty.

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Originally posted by xKaoSx Well- I do computer support for a living and 15 years of computer experience- I think I know what im talking about. Yes- I personally would not get it for myself- only for the reason I play games and stuff. I have a p4 2.8 with a gig memory and a radeon 9800 pro. I know exactly what she needs it for and it will be plenty.

It'd probably be good enough, but the Dell might not be bad either. Pretty cheap for the specs included. I could have something built for her at my work, but I am sure it will be more expensive than those deals. What kind of board is it?

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Originally posted by Nite-Mer It'd probably be good enough, but the Dell might not be bad either. Pretty cheap for the specs included. I could have something built for her at my work, but I am sure it will be more expensive than those deals. What kind of board is it?

I think MSI or ECS- nothing spectacular.

The deal xKaoSx is fine for websurfing, downloading, burning cds, wordproccessing etc. It's nothing fancy and is pretty much intended for you purposes. The Dell deal also looks okay, but it doesn't include a monitor. I wouldn't worry about trying to save money on not including a floppy since a floppy drive only costs like $10.

dont get a dell: get a geek friend to make one for you

mp3s and pr0n computer inc monitor etc shouldnt cost more than say $1200, thats with a 200gb hdd

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Originally posted by xKaoSx Well- I do computer support for a living and 15 years of computer experience- I think I know what im talking about. Yes- I personally would not get it for myself- only for the reason I play games and stuff. I have a p4 2.8 with a gig memory and a radeon 9800 pro. I know exactly what she needs it for and it will be plenty.

im not saying u dont, and that machine would be more than enough to suit her needs. im just saying that if she listens to everyone, she wont know what to do coz of so many different opinions, it'd be best to stick with one person.

imo.

Pc

Well I am a PC-Tech. I suggest *Looking on Ebay* I got my best-friend a

GATEWAY
1.Ghz
340 Megs Of Ram
32MB Video Card
I belive a 40gig Hard Drive (or 60) I forgot.
CD-Drive/CDR

Total Price inculding shipping. $211.00

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