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Originally posted by hadi ****** New Forum Ideas New Unreleased Tracks Discussion Artists Information Forum Internet Radio Promotion Mods More Mods: Mods also have lives too and cannot moderate the forums all day long as they have other stuff to do. I would mod as i do spend considerable time on the forums and such and i think i know the rules well enough to help out with that I know mods cannot be too strict, but usually public examples of people do not work as well as perhaps a private message asking a user to correct something he has been doing in a polite pm without trying to prove that you (the mod) is the boss and have a powertrip or whatever i have more ideas, just cant remember them right now, but yea, i hope some of them can be considered -Hadi

i can't agree more !! specially the artists information forum and internet radio promotion !! it's time to create these sub-forums

Excellent thread, i have to agree with you and i can already see this after being on TA for just under a year.

The New Releases forum DEFINITELY has to get cleaned up. The number of threads with people creaming their pants over the latest track they hear on the radio or on an mp3 is ridiculous.

I definitely think there needs to be more MODS, and there are plenty of knowledgeable users around who come here often enough to do the job.

It is great that people have enthusiasm for trance. That is what brought them here in the first place. However, the forum can be greatly improved by implementing some of the suggestions mentioned earlier in this thread.

The Amateur Producers Forum and the regional forums are great, and there is also some great Music Discussion. The New Releases is good for hearing about the latest tracks and reading reviews, particularly when tracks get released in Europe before they are available here in Australia. There are still a lot of great things about the forums.

We really do need to clean things up a bit though. Swamper can't do it all....i'm sure he is a very busy guy.


Please keep this thread going.....

It's the cost of being one of the biggest messageboards on the web.
When a messageboard grows as much as TA has, it will obviously draw in those who are in it purely to exploit it for their own financial/artistic purposes, people who think TA is their very own playground etc. etc. Not much that can be done about it really.

As much as I can understand what you're saying there Jan, I think it's the wrong attitude to have about it, the only way the forums will improve is if the people who treasure them most put a lot of effort in themselves to make it a better place, we could sit here complaining all week but i'd rather try to make it a better place and fail to do so than just sit back and quit the forum or something

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Originally posted by Ian^ As much as I can understand what you're saying there Jan, I think it's the wrong attitude to have about it, the only way the forums will improve is if the people who treasure them most put a lot of effort in themselves to make it a better place, we could sit here complaining all week but i'd rather try to make it a better place and fail to do so than just sit back and quit the forum or something

True, but what can you do? Campaign for a change of mentality to posting? Excluding members who aren't contributing "properly"? Ban promotional posts? Regardless of what you might try, this problem won't go away when TA is as big as it is now. You can of course be up front as a good example of how to post, but beyond that I fail to see what sort of action that'll resolve the issue. It's just something you have to live with to a certain extent.

*flush out (delete the account) members who haven't posted in 6 months
*flush out members who's COR post count exceeds their total posts in every other forum <-- this is the biggest annoying thing on TA these days.
*have a dedicated promotion forum, ban it from every other forum.
*have a favourites forum i.e. best track of 1999, longest track ever etc.
*more mods
*no more thread titles like "OMG I DIE", they should be more descriptive and informative wherever possible.


etc etc

again in agreement

Hopefully we can pick some of these points out and put them to Del, will be interesting for the respected users to put the points forward in a suggestion and for del to gauge our feelings on things.

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Originally posted by Nell *flush out (delete the account) members who haven't posted in 6 months

So if someone is without internet for half a year, yet have been one of the most active and helpful members around, they should still lose their account?

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*flush out members who's COR post count exceeds their total posts in every other forum <-- this is the biggest annoying thing on TA these days.

This is assuming that everybody with bigger COR post count are just spamming about posting nothing but complete nonsense. While this is true in some cases, it certainly doesn't apply to everyone.

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*have a dedicated promotion forum, ban it from every other forum.

Not gonna work. The spammers will still be around in other forums regardless.

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*have a favourites forum i.e. best track of 1999, longest track ever etc.

Could work, but unless there is a proper definition at each forum of what's going in there and what's not, we'd just have the same problems here as with new releases/MD. "Best track of 1999" is just as much music discussion as anything else in that forum.

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*more mods

Or, certain mods could start being a bit more active.

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Originally posted by Nell *flush out (delete the account) members who haven't posted in 6 months *flush out members who's COR post count exceeds their total posts in every other forum <-- this is the biggest annoying thing on TA these days.

Some people like Seventil have been away due to unavoidable circumstances. They shouldn't be punished for this. As for COR post count, isn't, what has that got to do with anything? I for one rarely post in the music discussion forum because its like navigating a minefield. The flamers there are really harsh. I can understand if repetetive threads annoy some people. A simple post that there's an old thread available should suffice. No need to rip the thread starter a new one. Also, these posters might be new to trance or a specific artist. To cite an example, I only started getting into american djs and prog trance about the same time i joined even tho iwas already a Holden fan. I made a genuine post requesting info on markus schulz, and how his much his music really moved me. I got flamed to high heaven, but no clarification was supplied i was just labeled a 'stupid noob' He may have been old news to most people on this forum , but not to me. I'd hate to think that the same thing would have happened back in 94 when i first started listening to trance. Would i be made fun off because i didn't know the complete history and discog of Brian Tresnau at the time?
I'd hate to think that we were convincing people that rance was elitist, or that tranceaddicts were stupid petty people. I have always maintaned that trance fans are some of the most intelligent people i meet. It would be terrible if we were turning people off trance by these attitudes. Its discouraging when threads labelled 'Trance Is Dead' reach three pages, but my request for info on james lavelle receives brief replies from those who only know as much as i do. Where were the elitists then?

have a forum for free ipods

we defenitely need more mods. the amount of mods here has been the same since i joined 2.5 years ago

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Originally posted by tranceaholic have a forum for free ipods we defenitely need more mods. the amount of mods here has been the same since i joined 2.5 years ago

actually with the loss of infinity, jddark, tempestrip, w1cked red & rainbowbrite, it's decreased, though we've got some more local forum mods

Give me more power!




No seriously I agree with much of what a lot of people are saying in this thread, but in all honesty there's really nothing you can do to stop it outside of banning the people who just come on to spam, but then 10 minutes later someone will be doing it again.

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Originally posted by UWM Give me more power! No seriously I agree with much of what a lot of people are saying in this thread, but in all honesty there's really nothing you can do to stop it outside of banning the people who just come on to spam, but then 10 minutes later someone will be doing it again.

i guess so

on a side note tho, the newer threads in the muisc discussion forum, have actually had constructive replies. maybe there's still hope..

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Originally posted by Nell *flush out members who's COR post count exceeds their total posts in every other forum <-- this is the biggest annoying thing on TA these days.

i have more CORe posts than regular posts...actually right now its probably 50-50 ish...does that mean i should be banned? i don't think so. what it means is that the rest of the board has gone to hell and i'm not as interested in posting my thoughts on music as often because i just have to deal with all the crap in return. i still post in MD though...quite regularly...

If Nell wasnt joking, it still wasnt funny.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller i don't think so.

I do.

Seriously though, Hadi brings up a decent point about a forum for New Unreleased Tracks Discussion, but shouldn't that type of thread be kept to the Music Discussion forum?

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Originally posted by Fundamental I do.

well...it's settled then...someone ban me

Consider it done.

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Originally posted by UWM Consider it done.

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Originally posted by UWM Consider it done.

yay!



well i asked swamper once to bring more mods, he said strongly No..

Thing is about moderators, i see Arturo on each section as mod, but i hardly see the dude... not that i dislike you Arti . But an example, There should be active mods on each section and it should be people that have experience with the subject of the section.

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper So if someone is without internet for half a year, yet have been one of the most active and helpful members around, they should still lose their account? This is assuming that everybody with bigger COR post count are just spamming about posting nothing but complete nonsense. While this is true in some cases, it certainly doesn't apply to everyone.

yeah but how hard is it to create a new account if you make a return, or is keeping your post count that important to you. seriously if it is, you shouldn't be here. In fact, that's another suggestion.. plz let everyone have 'custom status' straight away so we dont have multiple uslees posts in the good forums. There's far too many younge rmembers who really care what it says under their user name.

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper Not gonna work. The spammers will still be around in other forums regardless.

You could say that about any of the existing rules. Rules always get broken. Make it a rule, then if there are enough mods who can move or delete the offending threads.

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper Could work, but unless there is a proper definition at each forum of what's going in there and what's not, we'd just have the same problems here as with new releases/MD. "Best track of 1999" is just as much music discussion as anything else in that forum.

Ok, maybe not. BUT, there are far too many re-occuring threads these days, it's just annoying- i guess we'll have to live with it.

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper Or, certain mods could start being a bit more active.

couldn't agree more

I can't help but think alot of the mods pussy out on closing and deleting stuff (unlike neo) because they are afraid about their reputation (see neo's fame with alot of people). if thre were seperate mod accounts made with no identity attached, that could help?.. i don't know, it's a suggestion.

Re: Has TA become a huge Self-Promotion site rather than a message board ?

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Originally posted by Ian^ I know some people will moan for what I'm saying, but If they don't like it they can just respect my freedom to speech, it's something I've noticed a lot of lately & wanted to know if i was the only one... So Many threads like x dj playing on yyy radio markus schulz this (insert dj name) sucks now armin that Ozgur Can this Probspot that new radio station that will just play the same old sets and sounds as all the others prog house rocks now trance sucks download my mix which is full of tunes I've made my own edits of my aunties pet goat is playing in 10 days on (insert radio here) and I wanted to make sure you're tired of me talking about it before you get there. listen to my tune and help me get signed just use discogs trance is dead trance is back trance is dead again omfggggggggggggg im going to talk about a song that's not even out yet cos I got it on mp3 just to name some. It seems to me that TA which used to be an amazing board for having a large number of very knowledgeable and appreciative music fans has just become a place to argue or publicise someone and their projects, and I think it's a shame, as now you ask about a tune and you get old to use discogs, which yes is a great resource, but in the past we'd have been able to talk about the particular track and have lots of opinions respected where now there's just so many trolls. So am I the only one who sees this happening or Am I being paranoid ?

No it's not happening at all. You are paranoid, but check out my new cd on my website www.mynewcd.com.

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Originally posted by Fundamental

Damn, don't ban FundeMentaL!!! Are you insane? This thread is insane. Since when does anyone care what is posted in a free forum (of course minus private body parts and crude language which have banned me several times in the past)? Quit your whining and post something new we can talk about instead of your bitching. For instance, why we ought to move the UN to Paris, France.


[[[smoke]]]

Micah ft Jaidene Veda - Come From (Nick & Jon Dalagelis Mix)

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Originally posted by Nell yeah but how hard is it to create a new account if you make a return, or is keeping your post count that important to you. seriously if it is, you shouldn't be here.

That's not the point. The point is that with the kind of rule you proposed, everyone who doesn't post within 6 months is branded as a leecher or someone else who doesn't contribute to the forums enough, and thus should lose their account. There is no way you can make that call simply based on the fact that they haven't posted for 6 months.

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Originally posted by smokeape Damn, don't ban FundeMentaL!!! Are you insane? This thread is insane. Since when does anyone care what is posted in a free forum (of course minus private body parts and crude language which have banned me several times in the past)? Quit your whining and post something new we can talk about instead of your bitching. For instance, why we ought to move the UN to Paris, France. [[[smoke]]] Micah ft Jaidene Veda - Come From (Nick & Jon Dalagelis Mix)

That you don't care does not suprise me at all..

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