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yay for wicked neo, gotta love a mod who's on top of situations

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Originally posted by ambs yay for wicked neo, gotta love a mod who's on top of situations

aye *claps for Wikked One

What a bonehead move using a rip of a yet to be released tune to promote yourself on a forum where many of the artists probably lurk even if they aren't registered members.

does max graham now have nothing better to do than trawl the internet looking for illegal mp3's...

This sort of thing is going to happen, just accept it.

Im not condoning ripping/ reconstructing tracks as im sure its very irritating for the artist but it will happen and there isnt too much that can be done about it.

Coming on and boasting about how you 'got him' is just as sad imo.

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Originally posted by Wicked Neo its not the fact he mixes with mp3, its the fact that he used an illegal rip of max's new track thats not even been released yet, makes it pretty obvious the guy in this case has either cut the track out of a live set or has obtained it from elsewhere illegaly! Max knows who the promo's went to and the guy who did this mix was not one of them.

i definately agree that the problem is playing a track he didn't get legally, then recording it & sending it to people. But this is all caused by ripping tracks to the net, since he obviousely did not obtain a promo vinyl/cd, and the label/max did not send it to him. If you have a legal mp3 and feel like playing go for it.

shit like that sucks...

Just a note to Neo or anyone who mods the amateur dj's forum, Neos post warning him of suspension still contains the link within the quote.

you might want to get rid of that

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Originally posted by Laushinameee does max graham now have nothing better to do than trawl the internet looking for illegal mp3's... This sort of thing is going to happen, just accept it. Im not condoning ripping/ reconstructing tracks as im sure its very irritating for the artist but it will happen and there isnt too much that can be done about it. Coming on and boasting about how you 'got him' is just as sad imo.

if you apply the same logic, then i can quite happily steal your car or burgle your home, that sort of thing is going to happen, just accept it . . . does not make it right thou (yes i know u said u dont condone it but look at it from both sides).

we have police forces who try to prevent others stealing your property or catch those that have, members of the public help the police out, so apply the same logic again, max and the riaa for example have a valid reason for preventing the use of illegal mp3.

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Originally posted by Laushinameee does max graham now have nothing better to do than trawl the internet looking for illegal mp3's... This sort of thing is going to happen, just accept it. Im not condoning ripping/ reconstructing tracks as im sure its very irritating for the artist but it will happen and there isnt too much that can be done about it. Coming on and boasting about how you 'got him' is just as sad imo.

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Originally posted by Frase no doubt soon this thread will blame it all on Max

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Originally posted by AndskiSpeed Just a note to Neo or anyone who mods the amateur dj's forum, Neos post warning him of suspension still contains the link within the quote. you might want to get rid of that

well spotted those are removed now

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Originally posted by max graham you know its not even the money...our whole career is based on us putting out good records...if a record comes out wrong or isnt promoted right we lose that opportunity, people ripping it and putting it on the net causes that to happen...i have played this in sets that have been made public...i guess i was too optimistic to think people would rip it out of the set... mg

I'm sure you didn't even think about someone ripping it out of one of your sets. That sucks, Max.

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Originally posted by Laushinameee does max graham now have nothing better to do than trawl the internet looking for illegal mp3's... This sort of thing is going to happen, just accept it. Im not condoning ripping/ reconstructing tracks as im sure its very irritating for the artist but it will happen and there isnt too much that can be done about it. Coming on and boasting about how you 'got him' is just as sad imo.

I will assume that you don't make a living as an artist. You ask if he has nothing better to do than "trawl" the internet. Do you? Seriously. Did it ever occur to you that Max might read through the forums regarding tracks, mixes, shows, and whatever else may pertain to him in order to give and receive feedback? Should he be like other artists and make himself inaccessible and act like he is too good to come onto a message board? Get over yourself. It was his track that was ripped...not yours. He has a right to get pissed if he wants. Music is his passion and how he makes a living.






Good looking out, Neo.

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Originally posted by Wicked Neo if you apply the same logic, then i can quite happily steal your car or burgle your home, that sort of thing is going to happen, just accept it . . . does not make it right thou (yes i know u said u dont condone it but look at it from both sides). we have police forces who try to prevent others stealing your property or catch those that have, members of the public help the police out, so apply the same logic again, max and the riaa for example have a valid reason for preventing the use of illegal mp3.

err

there is a slight difference i think. For a start stealing a car is a criminal offence... whereas breach of copright isnt. Downloading an mp3 doesnt even fall under breach of copyright and its a very grey area (different rules for diff countries etc...)

but anyway

like most of these websites... TA is 'associated' with a hub where users can download music, yet publicly everyone is very 'anti mp3'. I just think its a bit hypocritical when an artist comes on complaining about something, then everyone agrees with him, when theyve probably all downloaded the track anyway.

Im sure you have a lot of mp3's on your computer, just as everyone else does. The only difference is that you have the wit not to include these tracks in any set / cd that you would produce. Just because you dont talk about it doesnt mean it doesnt happen. That was my point.

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Originally posted by Laushinameee does max graham now have nothing better to do than trawl the internet looking for illegal mp3's... This sort of thing is going to happen, just accept it. Im not condoning ripping/ reconstructing tracks as im sure its very irritating for the artist but it will happen and there isnt too much that can be done about it. Coming on and boasting about how you 'got him' is just as sad imo.

And here comes devil's advocate.

al capowned

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Originally posted by flavdave And here comes devil's advocate.

I just think it should be noted that all these people who are saying omg max thats sooo bad all have about 100000 mp3 on their computer. What makes it so bad that its a max graham track, just the fact that he came on complaining? There is so much hypocrisy here.

what about http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...171#post3303171

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Originally posted by Laushinameee I just think it should be noted that all these people who are saying omg max thats sooo bad all have about 100000 mp3 on their computer. What makes it so bad that its a max graham track, just the fact that he came on complaining? There is so much hypocrisy here.

yea but these people dont incorporate unreleased tracks into their mp3s trying to promote themselves all over the forums

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Originally posted by sisterbliss yea but these people dont incorporate unreleased tracks into their mp3s trying to promote themselves all over the forums

That isnt the point at all though...

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Originally posted by Laushinameee That isnt the point at all though...

actually that is what this whole thread is about

Good work guys, there was also a thread made in the Western Canada section, but I've PMed J-Spot and let him know whats going on, so that will be closed as soon as he comes online.

Dam, I used to listen to some of Alecs sets and thought they weren't bad, then he goes and does something real stupid like this, hope he didn't do it with any other mixes he made.

there's another one
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...202#post3303202


wtf

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Originally posted by sisterbliss actually that is what this whole thread is about

As far as the artist is concerned, and you can see it from the horses mouth here, he is concerned with HIS work. I dont think max graham gives two shits about this other guys career. He is bothered that a track which he hasnt released has been 'released' on the internet. The reasons for concern have also been outlined by him, for example he may not have totally finished working on the track, and its not ready for release in the state that its in.

the means by which people come across the track is of no concern. Its the fact that people have them in the first place.

*Watches as this thread degrades into a pointless flame-war*

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Originally posted by Laushinameee As far as the artist is concerned, and you can see it from the horses mouth here, he is concerned with HIS work. I dont think max graham gives two shits about this other guys career. He is bothered that a track which he hasnt released has been 'released' on the internet. The reasons for concern have also been outlined by him, for example he may not have totally finished working on the track, and its not ready for release in the state that its in. the means by which people come across the track is of no concern. Its the fact that people have them in the first place.

like he said, it hurts his release reputation
it's his work and he should be able to have control over it. if he hasn't released it yet he has the right to be mad at someone for using his work without permission. i'm sure if you were in max's shoes you'd be saying the same thing he is

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Originally posted by idoru *Watches as this thread degrades into a pointless flame-war*

I just think someone should actually point out why its so bad that this happens to max graham?

anyone with even one mp3 on their computer need not attempt an answer.

you ALL have mp3's on your computer, the only difference is that you dont spread it around. You still have them though, and this is what the artist is actually concerned about. So you shouldnt come on saying 'omg thats so bad' when youre sitting on a pc with a shitload of mp3 on it

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Originally posted by Laushinameee err there is a slight difference i think. For a start stealing a car is a criminal offence... whereas breach of copright isnt. Downloading an mp3 doesnt even fall under breach of copyright and its a very grey area (different rules for diff countries etc...) but anyway like most of these websites... TA is 'associated' with a hub where users can download music, yet publicly everyone is very 'anti mp3'. I just think its a bit hypocritical when an artist comes on complaining about something, then everyone agrees with him, when theyve probably all downloaded the track anyway. Im sure you have a lot of mp3's on your computer, just as everyone else does. The only difference is that you have the wit not to include these tracks in any set / cd that you would produce. Just because you dont talk about it doesnt mean it doesnt happen. That was my point.

i agree with laush here, theres a definited double standard on this web site when it comes to downloading music
i wont re-list an example of me asking a VERY famous producer who remixed a track for a VERY famous compilation for his track...only to be told to look on soulseek
kuffdam and plant had a track leaked and they just accepted it - credit to them for a restrained response

i wont even mention the people who ive seen in various hubs

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