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Originally posted by tc-fan yeah right...u just an Apple whore..

Im a big apple fan, sometimes one of those apple junkies, but lately, ive gotten pissed about apple products. (First example, why does apple need TWO processors @ 2.5ghz to beat a single 3.4ghz P4??? Unnacceptable!)

Anyways, heres my iPod rant, i fucken hate it, and im considering to sell it. Taken from another forum i posted it on:

So i used to have an MD.....top of the line back then: MZ-R900, the first and best of the LP series MiniDiscs. I gave it a good 2-3 years of play time. The thing ran for a good 60-70 hours of playtime. I sold it. Bought an iPod. iPod kicked ass until the battery life started going apeshit. Example: internal non-removable battery thats supposed to last even a measly 8 hours now lasts less than 1 hour. I paid 400 dollars to have this peice of shit good for ONE bus ride. UNACCEPTABLE. My MD, eventhough recording was a bitch, and storing music sucked, ie, lots of MDs, lasted. And i could carry with me a VERY SMALL extra battery which, would give me another 30 hours (and another 30 hours if using an additional AA battery, which still made it smaller than almost ANY other portable device). The iPod? Kinna bulky (fucken annoying), HEAVY, and no possibility of having a second battery on road trips, UNLESS i buy an external battery pack that makes the iPod more like an 80's sized cassette player. UNACCEPTABLE. My iPods battery dies almost on a DAILY basis, and in my 2-3 years ive had my MD batteries die no more then 5 times. (mind you, having a tiny spare in ure back pocket or somewhere, its easily "storeable" giving it TRUE meaning to portability.) If apple intends to take over the market with is MP3 player, it better put out something that lasts a MINIMUM of 20 hours on one charge, that DOESNT go down in life after 6 months, AND, why does it charge REGARDLESS when i connect it to my mac? Its half way full, and it recharges ANYWAYS? NO. I dont want to charge, since i know that is NOT GOOD for the battery, i want it to ONLY charge when the battery is COMPLETELY dead! And seeing how its also meant to be used a storing device and i take it to school to transfer my files for design classes, there NEEDS to be a function where it allows me to NOT charge it. FFS, are the apple engineers lazy or just stupid?

So im at the Sony Store here in Toronto. And i notice the new 20GB "MP3" player. At my amazement, it lasts up to 30 hours. PERFECT!!! And now i find out its gotta "CONVERT" tracks to ATRAC and only allows this like, 3 times? Yo, ive still got my ipod, and i got 30 gigs of music stored on DVDs and my HD, and ive HAD TO transfer files back and forth a lot more than once. Also, as for ATRAC/3 format, Sony is gonna fail with this redundant style of transferring music, does Sony not understand, that 90% of people who share music, use the MP3 format, and around half of my files are AAC?? If im given 20 GB of space to put my music on, im NOT gonna want to convert my music collection, and then AGAIN everytime i get more music.

So my questions ARE:

1) Is the new NW-HD1 compatible with a mac?
2) If it is, will it allow me to store files such as PSD files and be recognized as a portable device?
3) Is there a way of working around a HACK and having more then just "3" transfers to the player of a single track?

If all of those are "No" answers, i am SERIOUSLY thinking of buying back an MD recorder (also damn good for live recordings, DJ mix recording since i spin, and Im planning doing some experimental recording of the city), plus, im willing to put up with real time recording, so as long as when im on my trip to europe next year, i dont have to be pissed off about not having stuff to listen to when im on a train or bus. Im thinking of something like an MZ-R909/910, MZ-N1/10 or a HI-MD with non internal battery.

Any advice, please? And no, anyone who tells me iPods battery life isnt that bad, is a tool, you obviously dont use it enough and you obviously dont listen to music ALL THAT MUCH to actually want to spend 400 dollars on. Ive put the iPod to the test, and anyone who HASNT just wasted a lot of money becuase AGAIN OBVIOUSLY DONT NEED IT. Where as *I* do, because im on the go A LOT, and i take my music everywhere i go. Bus rides back home to kitchener on weekends, walking to school, walking to school, in class, out on random city photoshoots, and next year im most likely going to spend 2 months in poland and hopefully see europe.

SO PLEASE, someone here, PLEASE fucking help me out. Im tired of iPod, everytime i use it now, i have a very big urge to just smash it against the ground and watch it shatter to peices, and im dead serious, one day i will do this.

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Originally posted by kamil Im a big apple fan, sometimes one of those apple junkies, but lately, ive gotten pissed about apple products. (First example, why does apple need TWO processors @ 2.5ghz to beat a single 3.4ghz P4??? Unnacceptable!)

i didnt know that....well it depends if the software support dual processing..then its awesome...and Intel has lost it...My althlon +3800 64-bit smokes intel..


go here maybe it will help...



http://pdasmart.com/ipodpartscenter.htm

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Originally posted by kamil Im a big apple fan, sometimes one of those apple junkies, but lately, ive gotten pissed about apple products. (First example, why does apple need TWO processors @ 2.5ghz to beat a single 3.4ghz P4??? Unnacceptable!)

This artical may help ease your hatred.
http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/B...ight-36964.html


I have had very few problems with my ipod, which i have had for over a year now. I would recommend anyone if price isnt an issue to go for the iPod with the experience i have had with it. I have used it every day since i bought it. Without a doubt i will buy the 60 gig when it comes out.

^Awesome link, bookmarked it. Id still buy a dual 2.5ghz Mac any, im currently on a dual 1ghz G4 with 768 MB ram with superdrive. Ive never had the need to format in 2 year. Although i will be doing so soon, lots of small files are taking up space on my puny 80GB HD. Oh well, 2 years was a nice ride! It still runs FAST AS HELL, and no pc ive ever touched has come close to performing as nicely as my mac. I can still count with my fingers how many times its crashed: like, 4 to be honest.

Hey you pissed guy you at apple !! NICE WORK.. You could buy an Creative Zen Nx/extra, they have app 14hours of battery capacity, and you can change battery too These you can get in 30/60 Gb
I took a picture for you, here its no doubt that you can change youre battery, if you have to:

The new Zen Touch, has a nice 24hour battery capacity, its non-removeable, but hey, its a whole day we're talking about...

its sooo ugly and looks like a weapon

So now size does matter eh?!?

The batteries that these players use are Lithium Ion, and there are no negative effects from recharging these batteries before they are completely drained. The first type of rechargeable batteries were Ni-CD (nickel cadmium) and they suffered from this problem you are talking about. Recharging them before they were drained messed up their life cycle. Later on came Ni-MH (nickel metal-hydride) batteries that aren't affected by the point you charge them at.

So, in short.. don't worry about charging your iPod / iRiver / Zen before the battery is drained.

I ordered a Philips HDD120 a few days ago:




http://www.everythingusb.com/hardwa...dio_Jukebox.htm

larger pic

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Originally posted by getfoul This artical may help ease your hatred. http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/B...ight-36964.html I have had very few problems with my ipod, which i have had for over a year now. I would recommend anyone if price isnt an issue to go for the iPod with the experience i have had with it. I have used it every day since i bought it. Without a doubt i will buy the 60 gig when it comes out.

my pc never crashes either...just cause u have a mac dont mean our pc will have problems...more people have pc than mac meaning more dumb ass people have pcs and they dont know wtf they are doing..Poeple that are pc literate have macs then alot of dumb idiots have pcs...

the reason i hate most of the jukeboxes aout there is
1. No ogg support
2. No plug N play
3. Must install software to upload to device
4. No future firmware update

iPod all the way!!!

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Originally posted by arturob iPod all the way!!!

Ipod can blow me...mine is better

iPod rocks so much. sexy, better looking, smaller, more practical!!!! screw zennnnnnnn...... apple#1!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by arturob iPod rocks so much. sexy, better looking, smaller, more practical!!!! screw zennnnnnnn...... apple#1!!!!!!!!!!

How about backing up your claims? What makes you think the iPod is more practical than the Zen?

And for their looks, I think they both look about the same. What little difference there is in looks surely can't be worth $150.

Creative Nomad Zen:


Apple iPod:

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Originally posted by El~ZaPo How about backing up your claims? What makes you think the iPod is more practical than the Zen? And for their looks, I think they both look about the same. What little difference there is in looks surely can't be worth $150. Creative Nomad Zen: Apple iPod:

On top of that the Ipod sounds aint as good as alot of other jukeboxes...the best sound comes from Creative anyway....

My Iriver is unique..
Plays over 600 hours of digital music*
Up to 16 hours of battery life
Supports MP3, WMA, ASF, WAV and OGG music files
Ultra-fast USB 2.0 transfers (up to 40 times faster than USB 1.0)
Integrated FM tuner
Backlit remote control with 4-line display
Built-in voice recorder
Intuitive music navigation
Real-time MP3 encoding (no PC required)
20GB of internal storage
Store or transfer files of any type
Extra-large, 8-line, backlit LCD
Rechargeable Lithium Polymer battery
Optical input and output
Upgradeable to future formats and features

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Originally posted by El~ZaPo The batteries that these players use are Lithium Ion, and there are no negative effects from recharging these batteries before they are completely drained. The first type of rechargeable batteries were Ni-CD (nickel cadmium) and they suffered from this problem you are talking about. Recharging them before they were drained messed up their life cycle. Later on came Ni-MH (nickel metal-hydride) batteries that aren't affected by the point you charge them at. So, in short.. don't worry about charging your iPod / iRiver / Zen before the battery is drained.

WRONG.

Did you even read at least the first line of my rant? iPod is SHIT, the engineers of it fucked up SO BAD, that every iPod is going to shit after 2 years, and A LOT if not MOST are going down the crapper in one year.

If your point is true, explain why my iPod lasts me around 30 minutes now, as opposed to the claimed 8 hours im supposed to be getting? HMMMMMMM????????

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Originally posted by P4z! I ordered a Philips HDD120 a few days ago: http://www.everythingusb.com/hardwa...dio_Jukebox.htm larger pic

That, my friend, looks SO sexy.
Is the battery on that internal non-removable?
Also, do u know if its compatible with a mac? Thanks!

(ps, it really, REALLY looks sexy)

Ipod or Zenn you say?

Karma

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Originally posted by kamil That, my friend, looks SO sexy. Is the battery on that internal non-removable? Also, do u know if its compatible with a mac? Thanks! (ps, it really, REALLY looks sexy)

I'm not sure, I heard there were alot of firmware upgrades to it so maybe they have upgraded it with support for mac. Here are the full specifications:

Click

I'm really loving the iRiver, but it has just come out, and like many mp3 players that I have baught, I dont want it to break down and screw me over since all the bugs arent fixed yet.

Is anybody with the h320 having any problems at all?

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Originally posted by kamil WRONG. Did you even read at least the first line of my rant? iPod is SHIT, the engineers of it fucked up SO BAD, that every iPod is going to shit after 2 years, and A LOT if not MOST are going down the crapper in one year. If your point is true, explain why my iPod lasts me around 30 minutes now, as opposed to the claimed 8 hours im supposed to be getting? HMMMMMMM????????

[apple whore mode on/]

The battery is not just a problem on the ipod. Eventually all lithium batteries go to shit, whether its from a Zen Nomad, an iRiver, ect. You can replace your ipod lithium battery for about $30 if you don't directly go through apple. (Just look up ipod battery on the net.)

http://store.craytonelectronics.com/upapipinba.html

All in all, the iPod is not perfect and there are many improvements that can be made (but this can be said of most players),...however it is still an excellent player. I bought mine two months ago, just to try it out and see how I like it and how it compares to my other mp3 player (Cowon iAudio). At first I was really skeptical and was a bit turned of by all the hype but after using it I came to realize that it's actually is a good player. It's fast, I can easily search through ~35 Gigs of music, large sets or tracks are a cinch to navigate through, I can use it as a mini PDA, I can attach tracklists and notes to tracks or sets, I can use it pretty much anywhere, my car, my home stereo, the stereo at work...

[/apple whore mode off]

Woohoo, decided to buy the Iriver H320, should be gettin it in by the end of this month.

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Originally posted by DannyO Woohoo, decided to buy the Iriver H320, should be gettin it in by the end of this month.

u made the best decision...the best portable...u wanna double the space...put your mp3 to ogg....i put like 40 gigs of mp3 into my 20 gig IRIVER..and it sounds ass good as the original mp3...LOVE OGG..

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Originally posted by midaV I'm really loving the iRiver, but it has just come out, and like many mp3 players that I have baught, I dont want it to break down and screw me over since all the bugs arent fixed yet. Is anybody with the h320 having any problems at all?

why u having problems??? i had mine for 6 months no problem here..i have the h120

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