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Originally posted by Yoepus let me guess, you like heinz ketchup?

Nope. Not into ketchup either.

Nice, serious post here:

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil I don't think their president is very popular here, like Bush is there. His position has been very anti American in general, not just in Iraq.

You are quite right - Chirac is acting like a pompous and arrogant jerk. He hides behind humanitarian concerns, but each of his policies on foreign affairs can easily be attributed to French national interests or pampering to the anti-American elements in France (the left).
I had the good fortune of living and working in France during this summer, and can assure you that the average Jean-Pierre is not like his president. Actually, most French I met (mostly younger ones), were more concerned with criticizing France than the US. They fear that their language policy is undermining the France of the future, and are as frustrated over weird bureaucracy as us foreigners are perplexed by it.
I couldn't resist the temptation of asking one of my colleagues there why they voted for Chirac, when he is so clearly not like most of the French. He replied that it was the failings of the French that they never involved themselves until the catastrophy had occured: In the primary elections nobody bothered to vote but the extreme right, and it resulted in the choice between Le Pen and Chirac. Of course the French reacted with demonstrations, but that enthusiasm really ought to have been directed at the vote. So the end result is that Chirac is president.

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil They call us arrogant but their arrogance has been made fun of in tv and movies for decades.

Hmmm. The point being?

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil They are a member of the security council, when in reality they never were a world power.

They were a world power - it's just that it is some hundred years ago. They were the ones that helped you out in the war of independence (or war on independence as Bush calls it )

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil They constantly degrade other European members, especially the news ones, creating a barrer between old and new europe.

Chirac has a very very poor track record when it comes to acting ethically defensible in relation to the EU. His scolding of Poland and Bulgaria for having their own opinions was extremely disgusting. Similarly, his labelling of the Danish PM as a "creton" for allowing the press to follow the negotiation process during the EU expansion, was narrowminded and inexcusable.
The guy really makes my skin crawl

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil They call us arrogant but their arrogance has been made fun of in tv and movies for decades.

That's a downright lie, people would never refer to Americans as arrogant

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ierxium
Not me. I don't like mustard to begin with.

Nor me, I don't like zionists to begin with.

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Originally posted by Epicurus No, but I am a Chemical Engineer

Hmmm a chem E in pittsburgh? You don't happen go to that cesspool of a school carnegie mellon do you? That may be a redundant question since some would argue that the entire city of pittsburgh is a cesspool .

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The French like to make fun of the ignorant, fat, loud Americans and the Americans like to make fun of the cheese eating, surrender monkeys. Why rock the boat?

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Hmmm a chem E in pittsburgh? You don't happen go to that cesspool of a school carnegie mellon do you? That may be a redundant question since some would argue that the entire city of pittsburgh is a cesspool .

Pittsburgh, a cesspool??? You don't say...I mean, this city rocks But ya, to answer your question, I do go to CMU, and yes, it reflects Pittsburgh's image rather well...Why do you ask?

It's not that I hate the french, its just that I wish Quebec would quit their bitching.

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Originally posted by trancaholic Hmmm. The point being?

The point is just that since the media, movies and tv, have made fun of french arrogance people here tend to pick up on that. Remember that cartoon skunk, pepe le peu?

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Originally posted by Epicurus Pittsburgh, a cesspool??? You don't say...I mean, this city rocks But ya, to answer your question, I do go to CMU, and yes, it reflects Pittsburgh's image rather well...Why do you ask?

Unfortunately it's my alma mater GSIA (or is it tepper now?) '02. Yup there's nothing like 4 years of shitsburgh, cmu goggles, and an overpriced education to make an alcoholic out of someone.

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Originally posted by DJ Tom It's not that I hate the french, its just that I wish Quebec would quit their bitching.

talking about bitching, aren't you from Albera?

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Originally posted by LiquidX JM could come up with a smart answer..

nah, i give up.

might as well be French.



>JM<

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Unfortunately it's my alma mater GSIA (or is it tepper now?) '02. Yup there's nothing like 4 years of shitsburgh, cmu goggles, and an overpriced education to make an alcoholic out of someone.

Damn...I took tons of courses in GSIA (and yeah it's Tepper now) my first two years, so there's a pretty good chance I might have bumped into you or at least be able to recognize your face...anyway, I don't want to hijack this thread, so I'll say something related to the thread: Vive la France et le Quebec libre esti de tabarnac (Long live France and a seperate Quebec insult insult)

Most Anti-French Americans are people who have never been to France and know nothing about it. Hence why intelligent people ignore them.

The same can be said about those who hate America.

maybe... lol...

Well unless people get their impressions of America from Disneyworld, but then we'd be the happiest place on earth.

French military aid was also a decisive factor in the American victory. French land and sea forces fought on the side of the American colonists against the British. At the same time, British and French (and to a lesser extent, Dutch and Spanish) forces fought for colonial wealth and empire around the world. From 1778 through 1783 -- two years after the defeat of Cornwallis at Yorktown -- French forces fought the British in the West Indies, Africa and India.

From the perspective of the American Revolution, however, the high point of French support is the landing of five battalions of French infantry and artillery in Rhode Island in 1780. In 1781, these French troops under the command of Count Rochambeau marched south to Virginia where they joined Continental forces under Washington and Lafayette. Cornwallis, encamped on the Yorktown peninsula, hoped to be rescued by the British navy. A French fleet under the command of Admiral DeGrasse intercepted and, after a fierce battle lasting several days, defeated the British fleet and forced it to withdraw. This left the French navy to land heavy siege cannon and other supplies and trapped Cornwallis on the Yorktown peninsula.

At that point, the defeat of Cornwallis was essentially a matter of time. On September 14, 1781, the French and Continental armies completed their 700 mile march and soon thereafter laid siege to the British positions. After a number of weeks and several brief but intense engagements, Cornwallis, besieged on the peninsula by the large and well-equipped French-American army, and stricken by dysentery, determined to surrender his army. On October 19, 1781, the British forces marched out between the silent ranks of the Americans and French, arrayed in parallel lines a mile long, and cast down their arms.

Abb� Robin, who witnessed the surrender, described the victorious American and French forces present at the ceremony. "Among the Americans, the wide variety in age -- 12 to 14-year old children stood side by side with grandfathers -- the absence of uniformity in their bearing and their ragged clothing made the French allies appear more splendid by contrast. The latter, in their immaculate white uniforms and blue braid, gave an impression of martial vigor despite their fatigue. We were all astonished by the excellent condition of the English troops, by their number -- we were expecting scarcely 3,000 and they numbered more than 8,000 -- and by their discipline."

George Woodbridge summed up the Yorktown campaign in the following words: "The strategy of the campaign was Rochambeau�s; the French fleet was there as a result of his arrangements; the tactics of the battle were his; the American army was present because he had lent money to Washington; in total naval and military participants the French outnumbered the Americans between three and four to one. Yorktown was Rochambeau�s victory.

How strange it must have been for these French troops and their new-found colonial allies, some of whom had fought each other as enemies barely fifteen years earlier, to stand shoulder to shoulder in armed conflict with France�s ancient enemy and the colonist�s blood kin! In the end, these French soldiers became the hard anvil upon which the new American nation was forged and the chains of British imperial domination were finally broken.

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Originally posted by Arbiter I think most Americans who behave anti-French are really just joking. There are a fair number of people who are serious, but they're just the same kind of people who always need to have someone to pick on in order to feel good about themselves - and they exist in every country.

Yeah i do realize that most people are just joking, but sometimes it just feels too much (and hell i dont even like many of france policies myself!). I even saw a clip of your funny president talking shit about french in some of his campaign speeches. I would be really offended if i heard someone elses president talk like that about my country, the president if someone should not act like that.

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Originally posted by rupert French military aid was also a decisive factor in the American victory. French land and sea forces fought on the side of the American colonists against the British. At the same time, British and French (and to a lesser extent, Dutch and Spanish) forces fought for colonial wealth and empire around the world. From 1778 through 1783 -- two years after the defeat of Cornwallis at Yorktown -- French forces fought the British in the West Indies, Africa and India.

And the French also fought against the Americans in the French-Indian war just a couple yeser earlier. Flip-flop anyone?




Point is, undoubtedly the French helped the Americans - however it wasn't that they were so much 'pro-American' as 'anti-British'.

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Originally posted by St_Andrew Yeah i do realize that most people are just joking, but sometimes it just feels too much (and hell i dont even like many of france policies myself!). I even saw a clip of your funny president talking shit about french in some of his campaign speeches. I would be really offended if i heard someone elses president talk like that about my country, the president if someone should not act like that.

The french talk shit, the german talk shit, the canadians talk shit, the Americans talk shit. None of it really matters, its just a bunch of words, if schoolchildren can get over it, I am sure they can. If they really want to settle it they should get a cage and go on pay per view.

Fucking French.... give us back Savoy, Corsica, and hands off Monaco!!

Also, stop being a pain in the ass in Quebec!

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