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Don't hold your breath. Well, unless you want to reduce your CO2 emissions, that is.

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Originally posted by St_Andrew Second, EU do have environmental laws, as do the US? The population of the US and the EU is about the same (EU is even a bit larger...), so that argument is just bad. Come up with a better one.

Heres one:

Where is the EU's refineries, chemical, and industrial plants?


I'll tell you...


If you guessed somewhere on a different continent you're not far off


The USA doesn't outsource its pollution as much as the EU does, thats the only difference

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil Well if you say the entire EU then they have a comparable economy but rarely you see anyone from europe say they are from the European Union, they say they are from France, Denmark, Belgium, Poland, etc. So when I say that I mean when a person speaking from a single European country compares how we act compared to their country it is just not a fair comparison. It is like someone from iceland complaining about how americans won't clean up their pollution, well of course we haven't we have 10,000x the number of people, traffic, factories, companies, etc etc. It is a lot easier when you have a smaller area, less people, and a smaller infrastructure.

Well, noone is asking for the US to reduce its amount of polution to that of Iceland or Denmark. If that was the case, I don't believe any country would join the Kyoto protocol. Still, the US produces much more CO2 per person than EU. The problem with the US is that it gets a lot of power from coal and oil, and US cars use more gas than European or Japanese ones. If you'd start building nukes and weaker cars, you'd easily become compatible with Kyoto.

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About the article It is not necessarily developing cleaner less carbon based emittants, it has developed "more efficient" methods that are 55% more productive, I probably wasn't clear about that. In essense we are getting 55% more out of the same carbon deposits today than in the 70s

Anyway, would you mind posting the research? I'm too lazy to look up.

Btw, arbiter, who's that getting beaten up in your avatar? He looks kinda like Mirko Filipovic, but I can't tell for sure.

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Originally posted by Yoepus Heres one: Where is the EU's refineries, chemical, and industrial plants? I'll tell you... If you guessed somewhere on a different continent you're not far off The USA doesn't outsource its pollution as much as the EU does, thats the only difference

Oh so europe doesnt have refineries, chemical or industrial plants?

later if i get time i will check out if i can find any figures on how much EU really "outsources"... i honestly dont think it is that much.

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