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i would rather have a macintosh over windows if it wasnt much more expensive in israel.
and i would rather have a linux over a macintosh if it was geared for music/graphic producers as much as the mac compatability/preformance).

windows is a gaming platform that relies on the easiest interface
macintosh is a graphic/music producer platform that relies on skill
linux is a programing platform that relies on nerdiness

in which category do you fit?

the only thing i dont like about macs is once u buy one u are fuck for life...u cant later upgrade...u need to sell the whole thing and get a new one...I wish i can go somewhere buy the parts and put it together...and its expensive also..

What bothers me about Apple is they try and do the thinking for you. Far more than Windows does. Apple also tends to try and nickel and dime you to death. Take the Ipod for example, you need to buy the remote separately, the docking station, the USB cord, etc., and it's usually pretty pricey in comparison.

To sum it up, Apple is like a cool looking Acura in which if you look under the hood, there's nothing but a big black box with an Apple logo in the center. Windows is like a good 'ole American 5.0 Mustang you can EASILY mod the crap out of, and pretty much build as you please with readily available parts.

Boom.

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Originally posted by Psy-T i would rather have a macintosh over windows if it wasnt much more expensive in israel. and i would rather have a linux over a macintosh if it was geared for music/graphic producers as much as the mac compatability/preformance). windows is a gaming platform that relies on the easiest interface macintosh is a graphic/music producer platform that relies on skill linux is a programing platform that relies on nerdiness in which category do you fit?

macs are much more expensive everywhere!

windows gets a nod because it has to run under so many different conditions on so many different types of hardware. OSX and its relatives only run on apple.

my main beef, and ive used both - is that when windows breaks, someone with a bit of knowhow and effort can fix the problem themselves. with Apple you pay more from the get go, pay more for software and peripherals and then when it breaks you have to pay Apple to fix it. Good business model, (i guess), but it really chafes my hide|

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Originally posted by tc-fan the only thing i dont like about macs is once u buy one u are fuck for life...u cant later upgrade...u need to sell the whole thing and get a new one...I wish i can go somewhere buy the parts and put it together...and its expensive also..

actually unlike PC parts that become outdated easily and need upgrading, Mac parts dont. someone running a G3 right now would still have no problem doing whatever he needs to do on the mac. but someone running a pentuim 2 right now on a pc, would be SOL

People seem to have missed the point

This was a thread about dogma vs evolution... Mac's mouse was merely a proxy to demonstrate it.

Steve Jobs sees a mouse and windows at Xerox as said "Damn that's good, let's adopt it"

Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer saw WINDOWS and a mouse on an Apple they said "Damn that's good, let's adopt it"

For Steve Jobs (and every Mac user alive) to see a 2 button scroll wheel mouse on every WINDOWS computer and not say "Damn that's good, let's adopt it"is just plain silly.

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Originally posted by Subey People seem to have missed the point This was a thread about dogma vs evolution... Mac's mouse was merely a proxy to demonstrate it. Steve Jobs sees a mouse and windows at Xerox as said "Damn that's good, let's adopt it" Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer saw WINDOWS and a mouse on an Apple they said "Damn that's good, let's adopt it" For Steve Jobs (and every Mac user alive) to see a 2 button scroll wheel mouse on every WINDOWS computer and not say "Damn that's good, let's adopt it"is just plain silly.

You might want to consider that world of computers doesn't revolve around your specific needs. The primary goal of mac is to keep things simple. The most difficult thing for a new user to learn is how to operate the mouse. Since a large segment of the population don't enjoy the complexity and problems of computers it's logical to conclued that mac not windows has their priorities right. Btw, if you don't like mac use windoze instead and quit your bitching.

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Originally posted by Haunted actually unlike PC parts that become outdated easily and need upgrading, Mac parts dont. someone running a G3 right now would still have no problem doing whatever he needs to do on the mac. but someone running a pentuim 2 right now on a pc, would be SOL

thats not true..it depends on what u going to use your pc...me i am a hardcore gamer and i need the processing power....

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Originally posted by biznology macs are much more expensive everywhere! windows gets a nod because it has to run under so many different conditions on so many different types of hardware. OSX and its relatives only run on apple. my main beef, and ive used both - is that when windows breaks, someone with a bit of knowhow and effort can fix the problem themselves. with Apple you pay more from the get go, pay more for software and peripherals and then when it breaks you have to pay Apple to fix it. Good business model, (i guess), but it really chafes my hide|

Mac's are more expensive yes, but if you look at the prices they are dropping, as they are picking back up in popularity they can afford to lower the prices and stay in business. Simple business rules, but kind of a no win situation. Fewer buyers - higher prices. More buyers - lower prices. So where do you get to the point where you can lower the prices with few buyers and stay afloat with the services they offer that need to be funded and the employees, etc etc.?

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Originally posted by Sqwid What bothers me about Apple is they try and do the thinking for you. Far more than Windows does. Apple also tends to try and nickel and dime you to death. Take the Ipod for example, you need to buy the remote separately, the docking station, the USB cord, etc., and it's usually pretty pricey in comparison. To sum it up, Apple is like a cool looking Acura in which if you look under the hood, there's nothing but a big black box with an Apple logo in the center. Windows is like a good 'ole American 5.0 Mustang you can EASILY mod the crap out of, and pretty much build as you please with readily available parts.

my ipod came with a remote. I guess that was a fluke. It also came with the dock and the firewire cord. Whoa it came with earphones too!

I love my 17 inch PB, and windows has yet to come out with anything close to touching what this "laptop" can do in sense of performance, design and ease of use. and it's over a ytear old now.

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Originally posted by getfoul I love my 17 inch PB, and windows has yet to come out with anything close to touching what this "laptop" can do in sense of performance, design and ease of use. and it's over a ytear old now.

It's true that macs with their laptops have always been ahead of their game in comparision to Pc's.

I've been using Mac since I was a little kid. Now I have both a PC and a Mac. From my experiences Mac OS is much more stable (Mac OS X). It's also very simple and elegant. My Mac have never disappointed, and that's why I nearly never use my PC. I use it sometimes for gaming but I simply don't trust it when it comes to other stuff such as writing and web-design. I've only had it for 5 months or something like that and it has crashed too often compared to my Mac. That's just how I feel about this.. maybe it's personal taste.

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Originally posted by Arbiter Boom.

Hehe. That's what Mac looked like 10 years ago. OSX simply can't crash

can someone please explain to me exactly why macs are soooooooooooooooooooooo much better then pcs for video editing?

if u beef up a PC im pretty sure it can do anything you want

software, interface, etc etc, makes macs much better for precisely those reasons

Flec,

the simplest answer is: mac's hardware architecture allows for a 30%+ increase in producitivity time when compared with a PC of the same calibre. they are easy to fix resulting in much less downtime when problems do arise. macs actually cost 50% less on the dollar vs. PCs for maintenance.

aside from video editing, one of the biggest reasons why PCs aren't used is because of the fonts. the fonts on a PC are nowhere close to the design of the original font. take for example the avant garde font created in the 60s by herb lubalin, it has been appropriated again and again for the PC, not legally i might add, but tweaked enough so there aren't any problems, but the result is a horrible looking font. Same goes for any stock font: Arial, Helvetica, Times, etc.

it wasn't until the advent of the truetype font that things were looking a little better for the PC.

the fonts on an apple machine are as close to the originals as you can get by today's standards, simply because at the beginning of the "computer race", Steve Jobs took the time to legally address all the font issues.

oh and another thing, the colour calibration that PCs afford are also pretty sketchy when compared to true colours (pantone colours) that macs utilize.

it isn't just the hardware that makes the mac superior for graphic production, but the software application as well. hope that helps.

Best quote in this situation: "In a world without walls or fences, what use to we have for Windows or Gates?"

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Originally posted by Flec can someone please explain to me exactly why macs are soooooooooooooooooooooo much better then pcs for video editing? if u beef up a PC im pretty sure it can do anything you want

One basic thing is that processing on mac uses less processing steps

Maybe like 5 or so

Pc cpu's are around 10~20 processing steps

So think of pc's as being less efficient and lots of loss in processing power.

Colour palette on macs are truer ( which can be corrected on macs ).
Screens on a mac tend to have a higher horizontal refresh rate compared to a pc.



It's not exactly a question of one being able to do a task that the other cannot ... as both platforms can pretty much achieve the same tasks apart from some platform specific software.

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Originally posted by Flec can someone please explain to me exactly why macs are soooooooooooooooooooooo much better then pcs for video editing? if u beef up a PC im pretty sure it can do anything you want

the software. mac provides free video editing software for the consumer iMovie and their professional software FinalCut and DVD Studio pro is simply the best. screen resolution is a little higher 92 which is nice when working with images. Look i wish more software was availble on the mac and would like lower prices. everything in life has trade offs.

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Originally posted by igottaknow the software. mac provides free video editing software for the consumer iMovie and their professional software FinalCut and DVD Studio pro is simply the best. screen resolution is a little higher 92 which is nice when working with images. Look i wish more software was availble on the mac and would like lower prices. everything in life has trade offs.

I can't wait to get a new mac lappie and get a copy of Motion!

It really seems amazing

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Originally posted by jdat I can't wait to get a new mac lappie and get a copy of Motion! It really seems amazing

a great piece of software for sure. i've been able to do things i wasn't able to do as efficiently or at all in after effects

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Originally posted by Linx_da_cat a great piece of software for sure. i've been able to do things i wasn't able to do as efficiently or at all in after effects

Hook it up

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Originally posted by tu_face if only it was as simple as windows...

u just gotta know it

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Originally posted by smallSHEEP Pff use UNIX anyday. Command Line Interface Rocks

is ur sig supposed to be a joke???

I've been using a Mac for a while, at the moment I'm running OSX.

Overall I like the way the interface works, and how it doesn't crash too much (it does crash, believe me, but not THAT much)

The only thing that would steer me towards using Windows (apart from the prices of PC systems) is the compatablilty for mainstream programs like instant messaging for example, and a lot of shareware.

I might end up buying a PC when I move out, mainly because of the price thing. But I'm happy enough with this Mac.

Apple still sucks in my book because it's not generally compatible with all applications. At least the ones I use ... and Macs suffer miserably against IBM PCs for sheer power.


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