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My 2 cents.

I stopped watching after like 45 mins, it is still on here (repeated) on the dutch TV

it was boring, stupid and nonsense, how can people say Cheney ? or Edward?

There were no facts at all, or hardly both were just saying ya this and that..but further? Cheney was lieng as hell and was using his time to create fear, while Edward was just saying how Kerry is better without any facts or proof.

was boring imo, and one thing pissed me off about Edward.

He said that Isreal has the right to defend it self because 16 childeren died, like Isreal never killed any childeren

weak politcis you americans, if this is the system you want to put all over the globe, i would even fight against it.

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Originally posted by Yoepus Since the polls are nearly even, and we are on the TA forum, I'll rack this one up as a win for the Bush team. That makes it: Kerry 1 Bush .5

LoL no man, compare to other polls, and you can say that TA polls were accurate

Some interesting info about who won..

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John Edwards won the vice-presidential debate 41% to 28% among uncommitted voters according to a CBS poll. An online poll conducted by MSNBC makes the margin of Edwards victory even larger: 67% to 33%. While the MSNBC poll was not a scientific poll, it did have 885,000 responses, so it was a very large poll of Internet users. The effect of the first presidential debate is starting to kick in. Kerry is surging and Bush is dropping. Kerry has retaken the lead in all-important Ohio by 49% to 48%, New Mexico by 46% to 43%, and Iowa by 48% to 47%. While all of these are within the margin of error, previous polls had Bush ahead in these states by more than the margin of error. Clearly the forward motion Kerry has been experiencing in the national polls this week is starting to show up in the state polls as well. On the other hand, Bush has taken the lead in Pennsylvania by a margin of 48% to 47%.

From electoral-vote.com

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Originally posted by devonian rabbit

that pic sums up the debate.

Edwards did an awsome job on that grumpy out of touch chickenhawk neocon. I loved when edward's adressed Cheney's voting history. Cheney voted against (martin luther king day, the release of nelson mandela, meals on wheel program for the elderly).

Time to go old man were sick and tired of your lies and deceitful ways. If you love wars so much enlist in the military and do your own dirty work.

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Originally posted by xKaoSx which was a lie- he met him 3 years earlier at a dinner.

I heard this early today. All I can say is that Edwards must've made some impression on him for Cheney not to remember meeting him!

I like how factcheck factchecked the fact that Cheney's "fact" that factcheck defended Cheney was in fact infactual and that Cheney even factually misled us by citing factcheck as a source for facts in an infactual manner. Why does Cheney hate facts?

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=272

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Originally posted by occrider I like how factcheck factchecked the fact that Cheney's "fact" that factcheck defended Cheney was in fact infactual and that Cheney even factually misled us by citing factcheck as a source for facts in an infactual manner. Why does Cheney hate facts? http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=272

I couldn't get that link to work, but is it in reference to Cheney referencing Factcheck.com instead of Factcheck.org? And that the dot.com version is a George Soros site? I thought that was funny.

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Originally posted by Shakka I couldn't get that link to work, but is it in reference to Cheney referencing Factcheck.com instead of Factcheck.org? And that the dot.com version is a George Soros site? I thought that was funny.

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Summary Cheney wrongly implied that FactCheck had defended his tenure as CEO of Halliburton Co., and the vice president even got our name wrong. He overstated matters when he said Edwards voted "for the war" and "to commit the troops, to send them to war." He exaggerated the number of times Kerry has voted to raise taxes, and puffed up the number of small business owners who would see a tax increase under Kerry's proposals. Edwards falsely claimed the administration "lobbied the Congress" to cut the combat pay of troops in Iraq, something the White House never supported, and he used misleading numbers about jobs.

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Originally posted by Shakka I couldn't get that link to work, but is it in reference to Cheney referencing Factcheck.com instead of Factcheck.org? And that the dot.com version is a George Soros site? I thought that was funny.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS...e.ap/index.html

I bet Cheney doesn't even know how to start up a computer

If you look at state by state polls it was a close debate.


However online polls are worthless.
For instance TA is a heavy leaning liberal website.

Now online polls have gone to shit when you take these kinds of propaganda into consideration:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=984782&mesg_id=984782

nice job liberals...spamming all the polls.....

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Originally posted by speedracer_mec If you look at state by state polls it was a close debate. However online polls are worthless. For instance TA is a heavy leaning liberal website. Now online polls have gone to shit when you take these kinds of propaganda into consideration: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=984782&mesg_id=984782 nice job liberals...spamming all the polls.....

Now speed, you know it's all about who controls the spin. I'm going to venture a guess without initial examination that there are a healthy portion of conservative blogs who've asked their readers to do exactly the same. What do you think are the odds?

So I really don't think you should blame progressives and liberal blog readers for skewing the polls when there's an equal opportunity for conservative blog readers to do the same, esp. AFTER they caught on to the fact after the first Presidential debate and BEFORE the VP debate.

But I agree, internet polls are worthless, however I'd take it one step further and say ALL polls are seemingly becoming more worthless as well. Of course some are more accurate than others, but I lose no sleep throwing out the baby with the bathwater in this regard with these stupid polls.

Speaking of spin MisterOpus, anyone else find it insulting that we have to have individuals come on the major Cable networks right after the debates from both parties and present their views from the "Spin Rooms" when America just finished watching 90 minutes of what took place and can make up their minds as to who was better on the issues presented by the mod and the candidates responses.

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Originally posted by NYCTrancefan Speaking of spin MisterOpus, anyone else find it insulting that we have to have individuals come on the major Cable networks right after the debates from both parties and present their views from the "Spin Rooms" when America just finished watching 90 minutes of what took place and can make up their minds as to who was better on the issues presented by the mod and the candidates responses.

So true, but where would politics be without 'em?

(uhh, that's a rhetorical question, I think).

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