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Posted by ONION on Oct-12-2004 11:15:

quote:
Originally posted by Mike_Foyle


As the rush comes is GORGEOUS, and unless your one of these people who is so narrow minded that your ashamed to admit it because it did well and could be considered cheese by some, then u REALLY arent the right kinda person to be mixing with this industry.


fucking rofl


Posted by ONION on Oct-12-2004 11:29:

quote:
Originally posted by Vizay


it's pretty funny, as soon as a track goes well and sells a lot it's considered cheese by the "eliteish" people in the scene.


Energy52 - Cafe Del Mar has been played / remixed many many times and millions of copies have been sold... Ask any 'eliteish' person who knows their Trance... and they will tell you that track rocks.

quote:

I say who fucking cares about how much money and success a track get's, if it's good it's good!


I dont judge a track on how many people go out and buy it... If its a good tune... its a good tune. And ATRC is definitely not a good tune


Posted by Vizay on Oct-12-2004 12:08:

quote:
Originally posted by ONION
I dont judge a track on how many people go out and buy it... If its a good tune... its a good tune. And ATRC is definitely not a good tune


and why is it not a good tune. Have you produced anything that is better yourself?
It's pretty useless to state that a track sucks if you don't tell us why it sucks mate


Posted by Massive84 on Oct-12-2004 12:21:

quote:
Originally posted by Vizay
and why is it not a good tune. Have you produced anything that is better yourself?
It's pretty useless to state that a track sucks if you don't tell us why it sucks mate


hmm what does that have to do with each other.

ATRC is boring, i never liked it, thats even before i knew who G & D were, i just don't feel the magic..thats my taste, and saying this does not make me jalous but honnest.


Posted by Vizay on Oct-12-2004 12:25:

quote:
Originally posted by Massive84
hmm what does that have to do with each other.

they didn't have anything to do with eachother but they both had to do with his post.

quote:
Originally posted by Massive84
ATRC is boring, i never liked it, thats even before i knew who G & D were, i just don't feel the magic..thats my taste, and saying this does not make me jalous but honnest.


that's what I'm talking about. I'm not saying that your'e not allowed to dislike their tracks but one should at least state why it's disliked like you did now

it annoys me when people bash a track and don't know why they bash it really. Most of the times they just bash it because theyv'e seen someone else bash it.


Posted by Massive84 on Oct-12-2004 12:55:

quote:
Originally posted by Vizay
it annoys me when people bash a track and don't know why they bash it really. Most of the times they just bash it because theyv'e seen someone else bash it.


hehe ya i get what you mean.

I dare to bet my house that there are a few Sammy bashers without knowing who Sammy is.

But thats what you get with an huge forum board.


Posted by djAlexg on Oct-12-2004 15:01:

it's sad how a thread changes it's topic and how it developes into flaming coz of some ""TA's""


Posted by Subtle on Oct-12-2004 16:07:

quote:
Originally posted by ONION

I dont judge a track on how many people go out and buy it... If its a good tune... its a good tune. And ATRC is definitely not a good tune
bullshit...! maybe u dont "personally" like it.. but u cant say that actually IS NOT a good tune!


Posted by ONION on Oct-12-2004 16:14:

quote:
Originally posted by Vizay
and why is it not a good tune. Have you produced anything that is better yourself?
It's pretty useless to state that a track sucks if you don't tell us why it sucks mate


Because its not what i consider Trance...

To me Trance is:

* LSG - Hearts
* Friends Lovers & Family - Diamond Lils
* Cosmic Baby - Heavens Tears
* Dance2Trance - Take a FreeFall ( Cosmic Baby Mix )

If you know these tracks you will understand what I mean...


And subtle.... im stating my opinion


Posted by Subtle on Oct-12-2004 16:17:

quote:
Originally posted by ONION
Because its not what i consider Trance...

To me Trance is:

* LSG - Hearts
* Friends Lovers & Family - Diamond Lils
* Cosmic Baby - Heavens Tears
* Dance2Trance - Take a FreeFall ( Cosmic Baby Mix )

If you know these tracks you will understand what I mean...


And subtle.... im stating my opinion
maybe.. but trance has changed since these times.. I bet you consider Commander Tom and MWNN as trance as well...

well, ATRC is trance in this decade


Posted by ONION on Oct-12-2004 16:49:

quote:
Originally posted by Subtle
maybe.. but trance has changed since these times.. I bet you consider Commander Tom and MWNN as trance as well...

well, ATRC is trance in this decade


MWNN is goa / psy which i also like

Commander Tomm = Shit


Posted by Vizay on Oct-12-2004 17:50:

and enya is techno (at least to me!) just drop that boring and neverending discussion before it gets out of hand

onion: to be honest it doesn't matter what you think is trance or not. Of course you can have your own opinion about ATRC. I mean hey everyone can't think the same about everything.

What you can't do is say what's trance and not, youre not the one stating the standards for trance. It's the majority of listeners that do that.

ATRC is trance because the majority of the listeners would class it as trance so just swallow it like a man and try to realize the hard truth


Posted by ZxZDeViLZxZ on Oct-12-2004 19:50:

their tracks are shit their structure is no good and its all rather cheaply made. yes sometiems they do an odd thing good but to stand by them 100% and knowing full on that they drift into the cheeze section merely to make a profit is sicking. im not a knob i just state my opion and stand by my opions full on. you dont like it dont bitch just becuase i offended you. we arent 10 year olds we dont ahve to pissed off becuase one or two people dont like what you say is amazing.

now in reguards to comments of what ahve you done and you cant produce anyhting good. i personally enver said i can produce hell all my shit sounds like it was made on a 2yos toy and a radioshack brand keyboard. so ohh well, atleast i dont suck everyones asshole so they will think im cool and an amazing person. so dont fucking whine like a little shit becuase i offend you. and yes they are shit their tracks dont have flow most the time and they are very into putting out as many as they can simple so they will get plasterd everywhere. given its brillant advertisement, but we arent talking about that here we are talking about music and a passion to make it. if you want a big profit gain get some skanky bitches who can sing and produce 3minute pop tracks taht consists of 4measure hooks and do it that way. dont flood your shittie shit onto people who dont fucken care.

now fuck it like my opion or not i dont give a shit just before you go and hate becuase i have an opion take a second and to relise how fucken stupid you look for attacking someones opion. your worse then a spoiled 10year old........ when they do somethign good i compliment it but the shit has been so crappy taht ive pretty much stoped listening to anyhting they do. as with most well known artists these days they ahve good tracks they have bad ones i just think its more so pop then anything else.

ohh and your right i might be a knob but atleast i dont suck peoples assholes so they think im cool, im sure if the majority was goign at not liking them youd probly say they were crap instead of saying how inventive they are and all this other shit..... fucking poser fanboy


Posted by DJ_Silverstone1 on Oct-12-2004 20:35:

Jester

man your always a sucker for spelling devil haha


Posted by Limit on Oct-12-2004 20:46:

to put it plain and simple...who gives a fuck!
Everybody shut up and go get laid.


Posted by Vizay on Oct-12-2004 20:49:

devil first off, don't rack down on popproducing. It's not as easy as you want to think it is.

if it's your own opinion that they suck then so be it, it's your opinion and you should of course stick to that!

what I don't like is when you are saying all that about G&D without even knowing them. How do you know that their only goal is to make shitloads of money? How can you know a single bit of their intensions with making music?

it's people like you that get evil rumors started and going without any grounds to them


[edit]
devil you might wanna read through what you write the next time you post, was a mess trying to figure out what you meant at first *friendly advice*


Posted by JayBee on Oct-12-2004 21:21:

quote:
Originally posted by Subtle
WTF???

what is really wrong with Gabriel & Dresden..

I really enjoy their work.. they make cool trance and progressive tracks and remixes.. I dont understand the anti-hype at all... I mean... As The Rush Comes was a really fresh and innovative track..

hmm.. I smell cheese in this topic

well because of the famous-syndrome I guess, 2 reasons.

#1 the people that disslike(because they have different taste) the music send taunting messages about their music because the creator is famous and then the creators don't have fealings any more, they'r just icons.

#2 just because the creator is famous they taunt them to show everyone else and themselves that they are unique and/or rebellious.



EDIT: devil: I had a hard time understanding the original post of this thread but I'm pretty sure it's not about venting your opinion of G&D. like vizay said; thats your opinion. it's just a matter of personal taste. there is no purpose of posting negative messages here. in that case start a new thread "101 reasons why G&D sucks"


Posted by torontotrance on Oct-12-2004 22:01:

quote:
Originally posted by ZxZDeViLZxZ
their tracks are shit their structure is no good and its all rather cheaply made. yes sometiems they do an odd thing good but to stand by them 100% and knowing full on that they drift into the cheeze section merely to make a profit is sicking. im not a knob i just state my opion and stand by my opions full on. you dont like it dont bitch just becuase i offended you. we arent 10 year olds we dont ahve to pissed off becuase one or two people dont like what you say is amazing.

now in reguards to comments of what ahve you done and you cant produce anyhting good. i personally enver said i can produce hell all my shit sounds like it was made on a 2yos toy and a radioshack brand keyboard. so ohh well, atleast i dont suck everyones asshole so they will think im cool and an amazing person. so dont fucking whine like a little shit becuase i offend you. and yes they are shit their tracks dont have flow most the time and they are very into putting out as many as they can simple so they will get plasterd everywhere. given its brillant advertisement, but we arent talking about that here we are talking about music and a passion to make it. if you want a big profit gain get some skanky bitches who can sing and produce 3minute pop tracks taht consists of 4measure hooks and do it that way. dont flood your shittie shit onto people who dont fucken care.

now fuck it like my opion or not i dont give a shit just before you go and hate becuase i have an opion take a second and to relise how fucken stupid you look for attacking someones opion. your worse then a spoiled 10year old........ when they do somethign good i compliment it but the shit has been so crappy taht ive pretty much stoped listening to anyhting they do. as with most well known artists these days they ahve good tracks they have bad ones i just think its more so pop then anything else.

ohh and your right i might be a knob but atleast i dont suck peoples assholes so they think im cool, im sure if the majority was goign at not liking them youd probly say they were crap instead of saying how inventive they are and all this other shit..... fucking poser fanboy


where are your tracks? post a few, I want to see how great they are. I'll hype you as the next big thing, if they are great but I reckon if they were the greatest, they would have been already signed.

Dave Dresden does not care about others trashing him. He is getting gigs and he is getting a lot of remix work. You realize that he was already making money in the industry, long before most people got into this. He was tongy's PR scout for FFRR and he was the one that got Wave 3 signed. I may not enjoy G&D's music these days but at least I respect them, they put in countless hours making and perfecting their craft and people enjoy it. So I think Dresden is a happy man, he is making money, people enjoy what he does and he is getting validation. I may dislike Armin, PvD and Tiesto these days but those guys worked their asses off to help push the scene where it is today and all of them are responsible for some of the greatest times of my life.


Posted by torontotrance on Oct-12-2004 22:14:

but if you are going to rate it as childish, then I rather see you back it up. This is afterall, the production forum, where it is about making tracks. Who says I'm talking shit? You have not given me a valid reason behind any of your points. How do you know they don't spend days in the studio for remixes?. You can trash Dresden, all you want but anytime someone goes on about quality of tracks, I rather see what they can make.


Posted by ZxZDeViLZxZ on Oct-12-2004 22:14:

they might not be all about making money maybe they just dont care to put forthe effort. ohh and about the tracks said didnt i state my tracks are shit and that what i can do production wise has nothing to do. and no my first post was nothing more then me laughing at the question and the response... i just felt it was needed for me to clearfy for people who get offended so easily. and what the fuck does it matter what vie done or not done that doesnt change the way i rate production quality. because i produce at a kindergarden leveal means i dont know anyhting about production quality? come on here if your going to talk shit atleast dont be so stupid about it. riding an pony becuase it used to be good is never gonna let you win the race. as i stated theyve done good but recently its been shit as with alot of people that have been aroudn for a while it just happens its kinda the trendy thing to do these days aparently....


Posted by torontotrance on Oct-12-2004 22:16:

I love your poor analogies. It was the way that you stated the whole thing, which was why others attacked you, I reckon. As I stated earlier, I doubt Dresden really gives a damn about other people's hatred of him.


Posted by ZxZDeViLZxZ on Oct-12-2004 22:25:

what points do you want. the non variation of their production the lack of fullness to the track the way its overally repeative or the way that the sounds are recycled from thier previous tracks and stick mostly sound the same. this is mostly to all their recent tracks.


Posted by Sunquest on Oct-12-2004 22:26:

G AND D OWN U


end of discussion.


Posted by Jessica.S on Oct-12-2004 22:29:

g&d are such simple music! the basslines are all the same. i dont know how anybody can listen to it.

quote:

<[FxP]aplz> its like weed
<[FxP]aplz> its the gateway to edm



Posted by Sunquest on Oct-12-2004 22:34:

bah
when u guys start producing, then u talk whos shit and whos not
otherwise, ...


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