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Originally posted by flavdave The purpose of providing a link to the site was not to encourage file sharing but rather to inform producers, including many amateur producers from TA, that their tracks were being sold. This is so those producers/labels can take action as they see fit.

Sweet, can I post a shitload of websites with free downloads so that producers can see? I wouldn't be encouraging filesharing. Just informing the producers that their tracks are being shared illegaly.

Well now you are just being an ass about this.

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Originally posted by flavdave Well now you are just being an ass about this.

Insults are often resorted to when one is made a fool of and wishes to go down kicking and screaming. Logically, legally, and by the moderators own written rules this thread should have been deleted. Unless you can explain to me how this website is in any way more damaging to producers than a combination of others that offer the same thing for free and are not allowed to be spoken of.

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Originally posted by Radagast Insults are often resorted to when one is made a fool of and wishes to go down kicking and screaming. Logically, legally, and by the moderators own unwritten rules this thread should have been deleted. Unless you can explain to me how this website is in any way more damaging to producers than a combination of others that offer the same thing for free and are not allowed to be spoken of.

JetGroove is a website proporting to be a legal download store, and they are tricking users into thinking otherwise with a professional design, false press releases, and straight up lies about their ties with record companies. You know full well that the damage being done here is that this "company" is trying to make money off tracks that they do not have the rights to distribute. It is not any more illegal than websites that distribute these tracks for free.

What are you trying to accomplish here? Are you trying to justify posting links to free filesharing websites? You can find them easily enough without consulting TA. It is stated clearly in the forum rules why TA prohibits filesharing.

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Originally posted by flavdave JetGroove is a website proporting to be a legal download store, and they are tricking users into thinking otherwise with a professional design, false press releases, and straight up lies about their ties with record companies. You know full well that the damage being done here is that this "company" is trying to make money off tracks that they do not have the rights to distribute. It is not any more illegal than websites that distribute these tracks for free.

Especially when they claim that the tracks are all licensed and the artists are being compensated. I can assure you that one of Terry's tracks is not licensed or it would have been released a long time ago. I am 100% positive that he is NOT being compensated nor was he ever asked for permission to sell his tracks on there...especially one that he could get in trouble for. Sucks to trust people and then see that someone would leak a track for profit.

Radagast...there is no point in pitching a fit about the thread subject. It will fall onto deaf ears. You don't always have to try to prove that your thoughts and feelings are right. It takes less energy just to pass up a thread. I don't see how this effects you. Unless you are incredibly bored and need something to do just let it go for once. Hmmm...even if you are bored...just let it go.

Damn! Even Im not a producer, that pisses me off seriously! Those lame bastards should be shot!

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Originally posted by flavdave JetGroove is a website proporting to be a legal download store, and they are tricking users into thinking otherwise with a professional design, false press releases, and straight up lies about their ties with record companies.

So?

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You know full well that the damage being done here is that this "company" is trying to make money off tracks that they do not have the rights to distribute.

Whether they're making money or not is irrelevant. It's illegal whether or no they sell the tracks as you stated:

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It is not any more illegal than websites that distribute these tracks for free.

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What are you trying to accomplish here? Are you trying to justify posting links to free filesharing websites? You can find them easily enough without consulting TA. It is stated clearly in the forum rules why TA prohibits filesharing.

I'm wondering why one illegal filesharing website is stickied at the top while other, more serious ones are not allowed anywhere. I don't know about you but I didn't and wouldn't have know about this site until this guy posted it and I saw it advertised in big bold letters stickeyed at the top of the forums. Can you find me a banner or other type of ad on an unrelated website that advertises this website? Probably not. It's spread by word of mouth, and having it at the top of the forums brings it to more people's attention. The record companies and/or producers only need one tip to know that this site exists. If you wanted Dave Dresden, Haak, Elevation, Globalgirl, etc... to know shouldn't you have pm'd them, thereby keeping word of this site from spreading to more people who might be stupid enough to buy Mp3 tracks from it?

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Originally posted by trancebrat Radagast...there is no point in pitching a fit about the thread subject.

Asking a question =! pitching a fit

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It will fall onto deaf ears.

You heard me pretty well it seems.

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You don't always have to try to prove that your thoughts and feelings are right.

I wasn't aware that I always do.

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It takes less energy just to pass up a thread.

It takes just as much to pass up the quote button.

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I don't see how this effects you.

I can see how this thread effects producers. What are the numbers on the amount of people buying from that site? �'d bet they shot up quite a bit since this thread was posted. Prolly would have been wiser to just PM the producers who frequent these forums. Sites like this are spread by word of mouth. You (not you specifically) probably brought them quite a bit of business by posting threads about their site here and on the GU forums. Probably T.NU, TAW, and every other electronic music related website soon if not already.

At least if I want to know where to buy illegal tracks I now know to look first at the top of TA music discussion for big bold letters and a message giving me the URL.

1. Illegal sites like these are spread by word of mouth.
2. There are many legal and illegal alternatives to this site.
3. The other alternative sites to this which have free MP3's and which are even more damaging than this site are not allowed to be posted, yet this one is stickied.

Now how does people buying the tracks make this site any more damaging than a site which offers it for free? It's a simple question. So far people avoid answering it and say "stfu". I think the answer is that this site is no more damaging to artists than the alternatives, but somehow for some reason the fact that the people are making money off of it gives you all some kind of intangible anger and sense of revenge. You who probably are sitting in a chatroom in a P2P program downloading tracks as I type this. Heh. I wish someone would answer my question with a valid and relevant answer instead of avoiding it or insulting me. Or telling me that I "know" something. If I knew I wouldn't have asked, but saying that IS a good way of avoiding having to answer the question.

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Originally posted by Radagast 1. Illegal sites like these are spread by word of mouth. 2. There are many legal and illegal alternatives to this site. 3. The other alternative sites to this which have free MP3's and which are even more damaging than this site are not allowed to be posted, yet this one is stickied. Now how does people buying the tracks make this site any more damaging than a site which offers it for free? It's a simple question. So far people avoid answering it and say "stfu". I think the answer is that this site is no more damaging to artists than the alternatives, but somehow for some reason the fact that the people are making money off of it gives you all some kind of intangible anger and sense of revenge. You who probably are sitting in a chatroom in a P2P program downloading tracks as I type this. Heh. I wish someone would answer my question with a valid and relevant answer instead of avoiding it or insulting me. Or telling me that I "know" something. If I knew I wouldn't have asked, but saying that IS a good way of avoiding having to answer the question.

It is more damaging than sites that offer it for free. It tries to cheat people that buy from it by pretending it is legitimate, something you don't see in random illegal mp3 sites. Most likely the majority of the people that will buy tracks from there want to compensate the artist with some money, instead the artist gets zero.

It also damages the credibility of the whole pay-for-mp3s sites, what if these starting popping out everywhere, how will people distinguish them from legitimate sites like Beatport and Audiojelly? This is a new kind of hoax we haven't seen before, and people must be warned about it. Both the downloaders and the producers. And while it may not be more illegal to sell the tracks without permission instead of doing it for free, i think it's morally more wrong...

aaarghhhhhhhh.. it has my remix of force of gravity on there

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Originally posted by Radagast 1. Illegal sites like these are spread by word of mouth. 2. There are many legal and illegal alternatives to this site. 3. The other alternative sites to this which have free MP3's and which are even more damaging than this site are not allowed to be posted, yet this one is stickied. Now how does people buying the tracks make this site any more damaging than a site which offers it for free? It's a simple question. So far people avoid answering it and say "stfu". I think the answer is that this site is no more damaging to artists than the alternatives, but somehow for some reason the fact that the people are making money off of it gives you all some kind of intangible anger and sense of revenge. You who probably are sitting in a chatroom in a P2P program downloading tracks as I type this. Heh. I wish someone would answer my question with a valid and relevant answer instead of avoiding it or insulting me. Or telling me that I "know" something. If I knew I wouldn't have asked, but saying that IS a good way of avoiding having to answer the question.

You're obviously not a producer...

How would you feel if someone stole your work and sold it, claimed it was legally obtained and didn't give you the share that's rightfully yours? They are selling stuff that is not theirs to sell. You've gotta be pretty damn ignorant (or just arguing for arguments sake, like you usually are) to claim it's not hurting anyone any more than any other file sharing site. It not only hurts the artists but it wrecks the credibility of legit file sharing services for good.

I know it's completely useless to even say these things to you since you won't accept anyone's views but your own but eh...

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Originally posted by Radagast 1. Illegal sites like these are spread by word of mouth. 2. There are many legal and illegal alternatives to this site. 3. The other alternative sites to this which have free MP3's and which are even more damaging than this site are not allowed to be posted, yet this one is stickied. Now how does people buying the tracks make this site any more damaging than a site which offers it for free? It's a simple question. So far people avoid answering it and say "stfu". I think the answer is that this site is no more damaging to artists than the alternatives, but somehow for some reason the fact that the people are making money off of it gives you all some kind of intangible anger and sense of revenge. You who probably are sitting in a chatroom in a P2P program downloading tracks as I type this. Heh. I wish someone would answer my question with a valid and relevant answer instead of avoiding it or insulting me. Or telling me that I "know" something. If I knew I wouldn't have asked, but saying that IS a good way of avoiding having to answer the question.

do us a favour, stick 2 screwdrivers up your nose and headbutt a table This matter affects many people here which is why it's stickied as the easiest way to take out wankers like this is by spreading word of it so producers can band together for action. You'd feel differently if it affected anything you'd ever done, then again nobody would pay for that stuff cos anything affiliated with you is not even worth the 2 cents that you try to bring. Quit being a troll and totally moving away from the point here as this seriously affects the people involved, many of whom are close friends of mine, but then again you probably don't even know what a 'friend' is you worthless sack of shit

You're being quite insensitive Radagast, and I suggest you stop posting your drivel and instead realise this simple fact: this thread is intended to make trancEaddict's community of amateur producers aware that a web site is selling their productions. These are tracks which the producers have shared in good faith as free downloads. JetGroove.com does not have the right to generate money from other people's work without permission.

That's what this thread is about. It is not a debate about trancEaddict's stance on file-sharing - that rule isn't open to debate. If you wish to discuss file-sharing, then I suggest you do it elsewhere.

As I was scrolling down page one I just knew that either Radagast or Laushinameee would troll all over this thread & generally act like an attention-seeking waste of space; it had to be one of them.

Oh well, such is life.

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Originally posted by Radagast 1. Illegal sites like these are spread by word of mouth. 2. There are many legal and illegal alternatives to this site. 3. The other alternative sites to this which have free MP3's and which are even more damaging than this site are not allowed to be posted, yet this one is stickied. Now how does people buying the tracks make this site any more damaging than a site which offers it for free? It's a simple question. So far people avoid answering it and say "stfu". I think the answer is that this site is no more damaging to artists than the alternatives, but somehow for some reason the fact that the people are making money off of it gives you all some kind of intangible anger and sense of revenge. You who probably are sitting in a chatroom in a P2P program downloading tracks as I type this. Heh. I wish someone would answer my question with a valid and relevant answer instead of avoiding it or insulting me. Or telling me that I "know" something. If I knew I wouldn't have asked, but saying that IS a good way of avoiding having to answer the question.

It could be more damaging to an artist like Terry. If you read on those assholes FAQ's page you will see that it is the fact that they are SELLING the tracks and that the fact that they are SELLING tracks that they claim are LICENSED and that the artist is being COMPENSATED. I have no clue why it is so hard for you to understand, but in Terry's case those statements alone could get him SUED. A track that has samples from another artist's track that is copyrighted needs clearance first before it can be sold for profit. Just because Terry remixed a track for FUN does not mean that another company should be able to SELL UNRELEASED track's to the public for their own personal profit with the public under the impression that this track is an actual LICENSED RELEASE and that the artist is being COMPENSATED for that sale. Don't you think that if Terry didn't give a shit about his track that he would have already had an MP3 release by now and the person to do the release would have been him?

Are you following me now or do I need to spell it out to you some more?

guys stop giving this twat the time of day. he's only posting cos you keep responding.

I agree. It's apparent that he could give a shit about the artists music that he DL's. Makes me wonder why he even bothered becoming a TA.

i just cannot comprehend the stupidity of the people behind that website.

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Originally posted by trancebrat I agree. It's apparent that he could give a shit about the artists music that he DL's. Makes me wonder why he even bothered becoming a TA.

I just don't think he could get his head around the fact that regardless of the fact it's offering illegal music, it was posted with intent of informing the artists and getting something done about it. Same would go had it been offering them for free; the thread itself is not promoting filesharing.

This is unbelievable, I don't understand it, because they have obviously put alot of tiem and effort into the site and the design etc.... but surely they must have known they would get caught and shut down!

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Originally posted by Radagast I'm just wondering why this illegal file sharing website is allowed to be displayed while one that will let me download the same tracks for free isn't.

Because this is blatantly a warning to labels and producers to contact their lawyers to stop this site, not to advertise the fact and do yet more abuse to the state of the industry

Here is the details of the domain name,

Registrant:
Jetgroove, LLP (JETGROOVE-COM-DOM)
Suite 12, 3rd floor, Queens House,
180 Tottenham Court Road
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+440.8700684866
[email protected][/email]

Domain Name: JETGROOVE.COM

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Suite 12, 3rd floor, Queens House,
180 Tottenham Court Road
London,
United Kingdom
+440.8700684866

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180 Tottenham Court Road
London,
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