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Originally posted by Q5echo your damn right we can! you can't hide from the fact that you have no rational explaination for what appears on the internet. so you start crying conspiracy. Quite sad, really.

Q, I hope you understand that I view these conspiracies against either candidate in a half-jocular manner. If, indeed, any of these come to fruition, I'd be damn surprised. I highly doubt anything will come about from this. But I do feel that turnabout is fair play on you Conservatives every now and then. For example, I'm sure you were familiar with Drudge comin' out and trying to demonstrate whether or not Kerry flipped out a "cheat sheet" during the 1st debate. As it turned out, that backfired on him:

http://www.dailyrecycler.com/blog/2...ever-cheat.html

Not only did it turn out that Kerry had a pen (thanks be to Fox News of all places):

http://www.dailyrecycler.com/blog/2...ery-solved.html

But if you view Bush instead of Kerry in that film, you'll actually see Bush flipping out a paper of sorts. What the hell was that?

Anyways, no, I don't deem it as terribly pertinent, nor do I think it will go very far. So don't worry, I doubt the liberal bloggers will get your man much further on this.

Still kinda fun, though.

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Originally posted by 3xx3r7 Well, there's always rumors on internets.

lol

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 And finally, what's that behind Bush's tie (just above his left hand)?: Interesting, ain't it?

obviously you've never worn a tie before

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Q, I hope you understand that I view these conspiracies against either candidate in a half-jocular manner. If, indeed, any of these come to fruition, I'd be damn surprised. I highly doubt anything will come about from this. But I do feel that turnabout is fair play on you Conservatives every now and then. For example, I'm sure you were familiar with Drudge comin' out and trying to demonstrate whether or not Kerry flipped out a "cheat sheet" during the 1st debate. As it turned out, that backfired on him: http://www.dailyrecycler.com/blog/2...ever-cheat.html Not only did it turn out that Kerry had a pen (thanks be to Fox News of all places): http://www.dailyrecycler.com/blog/2...ery-solved.html But if you view Bush instead of Kerry in that film, you'll actually see Bush flipping out a paper of sorts. What the hell was that? Anyways, no, I don't deem it as terribly pertinent, nor do I think it will go very far. So don't worry, I doubt the liberal bloggers will get your man much further on this. Still kinda fun, though.

I find it terribly funny that you went to all the trouble of writing such an intelligent post using words like jocular and fruition when at the same time the context of said post was on Kerry having a pen and Bush having extra paper. Egads! No! Those cheaters!

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Originally posted by josh4 obviously you've never worn a tie before

Obviously you don't see the little cable behind the tie...

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Originally posted by LiquidX Obviously you don't see the little cable behind the tie...

ask yourself the question: whats more plausible, that the President of the United States would risk the election by wearing a wire (such a visible one at that) OR

its not a cable its the smaller second half of the tie that goes in back

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Originally posted by LiquidX Obviously you don't see the little cable behind the tie...

it's not a cable, you @#$%T%^%!

your gettin fished in like so much tuna!

it's a crease in his shirt!

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Originally posted by josh4 I find it terribly funny that you went to all the trouble of writing such an intelligent post using words like jocular and fruition when at the same time the context of said post was on Kerry having a pen and Bush having extra paper. Egads! No! Those cheaters!

Always glad to give you a chuckle.

I'll assume you didn't know the true context of what I posted, so I'll indulge you quickly and give you a quick background:

Immediately after the 1st debate, Mr. Drudge posted a quick flick on Kerry, and had someone speculate as to what exactly Kerry flipped out of his hand. Drudge, being the evil speculative genious that he is, insinuated that Kerry was possibly cheating - because under the strict guidelines of the debates, no extra sheets of paper could be used other than the clear sheets of paper on the podiums for the debators to write notes on.

Well not only was it clearly shown that Kerry wasn't cheating, because he had a pin withdrawn instead of some sheet of paper, but it seems as though it was, ironically, Bush who had drawn out and unfolded a piece of paper that had come from his side pocket. Hence, the irony of Drudge actually possibly busting his own personal candidate. And hence, my turnabout is fair-play sentiment about demonstrating how Bush may have possibly be cheating not in one, but two debates so far.

Now you can take that for what it's worth (not much, I'll assume), but personally I just like pointing out the lovely irony and contradiction of the conservative media/mouthpieces, and turning the tables a bit on them. But do I personally think much of this issue enough to cry "foul!" and take off my tin foil hat here?

As I stated earlier, my answer is a resounding, "no". And that answer would be the same for either candidate, and the supposed conspiracy theories surrounding both.

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Originally posted by josh4 ask yourself the question: whats more plausible, that the President of the United States would risk the election by wearing a wire (such a visible one at that) OR its not a cable its the smaller second half of the tie that goes in back

Well I'll bite on this a bit further -

Let's say that it is the smaller second 1/2 of the tie. Take a close look at that supposed cable/smaller 2nd 1/2 - now tell me, have you ever seen a smaller 2nd 1/2 of a tie so gosh darn thin? I mean, it's almost cable thin!

Oops, did I just say that?

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Oops, did I just say that?

I thought you were supposed to be intelligent.

well then, you can also see the other side of the tie-stay on his right side. along with some video artifact going across the tops of his left fingers.

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Originally posted by josh4 I thought you were supposed to be intelligent.

Oh goodness, you are oh sooo cute when you're being jocular!

Intelligent, you say? Christ man, who told you? Stick around, you'll see just how silly, uhh intelligent I can get!

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Originally posted by Q5echo well then, you can also see the other side of the tie-stay on his right side. along with some video artifact going across the tops of his left fingers.

Well I'll accept that the tie-stay is by his left fingers, as you pointed out, but is that to say that the 2nd 1/2 of his tie fell out of the tie-stay? If so, I'll go with that too. But that still doesn't answer my conspiracist question as to why his 2nd 1/2 of his tie is so, err umm, (*chuckle*) cable thin. I mean, sheesh, that 2nd smaller half looks like you could practically floss your teeth with it, man! So wassup wi'dat?

well it's obviously blurry due to the quality of the video, combined with the quality of the capture. essentially, we're dealing with a frame capture of 480 lines of interlaced resolution during motion. you'll get most of the image (but not all) then some bleed over from the previous frame. poor quality in other words.

it looks as if the tie-stay, if it is a tie-stay, connects to the trousers right above the right and left belt loops.

Re: Did Bush Have a radio receiver taped to his back On 1st Debate??

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Originally posted by LiquidX

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf

I pick this one! But they did deny he was wearing a vest..

i think it's safe to say that anything having to do with the safety and security of the President, the Secret Service will mis-inform.

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Originally posted by Q5echo i think it's safe to say that anything having to do with the safety and security of the President, the Secret Service will mis-inform.

Bush threw out the first pitch at our new baseball stadium in Milwaukee a few years ago. He wore a vest, and when he threw out the pitch, you could really see it. The press asked about it, the Secret Service denied it.

naturally. it's just good policy and completely understandable.

So we're all agreed. If it was anything it was a vest and MisterOpus1 is wrong.

and the wire is part of his clip-on tie.

Mr. Opus you are hilarious! Well at least with paranoid ppl like you around there is always something to laugh about. However, if you ever hope to get ppl to take you seriously you need to clear you head out first. The serious conspiracy theorists are a bit more rational. I have not read this whole thread but half of it and I love it! I think if Pres. Bush even picks his nose the wrong way, to people like you it's part of a conspiracy! LOL. Ooops, better not give you any more wacky ideas lol!

First, I completely agree that the Pres. is wearing body armor. Wouldn't you if you were the pres. and responsible for killing many terrorist around the world??! I certainly would. Did you see an earpiece in his ear too???? how else was he going to hear anything without that??? huh??

As far a the tie thing, give me a friggin break. Ever thought that maybe it could be a wire, thats right!! ever notice he was using a remote mic in that photo??? maybe its part of the mic transmitter. Or again it could just be his tie! Oh but that isn't as mysterious and exciting hmmm... oh well. welcome to reality.

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Originally posted by tecnolover Mr. Opus you are hilarious! Well at least with paranoid ppl like you around there is always something to laugh about. However, if you ever hope to get ppl to take you seriously you need to clear you head out first.

Boy this little issue sure got you conservatives' pantyhose all bunched up, didn't it? Ya see, this is why I come here! Why is this riling you guys up so much? You really think this is a pertinent issue? Are you guys actually worried that this will take center stage? Or are we arguing just for argument sake? Hey, I'm game, but just keep in mind what I said earlier:

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Anyways, no, I don't deem it as terribly pertinent, nor do I think it will go very far. So don't worry, I doubt the liberal bloggers will get your man much further on this. Still kinda fun, though.

Oh, BTW, welcome to the political forum, sir.

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The serious conspiracy theorists are a bit more rational.

Hmm, that made sense, uhh, I think.

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I have not read this whole thread but half of it and I love it! I think if Pres. Bush even picks his nose the wrong way, to people like you it's part of a conspiracy! LOL. Ooops, better not give you any more wacky ideas lol!

Well, now that I think of it, he could be just adjusting his receiver that's stuck waaay up in his nose.

That or he's just trying to wipe off the coke flakes off his nose. Can't really tell without a good closeup.

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First, I completely agree that the Pres. is wearing body armor. Wouldn't you if you were the pres. and responsible for killing many terrorist around the world??!

Hey technolover, did ya catch this little BBC tidbit earlier in the thread?:

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The Bush campaign dismissed the claims, saying it was just a wrinkle in the presidential jacket. It also denied some web reports that Mr Bush was wearing a bullet-proof vest. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3730364.stm

Happy reading!

Oh, and BTW, even if Bush did have a vest on, shouldn't that also logically imply that Kerry should be wearing one too? Sooo, why do we not see one on Kerry?

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I certainly would. Did you see an earpiece in his ear too???? how else was he going to hear anything without that??? huh??

Maybe it's up his nose?

Seriously, well 1/2 seriously, there are earpieces that are incredibly small and thin and are not noticeable in TV Land. That's just modern technology.

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As far a the tie thing, give me a friggin break. Ever thought that maybe it could be a wire, thats right!! ever notice he was using a remote mic in that photo??? maybe its part of the mic transmitter.

Strictly against the rules, and they do not allow a remote mic anyway because of possible interference with the mic they are holding. It also helps keep them from speaking out of turn. The only mic they have was the one they were holding.

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Or again it could just be his tie!

A cable thin tie? You ever see a second 1/2 of a tie so thin? Eh?

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Oh but that isn't as mysterious and exciting hmmm... oh well. welcome to reality.

Are you okay? You wanna cup of warm milk or somethin'? Goodness, you really should calm down over this! People might think you Bush-supporters are panicking or somethin'. Really now, it's okay if your man needs a little help. That's nothin' new from the past 4 years or anything.

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Originally posted by josh4 So we're all agreed. If it was anything it was a vest and MisterOpus1 is wrong.

*cough* *cough*

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The Bush campaign dismissed the claims, saying it was just a wrinkle in the presidential jacket. It also denied some web reports that Mr Bush was wearing a bullet-proof vest. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3730364.stm

*cough*

This is still news? Look it's either a bullet proof vest or a wrinkle in his jacket. If it is a bullet proof vest, Bush is not going to admit that it was because what kind of impression would that give off if he can't freely mingle with the public without fear of attacks? Therefore the fact that his campaign is denying that it is a vest doesn't eliminate it from being the cultprit.

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