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1st degree bb in Kempo, going on to to year 8.


currently fooling around with ninjitsu

did tae kwon do for 2 years when i was younger, and now i want to do something else..something more serious i guess. i'm 200 pounds (about 95 kilos i think) and big..suggestions?

Heh, it seems that a lot of people do Tae Kwon Do. I do something similar called Tang Soo Do. Like most people I guess, I'd definately recommend starting that martial art. I've been practicing for about three years now, although being at uni hasn't helped much as there are no classes.

My instructor is a 4th Dan Master, and to be quite honest, he's a beast. You wouldn't think so to look at him, but christ, if you knew him, you wouldnt be starting any fights with him down the pub...

I did have some pics, but I've lost them.

I'm a green belt atm, and have been since I started uni. Having said that, anyone who trains under my instructor is said to better than most others of that grade, so I'm quite proud to be his student lol.

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Originally posted by nuBe did tae kwon do for 2 years when i was younger, and now i want to do something else..something more serious i guess. i'm 200 pounds (about 95 kilos i think) and big..suggestions?

One thing that I would say is that despite the physical activity, most martial arts are no good whatsoever for losing weight. The best thing to do would be to join a gym for a few months before you join, to get rid of as much excess fat as possible. Martial arts will keep you fit in other ways, but they wont help much for losing weight.

If joining the gym doesn't tickle your fancy, maybe you could join an art that emphasises more on technique rather than fighting. Arts that use weapons are often slow and involve little physical effort, but they quite often hone your co-ordination, self-dicipline and confidence. And they'd make a good starting point if you wished to move on and do something more physical.

if i can learn any martial arts in the world, it would be

Jeet Kun Do

I've heard before that Kempo Karate was a very hard-style martial art that took full advantage of your strength, size and weight. If you're 200 pounds, don't expect to be getting off the ground a lot in styles such as TaeKwonDo that emphasize a lot of atheletic jumping-kicks and the like. I would recommend something like judo or some other form of grappling for self-defense. If you're more slanted towards the martial arts that emphasize artistic expression and beautiful, flowery moves such as those found in Wushu Kung Fu, I'd recommend losing some of that weight if you can. Weight-training is always a good idea, though - nobody wants to mess with somebody who's ripped! (even though being muscular does not necessarily make you a good fighter). It really comes down to what you're interested in the martial arts for, initially. Though once you get a feel for what it's about, your priorites might change a bit

I'm surprised that no one mentioned the most sacred and powerful Martial Art of them all, Tae Bo.

Have you guys ever seen the French Open Martial Arts Gala?

Its in paris, and you see the most UNbelievable things... Every year Eurosport shows it here in Holland and its wicked everytime. Some of these artist are AMAZING.

i would love to be able to do martial arts lol, obsessed with the films neway!

Why dont you start? Anyone can do it!

cuz its expensive LMAO!!

Well for most people then again.. what are the probabilities you'll ever encounter a big situation where you actually get into a real fight (unless you expect it)?

I've trained in Aiki Jujitsu 4 years and 2 years of Jeet Kune Do. Only big fight I had in my life was some annoying ass guy who wanted to mack my sister everyday which was kinda unfair lol really no challenge.. but seriously.. you would only take this if one.. your being bullied and unsure of your safety.. two.. if your absolutley obssessed with fighthing that includes tournaments.. and three to stay healthy and defined in a way..

I haven't taken any classes after that.. I've been just practicing the necessary things to defend yourself.. the probablity of encoutering somebody thats as of a high status as you is when he really wants to fight. We were all trained to "defend ourselves and not use it if its not a life and death situation" well traditionally.

Right now.. majority people take it to become ego and be all that and say I know martial arts and I can kick your ass sorta shindig. Practially the same thing that went on in the 80s. The whole karate kid act lol..

If you want to do what the guys do in the movies you might as well take wushu which is practically more on entertainment then fighting. They will train you how to make all those flying moves etc.. and also in a way.. use it to defend yourself but its really just for show.

Yeah, I was in a B movie a few years back. Got beat up by that Chinese f*cker, but got the babe....Lol!!!!


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Style: Shotokan karate-do

How long: 6 months

Rank: Orange Belt 7th kyu

Recommend: definately and without a doubt.

A few years back i took Judo for 3 years and got to the rank of 1st kyu or Brown Belt and after two different organizations students was never able to take the test for 1st dan black belt as i moved away from the club.

After a couple years of sampling various Judo and Karate clubs only to find poorly organized or those with "buy-a-belt" philosophies..i finally came upon what i train in now. 1/2 a year ago i joined a JKA club in the ottawa area from which i was incredibly impressed. It represents and adheres to the common values that most martial arts share, and those who train there have the right attitude and desire to learn. I train under a 6th dan Sensei who immigrated from Japan and has taught here for close to 35 years, and have had the honor of attenting two intensive training camps under the guidance of an 8th dan grand master from the Japan Karate Association, one which was held just this past weekend in toronto.

Although quite a few martial arts enthusiasts belittle the practical methods and doctrines of Okinawan karate styles, if taught properly and used correctly they can be just as or even more deadly than other prolific modern martial arts, while still retaining their more sport-oriented aspects.

If anyone else takes shotokan or any of the other okinawan styles like wado-ryu, shorin-ryu, or goju-ryu, i'd enjoy chatting with you about it.

I go with my furious fists after half a fifth!



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when i was 13, i went to learn aikido, and accidently broke someone's shoulder with a too powerful kick, so my parents didnt let me go back there.
a year later i went to study capoeira, stayed there for a year or two, dont remember.
was plenty of fun, but i stopped it in favor of focusing completely on music.

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Originally posted by Psy-T when i was 13, i went to learn aikido, and accidently broke someone's shoulder with a too powerful kick, so my parents didnt let me go back there. a year later i went to study capoeira, stayed there for a year or two, dont remember. was plenty of fun, but i stopped it in favor of focusing completely on music.

although i've never taken it i have several friends who continue to practice aikido, and i was under the impression that it was a strikeless martial art, consisting of nearly only holds and throws so that could be reasoning for you being scolded for kicking..

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Originally posted by d0uble h3lix although i've never taken it i have several friends who continue to practice aikido, and i was under the impression that it was a strikeless martial art, consisting of nearly only holds and throws so that could be reasoning for you being scolded for kicking..

I think it was probably more the parents who objected to the injury - I know that, as an instructor, I understood the risks involved with letting children partner up together, especially when they were intermediate belts (just got some skill, not enough control )

I am under the impression that Aikido and Hapkido are very similar - just one is from Japan, and one is from Korea, respecitvely. I'm not saying that both styles are the same, I'm just saying that they're similar in the respect that they both emphasize defense with the whole body - controlled movements involving legs as much as hands and small-circle diversions. Such as deflecting a straight attack with a brushing motion in a small circle away from you - anyone know any better ? the distinction between the two, that is.

Not to come off as an asshole, but every time Ive been to martial arts classes (a lot) its filled with a coterie of girls (who just cant fight, im sorry to shatter illusions) old people, fat people, skinny people, nerds, and just generally people who nature has decreed non-combatants.


It comes down to this:

People who can fight, can fight. It doesnt matter if they never have formal training or not, theyll most likely be able to kick your ass no matter what training youve had (unless you too, are a fighter)

Ive met people from every school of training and ive never found one to be better.

Mainly because anyone whos actually been in a fight knows that its about 2 punches and then youre on the ground wrestling.

Ive seen so many people talk about their training then just start wailing on people and kicking them on the ground.

Ah well. People who havent been in street fights will get grounded one day you know when someone hasnt been in a fight when they are cocky as shit and get in your face.

Let people enter your space, dont enter others.

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Yep, NInjars are no match for the Superheroes!!!




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Originally posted by Orbax Not to come off as an asshole, but every time Ive been to martial arts classes (a lot) its filled with a coterie of girls (who just cant fight, im sorry to shatter illusions) old people, fat people, skinny people, nerds, and just generally people who nature has decreed non-combatants.

You're very right about this - but that's just the beginning. Those with enough drive can better themselves to the point of being sufficient combatants - women (in my experience observing) drop out because they see no further point to continue training. They often-times find it stupid and pointless to be the best at anything, it's just lack of comparable competitive nature I suppose. In that respect, women are smarter because they drop out of the game before they can get beat-down. But in the end, it's always those pig-headed men who get back up after every trip, every fall to do it all over again. Men just tend to be stubborn, I guess - the Martial Arts are just one of those universal oddities that reward this trait As for the other people you mentioned...yea.

A lot of people join because it's an activity, or because their parents/loved ones enrolled them, etc... I find it absolutely beautiful when somebody who joined as a complete novice with an open mind rises to become something sensational. You just know it when you see those people who have transformed their bodies and their minds into something far different than when they began. The martial arts are not about combat - they are about progression. If you have limited yourself to thinking that they are all about defending yourself in a 'street-fight' then I cannot take you seriously as a martial artist. Sorry if this comes off as kinda flamey, I don't mean it to be, but at the very base of things, by the very definition thereof, The Martial Way is an art - not a mere defense tactic from the cold, hard world. Sort of a state of mind thing, I guess. Of course, this is just my opinion - all different people have all different reasons for taking up self-defense and/or the martial arts.

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It comes down to this: People who can fight, can fight. It doesnt matter if they never have formal training or not, theyll most likely be able to kick your ass no matter what training youve had (unless you too, are a fighter) Ive met people from every school of training and ive never found one to be better. Mainly because anyone whos actually been in a fight knows that its about 2 punches and then youre on the ground wrestling. Ive seen so many people talk about their training then just start wailing on people and kicking them on the ground. Ah well. People who havent been in street fights will get grounded one day you know when someone hasnt been in a fight when they are cocky as shit and get in your face. Let people enter your space, dont enter others. !

You're quite right about this as well - there are just people in this world who just have a killer instinct - the will not hesitate to beat the piss out of someone. Therein lies exactly where I believe 'winning' a fight comes from though, pure will. It takes a lot of confidence to fight another person, many people (especially in our current society) just aren't up to the task, and who can blame them? Fighting is no good for anyone, really - especially when it's between one who wants to fight and one who does not (sparring and fighting are considered 2 different situations in this case). I'm not saying that you can 'win' a fight merely by willing yourself to; it does take a degree of training/skill for some people - luckily, though, nobody wins a fight; one person goes to jail and the other to the hospital.

I do agree that people who don't know the reality of a situation tend to be cocky - especially those who have studied some martial arts before, but the best self-defense is eaither a) running b)talking your way out. So many people seem so eager to embroil themselves in a brawl, it's not surprising that such weak individuals (untrained fat kids, skinny kids, old people, women) feel the need to join the Martial arts initially.

Where did I go with this?

Yeah, i havent been in a fight in years. Im the guy at the bar who has a million people constantly coming to sit down with me because im just this friendly crazy drunk guy who knows drinking songs and likes to invite people to sit down lol.

Although, I wouldn't mind learning my aformentioned martial arts, I'm pretty much a pacifist.


However, I am a cocky shit, but usually only when provoked. I'ts funny when upperclassmen try to start shit and you just stand there smiling at them. I've found there's one phrase that scares the shit out of people. Well, it kind of changes from time to time, but this is the basic idea.

"Now, you should be asking yourself this: Should I be scared because you're in my face, or should you be scared because this isn't phasing me at all. If you feel confident, go ahead. Swing."

Then they pin you to a wall. Repeat.

Eventually, the get so annoyed the walk off. Because, face it, most people are too afraid to start shit.

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Originally posted by Pariah Cleric Because, face it, most people are too afraid to start shit.

So where will you be when you're all growed-up and you meet one of those people who is the exception?

Oh, and here's a pacifism tip for ya: nobody ever got in trouble for not saying a thing!

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Originally posted by Orbax Not to come off as an asshole, but every time Ive been to martial arts classes (a lot) its filled with a coterie of girls (who just cant fight, im sorry to shatter illusions) old people, fat people, skinny people, nerds, and just generally people who nature has decreed non-combatants.

i apologize if i've misunderstood you in any way orbax..

but i find it amazing how generalized perceptions and stereotypes have rubbed off on people and see the statement above as evidence of this.

a point that needs clarification is your wording, when you said martial arts classes, does this mean some profit organization in which a class is held according to belt level for 1 hour once a week? or an actual club in which the teacher and participants are serious about investing time and effort into learning and developing the skill sets and ideals that surround the art they train in?

I agree with some points you have made (so long as they remain in context) and a lot of what Halcyon has said as well. But id also like to add my two cents. In my opinion and experience one of the largest factors in the results of fights is: experience (this can be percieved in MANY different ways, most of which are correct).

Its easy to sit there and rant about the nature/nurture philosophy of what makes or doesn't make "people who can fight" but perhaps some other time because im too tired right now and it seems that in the end it's eventually an agree-to-disagree scenario.

My only real problem with your position is the unecessary and shortminded slander of your so called "coteries of girls". simply put, its easy to label people and make sweeping generalizations of someone and walk around like a tough guy, assuming you could take them out in a moments notice, but appearances are decieving and you know next to nothing until you've had an encounter with them. (once again i apologize if i've misunderstood you here)

You couldn't be more right about trashtalk, macho bullshit has no place anywhere and is usually evidence of inexperience and/or some severe inferiority complex. There's no need for it as all it does it escalate anger levels. The biggest and best course of action for both parties, is for you to be the better, and walk away, or diffuse the situation. If a nonviolent method does not seem to work, do not be the antagonist, wait for them to make a move, then counter, throwing the first unexpected punch is cheap and unwise.

Anyways, im sure people have problems with what I've said but Im glad we have differing opinions as it makes for interesting conversation.

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Originally posted by Orbax Not to come off as an asshole, but every time Ive been to martial arts classes (a lot) its filled with a coterie of girls (who just cant fight, im sorry to shatter illusions) old people, fat people, skinny people, nerds, and just generally people who nature has decreed non-combatants. It comes down to this: People who can fight, can fight. It doesnt matter if they never have formal training or not, theyll most likely be able to kick your ass no matter what training youve had (unless you too, are a fighter) Ive met people from every school of training and ive never found one to be better.

Different schools have different goals and thus overwhelmingly different.

A majority of the schools are ran like businesses. As a business, their primary interest is making money. The 3 month green belt program. Schools with such fixed time programs are obligated to give you rank recognition whether you deserve it or not. I am highly critical of such schools because a school's primary interest should be to the student and his personal development, whatever his pace might be.

Other schools of martial arts are more sport than
fighting. Modern styles such as TKD, judo and wushu are there for enthusiasts to break wooden boards, hip throw and execute fancy aerials. They don't focus on fighting.

Still other schools focus on fighting with rules. Some karate, Brazilian Jiu-Jutsu, and mixed styles do fight but there are certain rules such as no weapons, no biting, no eye-gouging, no fish-hooking and groin attacks. Can they be used on the streets? Of course and they can be very effective but obviously there are holes in the technique.

Lastly, a small number of schools practice classical martial arts. The techniques learned are the same ones used by the Japanese and Chinese in ancient times for personal and battlefield combat. These arts are designed to end fights as soon as possible. Finding such schools are hard to find because the Cultral Revolution of China wiped out nearly all of classic chinese martial arts and the occupying forces and new Japanese government after WWII did the same. It takes a great deal of time to be proficient at effective combat compared the standard techniques taught in special forces fighting systems. I also have no doubt "non-combatants" can be taught to fight effectively under these classical styles. If the school is worth a damn, it would also teach as much philosophy as fighting.

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