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I'm so glad that I managed to finally scrape my way through university =P

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Originally posted by Konijn Island not all public schools are cakewalks

no, not all

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Originally posted by Slylee and that's an interesting point sportrance...i guess we're just too cool and smart for everyone no but seriously, that makes a lot of sense. i definitely always think there's more to it than what it really is. i have a hard time taking things at face value myself...especially in those subjects. i feel like there's way more to it, but it's all so simple probably.

well, its true. Its not some crap I made up for myself to feel better. 23 years of struggling with mathematics, you start to figure out why you have problems with it.

Its common to. We've all seen (or been) one of those people that raises there hand, and says "ok, so you do add this, divide that, multiple that, then find the square root of that" and the teacher goes "no, you just add this # and that #". And you're like "oh........" and its so easy.

Its hard to beat, cuz its just the way you think, its your way of logic.

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Originally posted by SportTrance Please do not fail to mention that you attended a public highschool, under the united states education system requirements, before mentioning good grades, and lack of need to study.

I got bad class grades due to not doing homeworks even though I got good grades on tests. Hell I almost didn't graduate because of this. I came to the conclusion that my school at least was a piece of shit because of this.

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Originally posted by Slylee i think i'd be much better at money and business type math. it's all those formulas and equations that really stoop me. i just DON'T get it...it's bad. whoever i pick as a tutor this year better have some patience! i kept putting off that refresher course, but i need to get it over with so i can get my math courses over with....i'm not looking forward to it at all

well...business math is still a lot of equations. not as complex as calc 3 or someting hahaha, but still a lot of equations and a lot of theory behind it...

Re: well it finally caught up with me...

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Originally posted by Floorfiller so all semester so far, i've been blowing off studying...taking it easy...

= spending all day on TA


*EDIT* I'm doing "business maths" right now as a matter of fact. Hypothesis Testing :P (Statistics)

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Originally posted by Radagast I got bad class grades due to not doing homeworks even though I got good grades on tests. Hell I almost didn't graduate because of this. I came to the conclusion that my school at least was a piece of shit because of this.

yeah but thats how its supposed to be lol. There's a huge misconception that testing proves if you KNOW the material or not. But as long as humans have a thing called "short term memory", its not exactly true.

I mean you can skip class, never do homework, and AS LONG as you know WHAT material the test will be over, you can power study (aka memorize) the night before, take the test and ace it, and by the time you walk out of the room, youve forgotten everything.

Although I hate it, I think its good to give homework. Keeps you on course, and slowly injects the material into your head, whether you like it or not. Its why they give it.

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Originally posted by Radagast I agree with DImethguy. I never studied for a single test in all of High School and I scored less than a C on probably less than 2% of all of them. I didn't study for a reputedly tough test giving chemistry teacher's (I think people called him tough because all he basically did was lecture for most of the class, give occasional in class assignments and homework. Luckily for me all I had to do was listen and do a few of the in class stuff and it all stuck.) final for the year and I recieved the second highest score in the class over a girl who was constantly taking notes on the teacher's lectures, probably stayed up the night before studying, and brought the entire optional two pages of notes which I was too lazy to write or bring...I knew I wouldn't need them anyway. Material encompassing topics from the very beginning of the school year. 'course I almost failed the class because I never did the homework. Idiot ass school. English was always my favorite and best class. I liked to read so I had excellent reading comprehension and good reading speed. Grammar comes easier when you read a lot. Looking back I don't really know how accurate the scale of the test was but I was scoring with a reading comprehension level of 12th grade plus in 6th grade. Now that you all know that i'm smarter than you, please feel free to lather praise wherever you see fit. I deserve it. Seriously though I guess i'm just a fast learner like those crazy-smart Velociraptors from Jurrassic Park who figured out how to open doors and do complex trigonometry and algebraic algorithms. <---anyone know where I got that from?

Uhh, you aren't the only one. That applies to me as well, down to the "not bringing the cheat sheet to the final" thing.

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Originally posted by SportTrance well, that is exactly what im doing. Placed low on math, high in english (as always). I'm still in fucking fundamental math. You're not a moron. Our minds are just so advanced, the simplicity of math just doesnt register. We don't take anything for face value. We automatically assume there is some advanced complex hidden algorithm behind each equation, and this natural thinking distorts the simple logic necessary to get a solution.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that math is simple compared to english, or that english is simple compared to math. They're two different subjects, with (generally) different styles of thinking, although there is a good amount of crossover between the two.

In upper-level math courses the logic does get more advanced than a simple "plug this in to get this answer" kind of problem, just as in upper-level english courses the logic gets more advanced than simply saying "The author says this, but in fact really is alluding to that."

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Originally posted by SportTrance Please do not fail to mention that you attended a public highschool, under the united states education system requirements, before mentioning good grades, and lack of need to study.

If we're going to play stereotypes here, as I said I did the same thing as Radagast during high school, but I went to a private school. Does that somehow make me more qualified? Public and private are simply two different methods of funding, not two different methods of teaching.

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Originally posted by Tranc3 Uhh, you aren't the only one. That applies to me as well, down to the "not bringing the cheat sheet to the final" thing.

Then you know as well as I that girls dig huge thick juicy wet brains. Or is that zombies...like I would know the difference.

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Originally posted by SportTrance yeah but thats how its supposed to be lol. There's a huge misconception that testing proves if you KNOW the material or not. But as long as humans have a thing called "short term memory", its not exactly true. I mean you can skip class, never do homework, and AS LONG as you know WHAT material the test will be over, you can power study (aka memorize) the night before, take the test and ace it, and by the time you walk out of the room, youve forgotten everything. Although I hate it, I think its good to give homework. Keeps you on course, and slowly injects the material into your head, whether you like it or not. Its why they give it.

Like I say, I don't study for tests.

Oh boy, I have to make an animation of 11 sec. BEFORE thursday... And I have to make three storyboards, study for an mid-term in movieanalysis, arthistory and filmhistory, edit a tape....and that all before monday....

Im doing an IT/Computing course (3 year degree)

Its all coursework based so none of that power studying is needed, i find learning over time works really well for me, i take my laptop in nd listen to trance all day (as well as working obv)

I study for exams... not hugely, but I like to look at them. I can see where you guys are coming from though, if it's a class I know I'm good at and pay attention in, I can study for a bit and then I just think 'why am I doing this? I know it", then go in and pass the test with no problems. I'm talking about HS by the way, don't know what it's like at uni.


The thing is, I'm just not very good at paying attention to things that don't interest me, my mind tends to drift, so I need to do more studying for them...

The only test I take these days is the sobriety test.
If I'm still blowing hard in the morning, better call into work with some lame excuse and show up a couple hours later. Beats showing up without all your faculties... and alumnis too I reckon!

Lol!
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Originally posted by Tranc3 I wouldn't go so far as to say that math is simple compared to english, or that english is simple compared to math. They're two different subjects, with (generally) different styles of thinking, although there is a good amount of crossover between the two. In upper-level math courses the logic does get more advanced than a simple "plug this in to get this answer" kind of problem, just as in upper-level english courses the logic gets more advanced than simply saying "The author says this, but in fact really is alluding to that." If we're going to play stereotypes here, as I said I did the same thing as Radagast during high school, but I went to a private school. Does that somehow make me more qualified? Public and private are simply two different methods of funding, not two different methods of teaching.

i did no comparison what so ever between math and english. When I said "as always", it meant "as I always do".

Theres a lot of "pay your childs way" private schools also, where the students dont have to do shit. Maybe there is no difference in modesto, but in the city of houston, the difference between private and public school is incredible. From attendance, testing, overall college prep, student body, backgrounds, and so on. We have good public schools, but if youre in the inner city, I wish ya luck.

It isn't a stereotype, its a fact. The united states public highschool education system is one of the worst in the world. Sure theres variables....I know some BETTER public schools than private schools, but since majority rules, im going to make reasonable assumptions.

Let me put it this way. The college prep private school I attended, you absolutely could not pass a course, if you did not study or do your work. It would be impossible. That goes for the top of the class students, and ofcourse the bottom. Listening in class was not enough. Average homework was 4-5 hours a night. The teaching and the material is the same, its the requirements from the students that make the difference.

You'll just never be able to convince me that the average public highschool truly challenges their students, not as long as I am able to remember the dozens and dozens of blown public school kids that would come to our school everyday cuz they were skipping. Not to mention that 1/4 of the student body didnt speak english, had to work, and had a kid to take care of, yet still managed to pass with flying colors, which would be pretty much impossible at the school I attended. Thats just how it is for atleast 1/2 of the public schools in this town. It isnt just one school.

You're thinking "well, thats just your town", but thats how it is in every major city. The education board has a set standard of requirements across the nation, and too many public high schools barely meet it. I'm sure many public schools exceed it, but i'll never be convinced they exceed that standard more than the average private school. Not as long as they are employed by the government, and only have to meet the schools minimium requirements to stay employed, which we all know are low.

The public education system is far more better funded than the private school system, and should be much better than what it is, yet its not.

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Originally posted by Radagast Like I say, I don't study for tests.

Ok, so you dont study for your tests, you dont do your homework, yet you pass every course. Basically, all you have to do is listen in class to pass. Which means all testing was based on in-class lecturing.

When all I have to do is listen in class, I call it an easy ass course, though for egotistical reasons, most people wont admit that.

"I never studied for a single test in all of High School and I scored less than a C on probably less than 2% of all of them."

Then you went to an easy highschool. If you never studied, and never did homework, then the majority of all testing had to be based on in-class lecturing (that or you already knew everything before you took the the classes, but i highly doubt it). And as I said, if you can pass a course just off in-class lecture, its an easy course. So based on your quote above, you went to, in my opinion, an easy school.

As I said in my post above, where I attended, it was pretty much impossible to pass a course unless you did the homework, listened in class, and studied before the test. That goes for the students who were at the top of the class. I never met one brain at my school, who didnt bust his ass, and these are kids that moved up to ivy league education. Basically, the low percentage of our class would have been considered the high percentage at the nearby public high school. And you can only imagine how frustrating that is for private school students who are trying to get into major universities. Fortunately, standardized testing helps prevent the injustices, and is one reason why it exists.

I'm well aware of the educational system of the U.S. within itself and as compared to other countries, but I still think you're placing unwarranted emphasis on private schools being better schools.

And I still believe you're wrong in saying that I couldn't go to your high school and not do well without studying. The high school I went to had exceptionally high certification standards such that, say, a "B" in a normal college prep class was the equivalent of an "A" in a benchmark school. I don't know the exact conversion ratio as they never told us, but I do know that a 3.5 gpa from my high school was looked upon as being better than a 3.5 gpa from a standard high school. Add to this the fact that all my classes were honors and/or AP classes, and then consider that all the people in those classes went off to either a UC or a private Ivy League school.

I don't think you're in a position to tell me what I can and cannot do, especially if you don't know for sure what it is I am capable of. I'm not saying I'm a super genius, but I AM saying I find it a little demeaning (to say the least) when you tell me that I wouldn't be able to do well at your high school if I didn't bust my ass.

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Originally posted by Tranc3 I'm well aware of the educational system of the U.S. within itself and as compared to other countries, but I still think you're placing unwarranted emphasis on private schools being better schools. And I still believe you're wrong in saying that I couldn't go to your high school and not do well without studying. The high school I went to had exceptionally high certification standards such that, say, a "B" in a normal college prep class was the equivalent of an "A" in a benchmark school. I don't know the exact conversion ratio as they never told us, but I do know that a 3.5 gpa from my high school was looked upon as being better than a 3.5 gpa from a standard high school. Add to this the fact that all my classes were honors and/or AP classes, and then consider that all the people in those classes went off to either a UC or a private Ivy League school. I don't think you're in a position to tell me what I can and cannot do, especially if you don't know for sure what it is I am capable of. I'm not saying I'm a super genius, but I AM saying I find it a little demeaning (to say the least) when you tell me that I wouldn't be able to do well at your high school if I didn't bust my ass.

Can you please stop reading my posts towards radagast as posts towards you. The only argument going on between you and me, is the the public vs private school system. Not my private school vs your private school. How did you pull that out. He attended a public highschool, you went to a private, and he openly stated he never had to study, nor do homework to pass. Frankly, thats no way possible at the school I attended. In-class lecture covered maybe 25% of the material, and nothing more. Whether its possible at your private school or not, I could care less, thats not our argument. .

I have no idea what private school you went to, I have no idea what their requirements are, it could be the best and most challenging private school in the nation for all I know. I'm not arguing with you whether you'd be able to "hack it" or not. Why in the world would I argue which private school is better, I thought we both agreed, the argument between you and me, was private school vs public.

and then this:

My post:
"well, that is exactly what im doing. Placed low on math, high in english (as always). I'm still in fucking fundamental math."

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"I wouldn't go so far as to say that math is simple compared to english, or that english is simple compared to math. They're two different subjects, with (generally) different styles of thinking, although there is a good amount of crossover between the two."

I still can't figure how you pulled that out of what I said.

Frankly, all of its creeping me out. Dyslexia maybe? I cant figure it out.

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Originally posted by DiMethGuy studying is for people who dont pay attention in class. if you pay attention then you will know everything that will appear on a test, thus rendering studying useless.

Spoken like an undergrad.

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf Spoken like an undergrad.

i actually have a master's degree, kthxbye

Highschool was a joke compared to Uni... when we started uni we had a 10 day math course featuring all the math we had learned during the 3 years in HS. later an exam on top of that.

during HS I basically just listened during classes, like some ppl here. I got 18 out of 20 in average final grade when I graduated..

the only difference between the student body from private schools and the students at public schools (aside from the uniform) is that instead of smoking weed and skipping class, they�re doing lines in the bathrooms and having sex in the confessions booth! lol no seriously though, kids from private catholic high schools in Ft. Lauderdale/Miami are really obnoxious and the girls are usually notorious for being slutty and snobby. it�s like a real life Cruel Intensions...not ALL of them, but most of them, from my experience. I was involved with my church in 8th/9th grade because of my confirmation and all that, so I was friends with a lot of girls who were rich and snobby and went to private schools, and they were no better than the bitchy, slutty snobs at the public school I went to... and it was a good public school too. but that�s talking about the students...the education system, I�m sure is better and more advanced. but i mean, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink...so it depends on the student.

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Originally posted by SportTrance Ok, so you dont study for your tests, you dont do your homework, yet you pass every course. Basically, all you have to do is listen in class to pass. Which means all testing was based on in-class lecturing.

Not exactly, very often we were required to take in class notes or do in class assignments.

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When all I have to do is listen in class, I call it an easy ass course, though for egotistical reasons, most people wont admit that.

It doesn't matter what I called it, the general consensus among most other students was that the class was hard.

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Then you went to an easy highschool. If you never studied, and never did homework, then the majority of all testing had to be based on in-class lecturing

Most good teachers lecture(preferrably at length) about the subject they teach. I had a teacher that did nothing but read from the book and give assignments. She gave simple tests that were word for word questions from assignments we had had days before--often the previous day. She gave projects that were worth more than all test grades in the class combined. She would read out of the book for 10-15 minutes, give an assignment, then go play solitaire on her computer. That's what I call a bad teacher. Bitch even said I had a photographic memory when I suggested she make tests worth more. She was fired shortly after I left her class.

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And as I said, if you can pass a course just off in-class lecture, its an easy course. So based on your quote above, you went to, in my opinion, an easy school.

Neither the courses nor the school was easy, but tests have always been...no matter what school or class i'm in.

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As I said in my post above, where I attended, it was pretty much impossible to pass a course unless you did the homework, listened in class, and studied before the test. That goes for the students who were at the top of the class. I never met one brain at my school, who didnt bust his ass, and these are kids that moved up to ivy league education.

Well i'm sure you didn't meet everyone. I met many "brains" who "busted his/her ass". No doubt they will move up to ivy league education. They do their useless homework.

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Fortunately, standardized testing helps prevent the injustices, and is one reason why it exists.

Ah, standardized tests. I've never scored below 70th percentile even on my weak subjects, and always well above 90th on reading/language. I was once recommended for my schools GATE (gifted and talented education) program. Unfortunately I was kicked out once again for not living up to what was "expected" of me. As you might imagine, what was "expected" of me was, for the most part, to do my homework and projects. Test scores be damned.

I don't really see where your conjecture of schools is getting you anywhere, whatever the statistics say.

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Originally posted by keithos27 how can you possibly make a generalization like this? that is totally NOT the case in every class... some classe have just too much material to learn in just the time alloted for classes, thus making "studying" necessary for many. maybe in your 8th grade algebra, class, but not the case in many universities or post-graduate professional courses... -keith

i had to study for my 8th grade algebra class that shit was hard asshole.

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