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Posted by UWM on Oct-19-2004 14:10:

I haven't yet weighed in on this and I'm not going to bore you with my long, eloquent rhetoric on why I prefer certain trance DJs over the others so I'll keep it short and sweet.

PvD > AvB >>> Tiesto.


Just my opinion.





(Although I've had a consistently better time @ Armin's shows)


Edit - I've seen two good Tiesto performances: October, 2001 @ Quest (Minneapolis) and October, 2002 @ Vision. Ever since then, the performances I've witnessed have been significantly inferior and I reckon this trend will only continue.


Posted by _Nut_ on Oct-19-2004 16:32:

quote:
Originally posted by UWM
Edit - I've seen two good Tiesto performances: October, 2002 @ Vision.


Oh how I loved that night.....


Posted by everything0 on Oct-19-2004 17:08:

quote:
Originally posted by UWM

PvD > AvB >>> Tiesto.


insert ferry between AvB and tiesto


Posted by l�cid on Oct-19-2004 20:02:

quote:
Originally posted by everything0
insert ferry between AvB and tiesto

insert me between Ferry and Armin


































Posted by UWM on Oct-19-2004 20:11:

quote:
Originally posted by everything0
insert ferry between AvB and tiesto


I haven't seen him live so I have no basis for a proper opinion


Posted by ctprincess on Oct-19-2004 20:33:

quote:
Originally posted by l�cid
insert me between Ferry and Armin


and i thought i had a thing for the dutch dj's



and i think the only trance dj that i would pay to see is armin - neither pvd nor tiesto do anything for me - and its the way the dj looks that matters

i haven't seen ferry in about 2-3 years - may have to check him out the next time he's in chicago


Posted by neile on Oct-19-2004 22:17:

Drunk HAHAHAHAHAHA

[QUOTE]Originally posted by l�cid
insert me between Ferry and Armin

WOW I laughed out loud at work!!! AWESOME!


Posted by MichaelBoogerd! on Oct-21-2004 10:47:

fuck guys... its just music.

not some perfect spectral force like u seem to think it is.

treat it for what it is. treat them for what they are.

And agree - tiesto is far greater than fucking van boring.

djing isnt JUST bout making a perfect trancendentally built masterpiece.
it can be trainwrekced the hell.. so long as the energy is there.

Why go to a LIVE dj event if u expect perfect mixing from 6-7 hours of music ffs.


Posted by l�cid on Oct-21-2004 14:44:

quote:
Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd!
it can be trainwrekced the hell.. so long as the energy is there.

Why go to a LIVE dj event if u expect perfect mixing from 6-7 hours of music ffs.

i'm sorry, but what is a DJs job? to MIX MUSIC. anyone can get behind the decks and trainwreck hit after hit... does that mean the energy is good? does that all of a sudden make them a good DJ? no one wants to dance thru 6-7 hours of trainwrecks, unless they're on drugs.

it's not that tough, really. if a DJ can't beatmatch and create smooth transitions between songs, he/she should really think about a different career... like automotive sales.


Posted by snaf2k on Oct-21-2004 14:50:

Tiesto is overrated, Armin's style changed greately after this summer.


Posted by ctprincess on Oct-21-2004 16:13:

quote:
Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd!
fuck guys... its just music.

not some perfect spectral force like u seem to think it is.

treat it for what it is. treat them for what they are.

And agree - tiesto is far greater than fucking van boring.

djing isnt JUST bout making a perfect trancendentally built masterpiece.
it can be trainwrekced the hell.. so long as the energy is there.

Why go to a LIVE dj event if u expect perfect mixing from 6-7 hours of music ffs.

no wonder you like tiesto - he trainwrecks every couple of tracks


Posted by MichaelBoogerd! on Oct-21-2004 18:52:

where in my post did it say i go for trainwrecks? IMO its not about chasing perfection. If Tiesto fucks it up a few times mid-set... i'd prefer to see him for three hours over armin.
Why?
Cos of the energy and charisma Tiesto embues. THAT is also a part of Djing... ANYONE can beatmatch given the natural talent or the endless hours of practice.
No-one can take away style.

For that Armin is a weak second to everybody. Taking parts of everyone else's act and merging them is just a shit way of saying u ain't got ur own style.

One thing i'd admire from PvD (despite hating the sets) is that he's moved completely away from wishywashy shit armin fills his sets with. Tiesto plays similar tracks... and i'll always be a tiesto fan. Even if he quit tomorrow i wont suddenly jump on the Armin bandwagon like all u mofo's - whats the point. I get to see everything he does already at Tiesto shows.

So mixing seamlessly perfect sets for a whole 2 hour radio show every week is now the focus of becoming a good dj? Well - people need to see the big picture. Armin can come onto the stage intent on mixing 10 progressive records into one another for the crowds ultimate build up - and i'd give him a clap... just wake me up first.


Posted by suneel on Oct-22-2004 03:23:

its intresting to see diff views coming on diff djs. thats natural i guess. but what i wanted to say was when ur like comparing the top 10-15 djs, its never on their skills that ur comparing about. all these guys know how to beatmatch with perfection, seamlessly execute the pitch control/tempo, play with fx, produce their own music, remix tracks...etc, the list goes on. what makes one dj more popular is the public appeal he has.shows that are distributed over a wider geographic area, more is the dj awareness and hence the appeal. all of them work on the same fourmula. sometimes dj X hits the news and sometimes it maybe dj Y.
All of them have played music for a long time and know the tricks of the trade. sometimes more than u or me. Sometimes too long that they may even want to change their styles and experiment in new areas. and i think thats okay!
so to say that this dj sucked cause he played this music in this kind of way, or cause i was expecting this and he played in the other way, is really immature. try putting ur selves in their shoes and you begin to see a diff perspective.


Posted by Porky on Oct-22-2004 07:25:

quote:
Originally posted by _Nut_
Oh how I loved that night.....


sambo, remember when he dropped urban train that night? (the only time i heard him drop it)

WOW~!


Posted by MichaelBoogerd! on Oct-22-2004 16:35:

quote:
Originally posted by suneel
its intresting to see diff views coming on diff djs. thats natural i guess. but what i wanted to say was when ur like comparing the top 10-15 djs, its never on their skills that ur comparing about. all these guys know how to beatmatch with perfection, seamlessly execute the pitch control/tempo, play with fx, produce their own music, remix tracks...etc, the list goes on. what makes one dj more popular is the public appeal he has.shows that are distributed over a wider geographic area, more is the dj awareness and hence the appeal. all of them work on the same fourmula. sometimes dj X hits the news and sometimes it maybe dj Y.
All of them have played music for a long time and know the tricks of the trade. sometimes more than u or me. Sometimes too long that they may even want to change their styles and experiment in new areas. and i think thats okay!
so to say that this dj sucked cause he played this music in this kind of way, or cause i was expecting this and he played in the other way, is really immature. try putting ur selves in their shoes and you begin to see a diff perspective.


well said.


Posted by MichaelBoogerd! on Oct-22-2004 16:35:

quote:
Originally posted by suneel
its intresting to see diff views coming on diff djs. thats natural i guess. but what i wanted to say was when ur like comparing the top 10-15 djs, its never on their skills that ur comparing about. all these guys know how to beatmatch with perfection, seamlessly execute the pitch control/tempo, play with fx, produce their own music, remix tracks...etc, the list goes on. what makes one dj more popular is the public appeal he has.shows that are distributed over a wider geographic area, more is the dj awareness and hence the appeal. all of them work on the same fourmula. sometimes dj X hits the news and sometimes it maybe dj Y.
All of them have played music for a long time and know the tricks of the trade. sometimes more than u or me. Sometimes too long that they may even want to change their styles and experiment in new areas. and i think thats okay!
so to say that this dj sucked cause he played this music in this kind of way, or cause i was expecting this and he played in the other way, is really immature. try putting ur selves in their shoes and you begin to see a diff perspective.


well said.


Posted by UWM on Oct-22-2004 16:44:

quote:
Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd!
where in my post did it say i go for trainwrecks? IMO its not about chasing perfection. If Tiesto fucks it up a few times mid-set... i'd prefer to see him for three hours over armin.
Why?
Cos of the energy and charisma Tiesto embues. THAT is also a part of Djing... ANYONE can beatmatch given the natural talent or the endless hours of practice.
No-one can take away style.

For that Armin is a weak second to everybody. Taking parts of everyone else's act and merging them is just a shit way of saying u ain't got ur own style.

One thing i'd admire from PvD (despite hating the sets) is that he's moved completely away from wishywashy shit armin fills his sets with. Tiesto plays similar tracks... and i'll always be a tiesto fan. Even if he quit tomorrow i wont suddenly jump on the Armin bandwagon like all u mofo's - whats the point. I get to see everything he does already at Tiesto shows.

So mixing seamlessly perfect sets for a whole 2 hour radio show every week is now the focus of becoming a good dj? Well - people need to see the big picture. Armin can come onto the stage intent on mixing 10 progressive records into one another for the crowds ultimate build up - and i'd give him a clap... just wake me up first.


Perhaps performances you've seen vastly differ from the ones we've been privy to in Chicago, but Armin consistenly outperforms Tiesto, whether it be crowd interaction, mixing, track selection, etc...

And how can you accuse people of 'jump[ing] on the Armin bandwagon?' Some people's musical opinions / tastes progress over time, and some people hold on to the past.

.02


Posted by suneel on Oct-22-2004 18:47:

quote:
Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd!
well said.


thanks


Posted by DJ Ascent on Oct-22-2004 22:57:

I don't think any of these DJs even stand up to the greatest DJ of all: Goa Gil. This man provides the most spiritual music out there and has the past to prove it. Hes a guru in some Indian Guru council (I forget the name.) He also has amazing mixing skills, never trainwrecking anything and having a big picture in his how how to work his set which i think these DJs dont have as well. Go to one of his 2 day long sets and lose yourself in it, and youll be a changed person.


Posted by l�cid on Oct-22-2004 23:34:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Ascent
I don't think any of these DJs even stand up to the greatest DJ of all: Goa Gil. This man provides the most spiritual music out there and has the past to prove it. Hes a guru in some Indian Guru council (I forget the name.) He also has amazing mixing skills, never trainwrecking anything and having a big picture in his how how to work his set which i think these DJs dont have as well. Go to one of his 2 day long sets and lose yourself in it, and youll be a changed person.

so when's his next appearance in Chicago?


Posted by DREAMKAST on Oct-22-2004 23:39:

I REALLY LIKED TIESTO 2 YRS AGO AND I HAVE TO AGREE WHEN HE COMES TO THE STATES ITS LIKE HE DOESNT TRY THAT HARD BUT I ALSO HAVE TO AGREE THAT FERRY CAN ROCK THE CROWD I JUST SAW HIM HERE IN TX AND HE WAS INSANE ,BUT THE GUY THAT I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT IS JOHAN GIELEN HE WILL BE THE NEXT TRANCE MASTER


Posted by l�cid on Oct-23-2004 00:02:

quote:
Originally posted by DREAMKAST
I REALLY LIKED TIESTO 2 YRS AGO AND I HAVE TO AGREE WHEN HE COMES TO THE STATES ITS LIKE HE DOESNT TRY THAT HARD BUT I ALSO HAVE TO AGREE THAT FERRY CAN ROCK THE CROWD I JUST SAW HIM HERE IN TX AND HE WAS INSANE ,BUT THE GUY THAT I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT IS JOHAN GIELEN HE WILL BE THE NEXT TRANCE MASTER



HEY YOU. STOP SHOUTING.


Posted by suneel on Oct-23-2004 00:55:

quote:
Originally posted by l�cid


HEY YOU. STOP SHOUTING.


YEAH THATS RT !!


Posted by arecebo on Oct-23-2004 02:17:

quote:
Originally posted by Dave Piazza
The best party I have been by far was Tiesto - House of Blues 2003 ! If someone recorded this you must listen to it! MASSIVE

That was f#ckin insane !!

That is what really pushed me into becoming a Tiesto whore and what ultimetly led to my major dispppointment with him at his last performace here. He programmed the 2003 set beautifully. The energy was amazing. He moved around within styles gracefully. He went from dirty sticky floors to some booty shakin chicago style house music. He just was dropin massive track after massive track. He was just having so much fun as were we !! He was so enguaged with the crowd it was heart warming! Everyone was jumping around and dancin; the floor felt like it was going to collapse !! I will remeber that night forever.


Don't forget when he dropped Yahel - Voyage thanks to tom Definately one of the best tiesto shows ive witnessed!


Posted by ctprincess on Oct-23-2004 11:51:

i know that this shouldn't make a difference, but at least armin appreciates his fans - always signing stuff, taking pictures and coming to meet-up's to chit chat with the chicago TA's.

the last tiesto was in town he was more interested in the dj hoes by the booth (i was by the booth, but i am DEFINITELY NOT a dj hoe for those who know me - its just my spot ) and paying more attention to bad boy bill in the booth - there was no mixing - just slapping on a record. it seemed like tiesto was like "oh yeah - i am dj'ing so i have to at least appear to be doing something" and i don't think he stayed around to sign autographs etc.

i think that is why armin continues to endear himself to his fans and why his shows have continually grown in numbers to where this past weekend it was at capacity.


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