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Posted by JM on Oct-10-2001 06:14:

i personally dont like the tune...

it's just not doing it for me!!!!!

>JM<

Posted by Peter Campbell on Oct-10-2001 08:06:

Re: FLIGHT 643 is garbage

Posted by Bangitubastard on Oct-10-2001 10:22:

I think Flight 643 is a cracking tune.It mighten be everyones cup of tea but I know what I like and I think its a winner but its one of those tunes that when played over and over again it begins to loose its appeal.I reckon its still a winner!!!

Posted by tu_face on Oct-10-2001 10:42:

*ahem* may i point out that the hardcore clubbers on this forum (which i think there are quite a few of.. including myself) heard this MONTHS before its release... and i for one fell in love with the tune MONTHS before i knew it was called flight 643 or that it was by Tiesto.

If u had actually read the threads to do with this tune, u will have seen that there actually was a good split between ppl who liked it and ppl who disliked it. we dont all love it... that goes with pretty much every tune we mention on here (except a few).. so its not a question of being like sheep and liking it because its tiesto... its a matter of some of us liking it because its a good tune

a lot of ppl dislike this tune cuz they saw the name DJ Tiesto on the tune and expected uplifting tiesto trance.... instead they got a smack in the face with some pounding tech/prog trance.

Just the way i like it

Posted by Peter Campbell on Oct-10-2001 11:14:

quote:
Originally posted by tu_face
*ahem* may i point out that the hardcore clubbers on this forum (which i think there are quite a few of.. including myself)

Whats a being a hardcore clubber go to do with liking flight 643 anyway. I just find it plan boring

Posted by bachatu on Oct-10-2001 15:09:

This track is to be heard in a loud system like many progressive tracks. When it first came out I did not like it. However, it did grow on me like many progressive trance tunes. And personally, I did not like it because it was produced by Tiesto. I personally thought Tiesto was a little over-hyped when it came down to producing. Obviously you cannot chose tunes just by the producer's name... They are usually not that consistent at producing great tracks.

I have noticed that most people that have had negative comments about Flight 643 are those same people who have said that progressive sucks or is boring. This track is far from boring... Try driving a fast car that has a phat system and palying Flight 643 at full blast.

Posted by Synergy on Oct-10-2001 15:18:

I used to only like the Orkidea mix of Flight 643. I didnt like the others too much at all. That is until I heard them being mixed and played live at a party! It makes all the difference in the world

Posted by Crazy Serb on Oct-10-2001 15:28:

quote:
Originally posted by bachatu
Try driving a fast car that has a phat system and palying Flight 643 at full blast.

MUHAHAHAHAHA!

This is so fucken true... actually, try driving any car FAST and playing this song on a phat system, and then tell us you don't like the song!

Posted by Fundamental on Oct-10-2001 16:13:

I'm glad to see this tune has got so much support after this "FLIGHT 643 IS GARBAGE" thread started.

I think it's a good tune. Not us good as Urban Train, but this is much better than many songs out there right now.

Posted by MC Mlee Hee on Oct-10-2001 16:39:

quote:
Originally posted by Fire999
Yo Irish ******...hmm...if you think you made sense, think again...assumptions are the mother of all fuck-ups...you dumb tweet!

Irish phucker??? You ignorant little racist wanker. I quite enjoy being flamed but racists suck more than anything else. Come over to Ireland and say that right to an Irishmans face and you'll get your arse kicked so hard you won't be able to shit again. Go get yourself checked for aids you dirty little fuck because you might not have much time left to post.

About everyone else's respones. Yes I have heard it in a club and it makes no difference where you play it. It still sucks. There's no way it's progressive trance and DJ Tiesto trying to do progressive is a fucking disgrace. It's so sad he's bringing out garbage like this nowadays because Solange - Messages (DJ Tiesto & Ferry Corsten Mix) is one of my all time favorites and I adore Goldenscan - Sunrise (DJ Tiesto Mix). He can't do progressive and if he keeps churning out garbage like this his credibility will go right down.

Posted by djVersus on Oct-10-2001 17:07:

Re: FLIGHT 643 is garbage

quote:
Originally posted by MC Mlee Hee
I was looking through a thread about best tunes of the year and I kept seeing the stinking pile of crud that is DJ Tiesto - Flight 643 coming up.

That is absolutely ridiculous. That record is bullshit and you all know it. You all seem to think it's prog trance but it isn't because it doesn't go anywhere. It never even fucking changes, it's about as far from prog trance as you can possibly get. You guys probably don't even know what the word progressive means. Just because it doesn't sound like uplifting trance doesn't mean it's progressive for christs skae.

I've come to the conclusion you've all brainwashed yourselfs into liking this record because it's by Tiesto. If this was stuck at the back of an ATB album you'd all be pissing yourselfs laughing at it but just because DJ Tiesto made it you've all decided that it's good. For one thing if you truly love trance you wouldn't care who produces az track you like. If a top producer makes a piece of poop like this then you should be REALLY DISSAPOINTED. You shouldn't think 'oh no, I have to be like everybody else and love everything tiesto does'. Pulsedriver makes better quality music than this. The thing is garbage and you people are just making your self like because it has the word Tiesto on it. If a packet of crisps has the name of a kiddie cartoon all the kids who like it will go out and buy it. That's just what you're being like over this. Grow up and recognise good music. Don't come up with any bullshit that it sounds great in a club because quite simply it doesn't sound any different if you're playing it at the top of a hill.

Feel free to flame me as much as you want.

Your much loved Irish friend, MC Mlee hee

Bye

first of all, you should never get into dj'ing or music cuz you got deaf, ignorant ears. You don't know jack about trance music. One of the most important skills a dj should have is to destinguish unique, fresh tunes that shape the world of trance. Flight 643 is one of them and yet, you don't realize it.

One of the most original, unique trance tunes of all time hits you in the face and you don't see it.

and what do u mean it doesn't go anywhere? it goes to more places than most progressive styled tunes out there.

Right after the breakdown, that's where the I's get dotted and the T's get crossed. That's where you feel a sense of statisfaction. And once you feel a sense of satisfaction, it has taken you where it suppose to take you.

It may not appeal to some people, but you should at least realize the importance of this tune. One key ingredient to an effective progressive styled tune is "un-anticipated satisfaction" and this "flight 643" is just that.

you ignorant fu(k!

Posted by DJ Rob Noli on Oct-11-2001 07:33:

I'm finishing this thread.

The only problem here Mlee Hee is that your trying to tell us fact. Your entitled to your opinion, but don't start talking like you are the god of music...like you know everything and your opinion is the only one that matters. If you don't like the song, fine. Doesn't mean you have to flame the producer and get pissed at people who flame you (although the Irish Phucker remark was out of line).

There are ALOT of tunes that people think are "AMAZING" that I personally can't stand...but my opinion is my opinion, I don't go telling people what they should or shouldn't like. Alot of my friends listen to Hip hop, or Euro-Dance, which I think is mostly total crap, but I don't tell them they shouldn't like it.

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The thing is garbage and you people are just making your self like because it has the word Tiesto on it.

Really? And you know this for a fact? Uh-huh, thats right, I love everything with a big producer's name on it, thats why my second post on this board was a thread about how dissapointed I am in Ferry Corsten lately. Since Needlejuice and Dance Valley Theme were such great productions in my opinion (SARCASM). Dammit, I wish I could know everything about everyone, to know how and what they think about everything.

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For one thing if you truly love trance you wouldn't care who produces az track you like.

DAMN RIGHT! When I found out about Hibernate (http://www.mp3.com/hibernate) through MP3.com, I started telling people about them, because I loved their song Mane Sonitus...they are 2 independent guys from Toronto (REPRESENT) and I bought the Advent EP...AND GUESS WHAT...2 months after I buy the album, who plays "Mane Sonitus" on an ID&T Radio broadcast? Hmmmmmm maybe Armin Van Buuren, my favorite DJ/Producer? So what does that say? Does it say I have good taste in music or that I don't care who produces a track as long as it is quality? I think it says both. So tell me now who is brainwashed?

Your coming off like you know it all, and this is why your getting such offensive posts.

quote:
Just because it doesn't sound like uplifting trance doesn't mean it's progressive for christs skae.

What does that have to do with anything...classify the track however you want, its still a good tune in my opinion.

AND, oddly enough, this track was based on Tiesto's remix of Coast 2 Coast - Home, which SUCKED in my opinion. Or it might have been vice versa, but anyways, he took alot of the samples from the remix and put together a quality tune, in my opinion.

I'm not trying to offend you, but merely point out why I think you got such nasty response and maybe to explain how your post could have not tried to tell people something but merely offered opinion, as there are no facts when one states opinion.

Peace.

Posted by tu_face on Oct-11-2001 10:51:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Pete

Whats a being a hardcore clubber go to do with liking flight 643 anyway...

u didnt really read my post did u? my point was those of us who go out nearly evry weekend prolly heard it miles before we knew it was a tiesto tune... thus disproving the sheep theory. ppl only started bein sheep when it was labeled with tiesto's name. i for one was goin mad to this in february.. not knowing the producer or the name of the tune

Posted by Jukx on Oct-11-2001 11:22:

*Sigh*

2 Reasons for people thinking this track is a piece of shit and should end in the toilet :

1. You have such a bad taste and you are afraid for every form of electronic music that isn't Uplifting Trance. "Hey, where are the happy melodies? It is so boring, uninspired and repetitve!" <-----PATHETIC!!! *puke*
C'mon, some people can be sooo narrow-minded!

2. You didn't hear this track in a club, coz if so it would certainly change your opinion.

Posted by Miss Proximus on Oct-11-2001 13:04:

/me raises hand...."can I say smth?"

I used to like flight 643, but I've heard it too many times now and it kinda gets boring

Posted by E.Sv on Oct-11-2001 13:19:

It was a good experiment by Tiesto, but it is not garbage at all. I just can't explain it absolutely, but there is someting in this track

Posted by MC Mlee Hee on Oct-11-2001 14:21:

quote:
Originally posted by Jukx
*Sigh*

2 Reasons for people thinking this track is a piece of shit and should end in the toilet :

1. You have such a bad taste and you are afraid for every form of electronic music that isn't Uplifting Trance. "Hey, where are the happy melodies? It is so boring, uninspired and repetitve!" <-----PATHETIC!!! *puke*
C'mon, some people can be sooo narrow-minded!

2. You didn't hear this track in a club, coz if so it would certainly change your opinion.

Get your facts straight.

My favorite style is progressive and I do not care for most uplifting trance. This is why this piece of crap annoys me because it is NOT Porgressive and I'll say it again I have heard it in a club and it makes no difference no matter where you play it. A good progressive track is Junkie XL - Check Your Basic Groove (Sander Kleinenberg Mix).
And I know a lot about other styles of music behind trance so i think my opinion holds some value.

Waiting for more flames to come. And before you call me ignorant and immature I'm 26 years old.

Posted by tu_face on Oct-11-2001 15:17:

quote:
Originally posted by MC Mlee Hee

Get your facts straight.

My favorite style is progressive and I do not care for most uplifting trance. This is why this piece of crap annoys me because it is NOT Porgressive and I'll say it again I have heard it in a club and it makes no difference no matter where you play it. A good progressive track is Junkie XL - Check Your Basic Groove (Sander Kleinenberg Mix).
And I know a lot about other styles of music behind trance so i think my opinion holds some value.

Waiting for more flames to come. And before you call me ignorant and immature I'm 26 years old.

can i just point out (without flaming) that you are the one being so hostile against anyone elses point of veiw... youve said ur veiw.. u dont like it... i do... so what.

And by the way.. im well into prog (thus my status being proGaddict) and i have been for a long enough amount of time for me to say that 643 has got some prog influences.. it isnt out & out prog.. no-one really sed that. i would call it tech/prog.

Another thing... of course it matters if u hear it in a club or not. in my veiw you simply cant get the full effect of the tune unless u live it in a suitable atmosphere.. thus club. for example... i hated the physical mix of joyenergizer at first... i heard it @ GC and bang, im hooked, because i can remember how that track pounded the bass thru my veins in the club, i can respect it out the club.

none of this is flaming. except this little bit because i am going to call u ignorant and immature. because u say ur own point of veiw, cant take on anyone elses, then spit flames when someone tries to say something different to what you said. so you may as well be 14 mate...

peace

Posted by DJ Teknique on Oct-11-2001 17:43:

dood i like flight 643, just because u think its shit doesn't mean everyone else should...a choice of music is each persons opinion so don't think that just because it repeats all over again it sucks.

Posted by bluE_Neon on Oct-11-2001 18:19:

track is garbage and ive heard it a lot of times, just doens't fit proggressive...Tiesto isn't a progressive dj, therefore wats da point of creating a progressive track if u dont know how 2...just stick 2 ur style i dont wanna make ne quotes, B E C A U S E it's T I E S T O and TA is full of Tiesto freaks i see all of dis ppl defending him and shit...so wat? Tiesto is good, but not a GOD...i lot of ppl on dis thread say dat it's progressive, fuck i dont care, it will never be a proggie tune, and dats it

Posted by Essential1 on Oct-11-2001 20:41:

(This is DJ Rob Noli @ My buddy's house)

Lots of DJ's experiment around, its a healthy experience, they should not just stick to one style. Does this mean Tiesto shouldn't play CJ Bolland - The Prophet, because its not uplifting? NO way. A Good DJ Can blend a set and program it properly to make the trance compliment ech other.

Personally hearing this track in a club makes no difference to me, it sounds good in my headphones, in the car, and on the speakers.

Depends on your definition of progressive as well. Theres progressive trance and progressive house. Tarentella - Karma is progressive HOUSE to me. 5 Below 0 - Club Quake (Oliver Klein Remix) is progressive TRANCE. Really, too much emphasis is being spent on classifying the tune. Whatever you want to call it, I still like it.

quote:
And before you call me ignorant and immature I'm 26 years old.

Dude, you could be 45 years old, telling people WHAT to think and telling them WHY they think something is being ignorant.

Peace.

Posted by vkapartz on Oct-11-2001 21:22:

quote:
Originally posted by djVersus

first of all, you should never get into dj'ing or music cuz you got deaf, ignorant ears. You don't know jack about trance music. One of the most important skills a dj should have is to destinguish unique, fresh tunes that shape the world of trance. Flight 643 is one of them and yet, you don't realize it.

One of the most original, unique trance tunes of all time hits you in the face and you don't see it.

OK, this is a me-too post but I have to say it: I couldn't agree with you more, m8

--
Vaggelis

Posted by Pjotr G on Oct-12-2001 08:28:

Why does someone who doesn't like it "know jack about trance" that's just stupid. Tastes differ and that's a fact. What is there to know about trance that's important. Nothing. All that's important is whether you feel it or not.
On a sidenote, i love flight 643 and i don't give a rats ass whether it's trance, Rn B, Hiphop or Progressive... (i classify it as progressive tho )

Posted by DJ Firestarter on Oct-12-2001 14:28:

Its not "garbage".Its a bit boring.Nothing special

Posted by Nautica on Oct-12-2001 21:38:

quote:
Originally posted by bachatu
This track is far from boring... Try driving a fast car that has a phat system and palying Flight 643 at full blast.

Oh yes...

Who care's what it is? Progressive, not progressive.

It makes no odds what 'genre' it is. It's Tiesto. It's different.

If you don't like it, then don't like it.

Simple as that. Opinion.

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